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Offline Bennyboy

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #405 on: December 30, 2008, 03:04:24 PM »
@newton2

Fair enough then....at least it's not a randomly generated response (I think).

What nationality are you mate, as Broli says, your vocab is very unusual.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #406 on: December 30, 2008, 05:24:39 PM »
41 pages later, and no proof for the OU by this "effect"? Why is it so obvious?

A happy New Year to all the people!
Let's get the OU next year...
Cheers!

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #407 on: January 02, 2009, 01:40:48 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles
and The Honoured Administrator
of This The Honourable OVER-UNITY-Forum !!

And my especial kind formal Greetings to the
Honoured Profiles : Broli ,  Benny Boy ,   Spinner !
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************YES, to should perform a linguistical "Balancing-Act" between :

##neutrally formulated in-passionate Science-Wordings
and
##NOT to UNveal too much  (yet)
and
##even further to should also "make easier" for Softwares-Languages-Translators
and
##to keep on the "Jolly ENcouraging Moodes"  in-here The OVER-UNITY-Forum.....
and etc , etc.....!

I "just" write per a few Main-Points of PRE-Rough-Sketches..........
using "Schoolars-learned"-Standard-English........!!
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YES.......now p.t. THÉ Page 41...........of this interesting important continued
going-on Replies Discussions Rounds founded on the original Page 1 Topic´s
Method´s Idea.......!!

YES........with kind References to The Original Page 1 Topic and to The Honoured Administrator´s Comments...........
 IF a Regulary Shaped "common" "short" Solenoides-Coil is "applied" for
"making" H-influenses into the 2 pcs of mu-r-rods........
mutually located fairly CLOSE to each other and "parallel"........
then "should" the 2 pcs mu-r-rods mutually "push" away per H-influensed "Same-Signs-H-poles"
.......following the P1-Method´s Idea , though to use a COIL instead of a nearby Permanent Magnetes to "act" on the 2 pcs mu-r-rods.-............THOUGH HOW THÉN
ABOUT THE INDUCED-H-fields-Alterings as "BACK"
 into the COIL (roughly brief populary spoken.......)............

And "HERE" I have to kindly "quit" for further in details-explaning => for NOT to UNveal.........

Though still to kindly hint about :

==>> THE IMPORTANCE OF "CHOOSING"  APPROPRIATE  MOVEMENTS-TRAJECTORIES-
==>> PATHS for The 2 pcs of H-influensed mu-r-Rods...........
==>> WITH ESPECIALLY DEFINED CRITERIAS AS FOR  XXXXXXXXXXX.......!!

YES......by having a "Coil" ACTING ON the 2 pcs mu-r-Rods ,
THÉN such an OU-Methods-Idea might FUNCTION......(I frankly know because of since Y-DEcades ago Self to have demonstrated about.....!!)

Well-then.......a rather OTHERWISELY BASICALLY FOUNDED PROBLEM of Smots and P1-Topic´s Idea is about ,
 IF-WHEN to would "use" ALL-MAGNETO-STATICS  Permanent-Magnetes for H-influensing
on the 2 pcs mu-r-Rods.......
(Such a Situation might to a surden "Point" be equivalently evaluated per NOT to would "realize" as H-Poles ,
though instead of  Q-Charges and Masses allocated "in" Positions of "H-poles"......as kept "positioned" per Forces-neutral "Rigid Pins"..........
though such otherwise Evaluations might just be TOO Theoretical.......!!.....)
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YES......there are the p.t.-"Our-Times" available numbes of Science/Technics related Words and wordings PLUS Standard-Linguistical Grammars to  could "use" for "explaining in only per Words-Sentences".........

"Fast Made" Drawings on Chalk-Boards ...etc.........might somehow "EN-litten" the WHOLE of Evaluations-"Po-IN-tes" & Aspects........THOUGH INDEED ALSO UN-VEAL about OU-Methods-Ideas.........!!

Allthough i have NOT The Standard-English Language as my First Original Learned Language,
THÉN still "close" in Grammars and Basical Words/Wordings to Standard-English.....etc.....
and I also formulate myself/my "Explanations" if in my "Original Language"=>as "same" as in Standard-English........FOR MUCH OF EXPLANATIVE INFORMATIONS TO SHOULD INCORPORATE INTO LINGUISTICALLY PERFORMED COMPRESSED DENSE FEW NUMBERS OF SENTENCES   !.....
for Who has got Time for Small-Talkings !!........
"Little" or rather indeed much of "Confusions" would be involved if I should attempt "applying" p.t. Sorts of Languages Translators.......!!

