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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 192036 times)

Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #360 on: November 24, 2008, 02:32:20 AM »
Dear Butch

can I use principle from you discovery for build my own magnetic motor, of course different from your?

Thanks
Gpezzella,
Which principle are you talking about?
Butch

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #361 on: November 24, 2008, 10:10:03 AM »
Dear Butch

the one descived from you in this forum, the iron disks that under magnetic field separe itself.
If I have understand well this principle was already know but never used.
Thanks

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #362 on: November 24, 2008, 02:06:38 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles
and
THe Honoured Administrator
of This The Honourable OVER-UNITY-Forum  !!

This Continued Discussion is about a strictly SMOT-alike Magneto-Statical-
OU......yes.......
PARDON about my interferences per my Replies.......
for my Replies hardly are mentioning strictly about SMOTS......
though tempting to would write about some quite other OU-Circumstances than SMOTS....
because of This Continued Discussion being the "Hot-News-promoted" Discussion per the
Original Topic (on p 1 )..............!!

Might I kindly briefly just mention per some selected wordings about :

************The Importance of the RESIDUAL H-magnetical-Field from
the "Short-solenoides-Air-core"-Coil
if-when a socalled "regulary Shapes Ring" of mu-r-
permeabilities-material is "placed" "through-outly-filling" the
inner-space of the Coil.....!!

THÉN per involving the MOST-DIFFICULT-to-would-screen-out-balancing-
the-Solenoidal-Coil´s-H-field per mu-r-permeabilities-Materials-CIRCUMSTANCE/
PROBLEMATICS
is THÚS rather "CLEARLY" to should THÉN NOT just apply
the commonly "accepted"  "Rule" most often "found" in
both Practical-Physics-Theorizings and in Technics :
>> To would evaluate the Situation of Coils placed on
>> mu-r-permeabilities-materials as "Maths-equal"-in-Maths-Formalism
>> to electrical-currents/voltages-ohmical-Networks...........

In SHORT-FORM :
it is MOST difficult to would OUT-BALANCE
the "Air-core´s-H-field" from a common short-length-regulary-Shapes-
Solenoide"
per just applying some various mu-r-permeabilities-materials as
"done" in "Commercials Manufactured Power-Transformers"........

....though-though : the REGULARY SHAPES-TOROIDAL-coil........
THEN COMPARED TO A SHORTLY-LENGTHED SOLENOIDE (as often used
in commercial power-transformers.....................

"And most retorically spoken" :
might THEN the "cosed" ohmical-electrical-Networks-only-as-SUGGESTED-Pendant
to evaluate about "H-fields-in-mu-r-permeabilities-materials"-caused by an "Air-cored-
toroide"  HERE BY "USED".........
i.e. when "dealing" with an EXTERIOR H-field to should interfere with a TOROIDE wound
in regular "Pitch-Form" on a TOROIDAL HOMOGENOUOS Mu-R-Permeabilities-Shape/"Ring"....

PERHAPS STILL NEITHER JUST AS "EASY" TO WOULD "DO" TO EVALUATE......
for EXTERIOR-H-field causes separate H-INFLUENSES- SPACES in The Toroides-Ring
.........then allthough Windings are mutually-serially-electrically-connected ,
then STILL also are involved Circumstances of THAT Windings "having" Exterior H-fields-.
gradientes as "perpendiculary"-Right-on-mu-r-permeabilities-Surface (a kind of Boundary-circumstance of Magnetical Materials) compared to the in fact becoming-to-be H-influensed parts of the Toroidal-Rings-Material........!!

Allthough "Close" Evaluations-Theories might be applied to such Situations ,
then EMPERICALLY PERFORMED MEASUREMENTS per small-SMD-cased
Hall-Elements might really "DO" to evaluate about the "free-spatial-H-fields"......!!

These my few wordings are mere PRE-introductive Wordings to such Problematics.......

for REALLY lots of Wordings & Maths might have to be involved.........!!

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WKR & have yourselves a nice Day and Labouring Week and a pleasant
Early Winter and For Whom It might be relevant : Merry Xmas 2008 & Happy NewYear 2009 !!

And my THANKS to Your All for Your various important interesting Contributions to
THe Honourable Course of OU  !!   

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #362 on: November 24, 2008, 02:06:38 PM »
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Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #363 on: November 24, 2008, 09:35:35 PM »
Dear Butch

the one descived from you in this forum, the iron disks that under magnetic field separe itself.
If I have understand well this principle was already know but never used.
Thanks
Build your machine, if it works give it to the world.
Butch

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #364 on: November 25, 2008, 08:47:37 AM »
dear butch
you are a great man!
thanks

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #364 on: November 25, 2008, 08:47:37 AM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #365 on: November 25, 2008, 01:15:54 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles
and
The Honoured Administrator
of This The Honourable OVER-UNITY-Forum  !!

Might I kindly briefly in a few sentences just mention about :

**********IF-WHEN a socalled SMOT/SMOTS-Actions-alike Device should be
attempted to become PATENTED and/or REGISTERED.......
THÉN there at least is this problematical Circumstance :

The PROPERTIES of the mu-r-permeabilities-materials
should be SO CLOSELY CORRECTLY DEFINED.......
and also MATHS plus PHYSICS-THEORIZINGS might "well"
indeed have to be INCORPORATED in such "Patents/Registerings"-Attempts...!!

And THÉN furthermore should be INCORPORATED
the "delicate-sensitive"   Adjustments-Procedures
plus "Tolerances for GO/NO-GO"
of such SMOTS like the INTERESTING INGENIOUS
WELL-THOUGHT Idea of this original Topic (page 1)//
this continued HOT-NEWS-going-on-Discussion  !!

***************as a mere Co-add :

The Honoured Administrator  Herr Hartmann more than ONE TIME
has kindly hinted about this Modification for Discussion also :

to have arranged an Electrical Currents Solenoides-Coil and
the "moveable" mu-r-permeabilities-pieces in SURDEN WAYS
of SetUps.............

Kindly frankly I "know" "some" about "how&why" in ways of
interacting a Solenoide with such mu-r-permeabilities-"pieces" ........
an interesting "combination" of both practical Appliances of
Physics/Maths-Theories and "Handy-Crafts"..........!!

MY KIND THANKS TO THE HONOURED ADMINISTRATOR  Herr Hartmann

FOR HIS KINDLY HINTING ABOUT A SOLENOIDE TOGETHER WITH

PIECES OF MU-R-PERMEABILITIES-MATERIALS........................

MIGHT I DARINGLY SUGGEST ,  THAT THE HONOURED  ADMINISTRATOR

DOES KNOW ABOUT THE POSSIBLE OU-ACTIONS  OF SUCH A SET-UP

OF  A SOLENOIDE  TOGETHER  WITH  MU-R-PERMEABILITIES-PIECES.........

OF COURSE THAT THE HONOURED ADMINISTRATOR HAS TO KEEP

IN DISCRETIONAL SECRETS ABOUT SUCH AN OU-Device of Solenoide + mu-r-pieces !!....

MIGHT I KINDLY MEAN ,

THAT HARDLY WILL PER  P.T.  THE HONOURED ADMINISTRATOR  STILL NOT UN-VEAL

ANY DETAILS ABOUT  THE WELL-FUNCTIONING   [ OU-Solenoides+mu-r-permeabilities-pieces ]

.......................might I just briefly mention a "little" of mere OU-RUNNING-Results of "my own" mere OU-Researches-
Results about such an OU-DEvice per [solenoide + mu-r-permeabilities-pieces ]  :

>> a TEN-PROCENT-"more-output" might be expected when-if using a "thick-Cu-wires"-multi-turns->>wound in
>> i.e. a 1:1-Lenght-to-diameter-"Air-Cores"-Solenoide and "using" HighFrequencies-properties-
>> ferrites-long-rods..........
>> BOTH a "Pushing-Force" might be "usable"......(to some "point" also "pulling"-Force).......
>> AND an IMPEDANCE-altering Circumstance might be "usable".......
>> THE TRAJECTORIES OF MECHANICAL MOVEMENTS OF THE Ferrites-Rods DO
>> are SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT in MEANS of  xxxxxx.............!!