Though if somehow......SomeOne Should So Want : THAT I SHOULD WRITE IN SOCALLED CORRECT CANCELLIES WORDINGS & SENTENCES-"FORMINGS".......THÉN O.K........!!

THOUGH THÉN WITHOUT ANY "MEANING" TO THE INNERMOST CORPUS OF THE HONOURABLE COURSE OF OU.....!!

OF COURSE MY "PERSONALLY" APPEARING PERSON IS OF NO REAL IMPORTANCE
COMPARED TO THE  GLORY COURSE OF OU.....!!

I HAVE BEEN DELAYED IN MAKING SOME ELEMENTARY SKETCHES ABOUT SOME ASPECTS OF i.e. OU...........to attach to my Replies.............
though at least I "will" use my Profiles-Photo for a few Days on as meant for depicting "some" Various Technics .....and "some" of  "a-little" of subtle Humors.......!!

My very Person is UN-interesting  UN-important in Aspect of
THE BIG CHALLENGE OF OBTAINING TRUE RELIABLE OU.....
now as in the Y 2009...
and as soon as possible......!!

And THEREFORE I am "glad" about the Possibility of having my nearly-fairly-Anonymous
Profile "here" in OVER-UNITY-Forum.....!!

FOR NOT TO FILL MY REPLIES WITH USE-LESS WORDINGS FURTHER-ON ,
THÉN I KINDLY WROTE FOR A FURTHER OF [ Last Time ]  SUCH
ARRAYS OF NOT-so-OU-related Wordings..........in some Kind of Standard-English.....though....!!
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WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day & a pleasant Winter &
Benefits from Your various many hardlabored Doings !

       And my Thanks about Your All important interesting Contributions to
                                   AND
               Your All idealistical Participations in

           THE  HONOURABLE  COURSE  OF  OU   !
     
                                   AND

     GAINING MORE OF RELIABLE KNOWLEDGES TO THE MANKIND  !

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #407 on: January 02, 2009, 01:40:48 PM »
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Offline newton2

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #408 on: January 03, 2009, 01:15:23 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles
and The Honoured Administrator
of This The Honourable OVER-UNITY-Forum  !

Might I kindly briefly just mention a "little" about :

************ "Why"/"HOW"-in-fact might a socalled Class-I-closed-Ring-Cores-Transformer
per Elder-Times "Soft-Irons"-mu-r-lamelles-core
and having the Secondary as CLOSED wound "on" the Primary
"even" be "usable" for Audio-Frequencies "Transforming".............
"even" STILL also might for some Elder Transformers also "perform" for
"transforming" on frequencies more than/to some app. 20,000->30,000 Cps frequential Ratings.....!!

!!  ==>> THE  SIGNIFICANT CIRCUMSTANCE ABOUT  CLOSE-nearly-to-100%-H-fields-Couplings
between such CLASS-I-Transformers CLOSELY WOUND to Each-Other of PRIMARY to  SECONDARY as "beseen" "if" as "air-cores"-Primary-Secondary........!! <<==  !!

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Well-Then.......THÉN "WHY/HOW"-about "looser" H-fields-fluxes-couplings some "lesser" than 100 %,
more "lesser" than 100 % , etc......if "beseen" as "air-cored"............
if "beseen" as "some" mu-r-materials ALSO appearing CLOSE to "air-cored"-Coils........
if "beseen" as "some" mu-r-materials placed "some" through the "NO-longer-air-cored" Coils´s
Inner-Areas.......etc....etc....!!

Such might perhaps at "easiest" be introductively emperically performed by "Manually-Moving" some mu-r-materials close to/through "Wide Diametres"-Coils/Coils-Systems.......
though of course also might be theorized about per complex Assumptions Calculations about
H-fields when having both mu-r-Materials and Coils.......!!
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If deadlines "allow"-for , THÉN perhaps just a little Text some Day some Place in Some Internet-Forum about : The suggested Circumstances of Elder Electronics Vacuum Tubes Audio Sounds...!!
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WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day & Weekend and pleasant Winter ;
have Yourselves a Profitable New Year of Benefits from Your various many hardlabored Doings !

Thanks about Your All of Idealistical important Contributions to
The Honourable Course of OU !

Have Yourselves Fruitfull Interesting Experimental & Theoretical Results !

 

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #409 on: January 05, 2009, 10:05:55 AM »
Hey everyone...