---------------------------------

Might I kindly most briefly mention about the SMOT-alike-Method as mentioned
on P 1  in The Original Topic (my Thanks to the Honoured Profile having started the Discussion) and (my Thanks to THe Honoured Profiles + THe Honoured Administrator having so fruitfully kindly
ingeniously contributed per Their respective interesting Replies to Replies) :

ALSO A "PULLING" FORCE MIGHT BE USABLE.....(not just a "pushing"-Force-Action...)
THOUGH THEN PER ALTERING THE SET-UP OF MOVEABLE "SOFT-IRON-RODS/PIECES"....!!

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WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and Labouring Week and a pleasant Early Winter.....

and For Whom It is Relevant : Merry Xmas 2008  &  Happy newYear 2009 !

MY THANKS ABOUT YOUR ALL OF INTERESTING IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTIONS
TO
THE HONOURABLE  COURSE  OF  OU  !!
   

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #366 on: November 26, 2008, 01:49:04 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles
and
The Honoured Administrator
of This The Honourable OVER-UNITY-Forum  !!

MIght I kindly briefly per a few sentences just hint about :

**********The "All" of Interactions between 2 separate nearby EachOther
Electrical Short-Solenoides in Means of
BOTH the mechanical-Works-Integral : S ( Fmag * dl )
AND   the Effects-Powers-Integral      : S ( Current(t) * Voltage(t) )..........!!

--------------------------------------------------

Allthough this Continued-going-on-Discussion per Replies to Replies
is mostly meant to be about SMOTS..........
THEN still "some" Realizings about Electrical Currents Coils
might also "do" in such  Discussions about SMOTS.......!!

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And THANKS about the in the most former Reply
mentioned COMMERCIAL to Magnetical Materials /
Shieldings of Low Frequencies........
interesting in means of the Physics-Maths-Theoremes about
ElectroMagnetical Fields.......!!
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Thanks about Your All of interesting important Discussions-Contributions to
The Honourable Idealistical significantly important  Course  of  OU  !!

WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and a pleasant Early Winter
and For Whom It Relates : Merry Xmas 2008  &  Happy NewYear 2009  !!


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #366 on: November 26, 2008, 01:49:04 PM »
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Offline molux

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #367 on: November 26, 2008, 06:34:13 PM »
I all,

I can't wait the Demo Butch.... i'm so ecxited....

Thanks for your greate Job

Molux

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #368 on: November 27, 2008, 12:39:37 PM »
Hy Sirs,

(I can edit my previous message...)
I juste ask imself where come from this claim :"OU motors with a 50:1 output:input now possible !" (in red on top of the forum) ?

Molux

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #368 on: November 27, 2008, 12:39:37 PM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #369 on: November 27, 2008, 01:53:37 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles
and
The Honoured Administrator
of This The Honourable OVER-UNITY-Forum !

Might I kindly briefly just-a-little "Moneys-savingly" mention about :

*************DISCARDED "ELDER" Radio- & Computer-Electronics often
"have" i.e. most-lower-Frequencies-HF-suitable ferrites "Beads & Tubes".....
and "HF-ferrites-Aerial-Long-Rods"......

to might A-PART away from the Original Device for to use for
H-magnetical-fields-experiments.....................!!

And how about the fairly "strong" wall-notes-plates/refrigerators-front-plates
"gadgets-magnetes"............
and how about magnetes as A-PARTED away from small/medium-sized "standard"
DC-commutators-motors(generators) .................
YES, THÉN the really "strong" magnetes from "move-forth-back"-a-jumping-magnetes-rod
cased in a "clear-plastics"-cylinders-LAMP...
for to "drive" White-litting LEDS....
(though per a most too little accumulator-package)...............!!

THÈN the p.t.-times really "small-sized" commercially manufactured "Self-inductance" per
Coil wound on "little" open-fields-mu-r-ferrites-mini-rod..........

YES...........if-when "cheaply"-priced Components might do well in Experiments....also for OU....
thén o.k.......for surden COMMERCIALS DO MENTION RATHER" LARGE" NEW COMPONENTS PRICES OF SURDEN MAGNETES AND FERRITES MATERIALS , e.t.c. !

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WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and sooncoming Weekend and thanks about The nearly Past Season of Y 2008........
 and have Yourselves a pleasant Winter´s Time and Seasonal Events.....!!

And For Whom It Relates :  Merry Xmas 2008 & Happy NewYear 2009 !

And my Thanks about Your All important significant interesting Contributions to
     
       The Honourable  Course  of  OU  !!

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #370 on: November 27, 2008, 02:13:32 PM »
Butch I have eleventy million dollars that says this is just another anomaly where people cant quite see that by you moving the magnet into the field you are actually imparting enough energy to change the balance (potential) of the magnetic fields, no more .. no less.


For those interested enough to truly undeerstand, please read the following

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_potential

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #370 on: November 27, 2008, 02:13:32 PM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #371 on: November 28, 2008, 01:28:16 AM »
HaHaHa...
The fact is...It is not one current...THEY ARE 2 CURRENTS.
The field around a conductor is a dual field and THEY ARE DIVERGING AWAY.
Now if you put some filings around then the currents will use the filings as a path to RE-CONVERGE and so the filings will be dipoles, but the dipole is made when the currents are running against each other.
It is not so much of a curl either....the currents are thrown out of the copper wire radially all around, just like our spiral galaxy....in a right hand twist...and from both directions in the wire.
The curl is a product of the field from the conductor diverging away and acting on the Earth's magnetic field, which is the next path of least resistance for the currents to follow.
Stand on the tropic of cancer and put copper wire in an E/W position...run pos current in E end and Neg current in W end of copper wire.
The copper wire now feels a force that would move it to the Equator of the Earth, and the Earth would be magnetized by the copper wire the same way it is now.
Now stand on the tropic of capricorn and put copper wire E/W..run pos current in E end and Neg current in W end of copper wire.
The wire now feels a force that will move it to the Equator, and the Earth would be magnetized the way it is now.
That is why a coil will always pull the core to its center.
To make currents with a single wire...the metal will have to be placed in such a way that the currents enter from the middle and run to the ends...then the metal will be a permanent magnet.
Take a hard steel wire 1" long...put in filings to see there is no magnet in it.
Put 18" long, 1/8" dia copper wire in E/W position, pos in E end,,neg in W end of wire.
Put hard steel wire vertically on top of the copper wire, right in the middle of the copper wire, touching it.
Hold tight...touch car battery for a moment...
Remove hard steel wire and dip in filings, then you will see there is still mo magnet in the needle.
Now move lower end of needle just below the copper wire on the N side.
Hold tight...touch battery for a moment...now put the lower end of that needle in filings and you will see the filings stick to the needle....
Hang that lower end now just above the middle of the copper wire.
Touch battery for a moment and the needle will swing North.
During the time you held the needle vertically on top of the copper wire...the currents were not able to use it as a path to run in...the currents only run from end to middle and accross and so the needle was not magnetized.
During the time the needle's lower end was below the copper wire on the N side, the currents diverging from the wire were able to use the needle as a path, and so the needle was magnetized, and it will be permanent.
When the currents are started in an orbit..they will never stop until the orbit is broken.

"I believe that if some enterprising man would analyze the magnet metal which comes straight from the earth he would find that the metal is not built up by protons and electrons, but by north and south pole individual magnets."......Ed. Leedskalnin. 1946

They are the cosmic force.





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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #372 on: November 29, 2008, 06:23:23 PM »
To the INVENTORS.

Because of your bickering on who has done/got what first, and patenting fiasco, we (the rest of the world) are still running things on oil/coal and line governments big fat wallets.

Get your grip together and let free energy into the world. Screw patent and claims and whatnot.
If you intend on hoarding the knowledge and wait on the grace of your wonderfull government to grant you patents, then we are never seeing free energy, because too much money is tied up into energy business. No way in hell they will grant you a patent you can make any money off. Youre in their playground now and youre after a piece of their pie.