I'm not sure why this thread is drying up like it is, this is a fascinating discovery.  Is there anyway this would work?  As you can see in this top-view picture, if you have a rotor (the 'cross' shaped object) and the stator (the ring of plate sections), would the rotor spin fairly freely because the magnets are never leaving the steel, thus no 'wanting to stick' to it effect?

http://nullium.fileave.com/ou.jpg

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #410 on: January 05, 2009, 06:14:49 PM »
Where's the asymmetric "pull" in that picture, that would be required to make it turn, and keep turning?
It is clearly what we call a "non-starter".
 :D

(But don't believe me, PROVE ME WRONG, I'm the Evil Skeptic, who single-handedly prevents Magnet Motors and Gravity Wheels and Buoyancy Drives from freeing the world from the Tyranny of Oil.  Just go ahead and buy some magnets, hire a machinist, build it yourself. Doesn't "quite" work yet? Well, maybe a few more magnets, or bigger, or shielding, or a strategically-placed electromagnet will get it going--just keep changing the design, buying more magnets and eventually you'll understand a subtle fact:
just why this thread, and so many others like it, have dried up: Magnetism is conservative, and so is gravity; you get out what you put in, minus losses.)

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #411 on: January 05, 2009, 06:43:27 PM »
Hey everyone...

I'm not sure why this thread is drying up like it is, this is a fascinating discovery.  Is there anyway this would work?  As you can see in this top-view picture, if you have a rotor (the 'cross' shaped object) and the stator (the ring of plate sections), would the rotor spin fairly freely because the magnets are never leaving the steel, thus no 'wanting to stick' to it effect?

http://nullium.fileave.com/ou.jpg


I guess in this configuration the forces would cancel each other out.

The iron cores really must repell each other and MOVE to do the work.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #412 on: January 05, 2009, 08:03:01 PM »
I see what you are saying Stephan. If the areas where the flux are going through (the blue areas) are where the expanded plates are, could one attach some kind of drive thing on each set of plates to push the rotor (the x looking thing) around?

http://nullium.fileave.com/ou.jpg

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #413 on: January 05, 2009, 08:11:04 PM »
Where's the asymmetric "pull" in that picture, that would be required to make it turn, and keep turning?
It is clearly what we call a "non-starter".
 :D

(But don't believe me, PROVE ME WRONG, I'm the Evil Skeptic, who single-handedly prevents Magnet Motors and Gravity Wheels and Buoyancy Drives from freeing the world from the Tyranny of Oil.  Just go ahead and buy some magnets, hire a machinist, build it yourself. Doesn't "quite" work yet? Well, maybe a few more magnets, or bigger, or shielding, or a strategically-placed electromagnet will get it going--just keep changing the design, buying more magnets and eventually you'll understand a subtle fact:
just why this thread, and so many others like it, have dried up: Magnetism is conservative, and so is gravity; you get out what you put in, minus losses.)

Haha, I completely understand that gravity and magnetism are conservative, and it drives me crazy how if you try to get something to go in one area, energy is somehow conserved in another spot...  I found this out with Wankel designs, so I know what you're talking about...

The diagram is very bad, the mechanism that "pulls" (pushes in this design) is actually the ring-like STATOR structure in this:

http://nullium.fileave.com/ou.jpg

Each set of stacked plates in the blue area are going to push a rod up, and each set of plates set on a crankshaft or something are going to keep it going...  :P  (yeah right)  I was just wondering if since my experiments show that the magnets obviously want to stick to the steel plates when trying to pull the magnets away from them, if you could just always have the magnets in the same amount of steel plates around them, so this stick won't occur, allowing the magnet ROTOR (the cross thing) to spin freely...  God I need a good 3D diagram...  :P

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #414 on: January 06, 2009, 01:27:59 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles
and The Honoured Administrator
of This The Honourable OVER-UNITY-Forum  !