Its gonna play out like this:
• You develop a device
• You file for a patent
• You go on youtube and demonstrate your device
• You get a bit greedy and you try get some investors in to get the "bussiness" rolling
• Time passes, world yaawns (1 - 8 years)
• Patent office writes back and informs you either that such a device allready exists under a different name and you would have to reformat your claim or some such, causing another delay.
• You get some investors or government assasinates you and we forget all about that wonderfull device you "sommebody" (yes we cant even recall your name anymore) was working on.
• We still run appliances and homes on oil.

The way it should play out to get a world in a better shape:
• You develop a device
• You proove it works to the people
• You make contengency plans if something was to happen to you or the device
• You publish papers online with diagrams for evey Joe out there soo he can build it on his own

• Government is screwed with this new FACT and has to addapt
• There is either a revolution, or mankind opens up a new chapter in human history on how we beat powerty, war,...
• And yes, you will be remembered as a man who freed people from this slavery to energy moguls.
• And yes were damn sure to make you ritch. Just immagine, a man that saved Earth opening up a donation page.  You would get millions upon millions of donations. If indeed economy would exist as such that is. But still, you wont go hungry or anyone else for that matter ever again.


Its either that or you keep worrying about your precious device and your BILLs and hoping you will get a patent granted, you will get investors and a fat big wallet.

I appologize for vocabulary quirks, as I am not a natural English writer.  ::)

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #373 on: November 29, 2008, 06:42:49 PM »
Oh, if it was only that simple and true......

There are other scenarios played.

For example: Would you be so willing to publicly give such information if it meant innocent members of your family suffering in a multitude of ways just because you decided to become a humanitarian?

-or-

Broadcast the information knowing that you will be forced to drive to another country for life giving medications for a family member just because you loose your job, health care, retirement income and all the benefits of past labors. Why? To be a humanitarian?

I suppose I could be a martyr for such a cause but you can stuff it if you think I will put innocent family members through it so I can be 'the good guy un-remembered' - again.

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« Reply #374 on: November 29, 2008, 06:54:37 PM »
Oh, if it was only that simple and true......

There are other scenarios played.

For example: Would you be so willing to publicly give such information if it meant innocent members of your family suffering in a multitude of ways just because you decided to become a humanitarian?

-or-

Broadcast the information knowing that you will be forced to drive to another country for life giving medications for a family member just because you loose your job, health care, retirement income and all the benefits of past labors. Why? To be a humanitarian?

I suppose I could be a martyr for such a cause but you can stuff it if you think I will put innocent family members through it so I can be 'the good guy un-remembered' - again.

Once again.

Yes i would wholehartedly decided to let the information loose.

Once the genie is out of the bottle,.. you know the rest. It would be kinda pointless for the government threats then right?
Besides, you gave that statement not thinking first. If the inventor is true of heart and is trying to get this out, dont you think hes allready in their sights?  If the inventor knows that, then why is he wasting his time on getting this thing out when he knows his family is threattened and he will never be permitted to get this thing out?

OK said that,... he can give the technology to someone else anonimously, and he gets it out as long as it gets out.

THEY (by this I mean the oposition, corporations and governments, oil cartels..) are genuinely screwed if this gets into public domain.
Killing one lone inventor and his whole family and close distant relatives is not gonna help them. Once the genie is out of the bottle, the revolution can not be stopped.

As they are, but a few in control of many. Once you loose that control youre as good as dead. Their time is comming.

The inventor I am reffering to is SM whos invention is known to you allready. Allso I see a nice movement in free energy bussiness in Australia. This is comming out and no idle threats are gonna make any difference. They better buckle their bellts, write their wills, get their affairs in order, ...

Patent office is nothing more than a filtering system on what people should and should not know.
Its a body for control. Who else likes to control their subjects? (fill the blanks yourself).

I trully admire SM if his invention or rather adaption works. We all know 95% of todays free energy comes from none other but Nikola Tesla work. But I dont mind that. Humanity has been put on hold for 100 years, its time these things come out.
They made enough fortune through controlling the technology to suit their vision of the world.

 

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