And my especially meant : HELLO to the most recently
written REPLIES of the Honoured Profiles....from The
Blainiac ,
Hartiberlin / Administrator ,
Tinselkoala

Might I kindly briefly and mostly meant as an in-passionate Science/Technics Words-Line
then just write about :

==>> The very "Definition" of :
==>>
==>> CONSERVATIVE  FORCE-FIELD
==>> suggested as a "Suitable Users Definition"  in Classical Mechanics is NOT.......NOT  !!.....
==>> ............
==>> reliably founded , though just "POSTULATED" ;
==>> in Elder Physics-Litteratures/Theses then the socalled Classical H-Magnetical-Field is
==>> "TERMED" as to be : 
==>>  NON-Conservative in "Its Properties" .........
==>>  with formal Reference -->> to i.e.  CLOSED-PATHS-LOOP-INTEGRAL-"over"-
==>> [ H-force acting on a socalled H-Pole as moved in Close-Loops-Paths in a H-Force-Lines-
==>> Field.... ]...!!
==>> (most briefly explanatively written though.......for a little-more-complex) 

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(And also as an in-passionate CO-notice : The Relativistical Theories "should" indeed make many
  "Possible" Methods for OU , IF-THOUGH-ELSE THe Relativistical Theories "ARE" so "TRUE" and "once-for-all"-Proven .........though The Relativistical Theories are NOT so "reliable" nor "usable"..
instead of Founding Methods for OU and for SPACE-DRIVE , then ONLY "generate" LOTS of "PRIZES" and "Degrees"......!!) 
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I have been most busy to fulfill my Science/Technics Results , so thus delayed :

In soon Time I will kindly "attach" a rough handmade Sketch about :
Classical H-fields-lines if in "Free Space" ......;
 and if when located mu-r-objects are .......etc....etc....!!
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WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and a pleasant Winter and
 Y 2009 HAS TO BE THE YEAR OF PUBLIC-ANNOUNCING ABOUT OU-METHODS.....!!
ULTIMO MOMENTO.....!
For if NOT , THÈN ELSE several Generations´s Persons´s Hardlabored Workings for researching
for OU  WILL BE LOST.......!!

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #415 on: January 06, 2009, 04:49:21 PM »
Hello, newton2!
I read all your posts very carefully, because I am of the opinion that you are one of the true brilliant jewels in this dark mineshaft of ideas. Sometimes it's a bit hard to decode what you are saying but it is always worthwhile to make the effort to understand you.
I agree--there are certain situations where the fields we normally consider to be "conservative" may, and I emphasize, MAY, be "tricked" in order to yield positive work from a closed integral. But the conditions necessary to work this trick are going to be difficult to achieve, and probably involve extremely high electric (or maybe magnetic or gravitic) scalar field strengths and steep vector gradients.
In the meanwhile, certain well-travelled paths in milder territories are known to lead to more-or-less costly dead ends, which is why it pays to attend to one's homework before hitting the drawing board.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #416 on: January 06, 2009, 05:22:19 PM »
TK if you can't do it don't think it's impossible or even difficult.The solutions are simple when we see the answers. Myself I'm starting to lean less on the gravity wheel side. Sure it would be something to have a runner, but it will have to be rather big if you plan on energy production. This is why I'm leaning more heavily on electro magnetic systems. My true goal is to find and replicate what Tesla has found in his labs 100 years ago.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #417 on: January 13, 2009, 02:22:12 AM »
Has anyone here heard from Butch lately?  Considering that he started this thread, his absence is getting noticeable.
It would be be nice to hear from him, even if just to say hello.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #418 on: January 13, 2009, 02:40:10 AM »
Has anyone here heard from Butch lately?  Considering that he started this thread, his absence is getting noticeable.
It would be be nice to hear from him, even if just to say hello.

He said he was applying for a patent. I wished him well and that was the last I expected to hear from him.

Either he realized trying to make use of a supposed gradient was a mistake or he did discover something useful. Either way, I expected that would be the end.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #419 on: January 13, 2009, 03:29:20 AM »
TK if you can't do it don't think it's impossible or even difficult.The solutions are simple when we see the answers. Myself I'm starting to lean less on the gravity wheel side. Sure it would be something to have a runner, but it will have to be rather big if you plan on energy production. This is why I'm leaning more heavily on electro magnetic systems. My true goal is to find and replicate what Tesla has found in his labs 100 years ago.

I agree mostly. That's why I am always careful to say that just because I couldn't replicate or produce an effect, doesn't mean it isn't there. And that's also why I try to get people to specify their hypotheses very well--define constructs, make predictions that are testable, and so forth. If a well designed experiment to test a well-posed hypothesis gives a null result, over and over, then we can "take a hint" and move on. On the other hand, if the effect is produced, and can be shown to be a result of an "ordinary" that is conventional physical cause, that's also an important result. Systems that, out of the starting gate, must violate known physical laws and principles in order to function as planned, shouldn't be allowed to distract creative and energetic researchers by enticing them down garden paths that are well-travelled and lead nowhere.

 

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