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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 192237 times)

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #315 on: November 04, 2008, 04:33:45 AM »
Ok.

I borrowed an AutoSketch machine and scribbled the idea. Believe me when I say having the net result as zero is a good thing.

There is a reason why I am using a 1/2 inch shaft. Not only because those were the only parts I had left from another mag motor.

You can put simple coils in the stator sections to aid in gap adjustment (set for minimal variation and balance between the three dual stator sections.

A separate magnet on each side is required so there is additional torque generated where the opposite stators meet.
The sketch does not show the current state of my experiment. Mine has adjustment screws for adjusting rotor/stator and stator/magnet gaps. Balancing the three major sections is difficult. If one has a large difference it may take most or none of the magnetic flux.

Good luck. Don't waste your time with a simulator unless it is true 3D.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #316 on: November 05, 2008, 04:46:08 AM »
Due to some PM'd questions, I'll answer here:

Rotor construction: Qty 6, roughly C shaped laminations of the same metal as the rotor. Metal used is .26mm thick - measured.

"Orientation of laminations should be same as rotor sections!" - WRONG. In a conventional motor, yes. Not here.

No, I haven't measured the magnet's strength.

Q. "Half inch bearings and shaft? Are you kidding?"
A. NO. I only expect a maximum unloaded RPM of 462 but there are strong stresses already. I always overbuild. If it can't turn the bearings and shaft I'm not interested in it.

Q. "A separate magnet on each side is required so there is additional torque generated where the opposite stators meet. - Are your stators rotating?"

A. No, They are STATORS. Two separate flux - one from each magnet, meet to continue through the rotor sections. In the middle between the two pie-slice-shaped rotor sections (one on either face of the overall rotor) these two flux repel each other. This aids in the flux seeking a wider gap and in smoothing any remaining sticky points.








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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #317 on: November 05, 2008, 03:59:43 PM »

@BEP


I have my own CNC machines so it's possible for me to build virtually any prototype design. In the past I found it much easier to only build enough to test the operating principal. This usually indicates the problem and even lets you do some "what if " testing to find a modified condition which may improve possibilities of any gain in energy.

So far it looks like anything that depends on the changing magnitude of the field will always require the same energy in the opposite move to reduce the field.

At this point it looks like a moving field with a constant magnitude may be the only possibility.




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« Reply #318 on: November 05, 2008, 06:56:32 PM »
@BEP


I have my own CNC machines so it's possible for me to build virtually any prototype design. In the past I found it much easier to only build enough to test the operating principal. This usually indicates the problem and even lets you do some "what if " testing to find a modified condition which may improve possibilities of any gain in energy.

So far it looks like anything that depends on the changing magnitude of the field will always require the same energy in the opposite move to reduce the field.

At this point it looks like a moving field with a constant magnitude may be the only possibility.





Constant magnitude but no movement radially. The only movement I want is the (forgive me purists) expansion and compression of the field lines in the axial direction at each stator/rotor point.

I'm past the concept stage. The only problem is the increase in flux during expansion with side leakage. Those should be addressed with this design. A slight ramp in the radial dimension of each section should handle this along with create some attraction to the next section. The key is the expansion/contraction must be the same axis as the shaft.
I only used the CNC to build a mock-up of the supporting structures.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #319 on: November 05, 2008, 11:20:35 PM »
Hello ALL,


Thees is Jack W Hildenbrand machine.     I allready have a patent on it a the patent office.    How do you thick there'll do anytime with it.when it financed,

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #320 on: November 06, 2008, 03:29:02 AM »
@JackH

If you are referring to the drawing I posted:

I'm honored to have any comment from you. You work is both genius and fine art.

However, my best understanding of your patent and posted works tells me there is almost no similarity between your work and my design, either in function or form. I've certainly never built anything that looks as good as your work.

This design does no flux or field switching and has no control or driving circuitry or coils.

If you have any links to information that makes my above statement wrong, please post or PM them. I'll be glad to make sure I'm not stealing your ideas.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #321 on: November 06, 2008, 08:16:14 AM »
Don't let patents scare you away.
I'm not a legal expert, but from what I understand about patent law, anyone is entitled to build a patented device to test for themselves. Patents are  infringed only when such devices are marketed or used for financial gain.  If you think there is patent out there that actually works, feel free to build it and report your findings, just don't sell it or use it for profit.

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« Reply #322 on: November 06, 2008, 11:15:54 AM »
Thanks,

I understand that but I won't claim an idea is mine if there is any chance it is another's. As far as I know there is nothing like this out there.

It is interesting. Jack is the third to tell me they invented this idea. The other two didn't even have a rotor  ;D

If anyone thinks the idea is theirs, please post a link to the patent or info.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #323 on: November 06, 2008, 11:42:46 AM »
Hi BEP,

I noticed Jack wrote similar text on other threads on this Forum, and he started a new thread too: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5992.0

Now that I have studied a little what he may really mean I think he does not address yours setup in this thread but that of Butch here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5064.msg135416#msg135416   i.e. where there is a permanent magnet embedded between soft iron yokes and there is an electromagnet interacting with this yokes + permanent magnet assembly.

So I do not think you are involved.

rgds,  Gyula

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« Reply #324 on: November 06, 2008, 12:27:50 PM »
@gyulasun

Thank you for clearing that. I love Jack's work.

@All

No more talk about my idea on this thread. I opened a separate thread here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5995.0

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #325 on: November 06, 2008, 04:55:50 PM »
What jack.H doesn't understand is that I could easily dig up many patents his so called patent infringes on, I could also produce patents that utilize a similar effect or the same effect in a different way that is new and unique and there is nothing he can do. I hate it when egotistical people make the silly claim that "this is mine", he knows fully well where he got the idea from and this idea was never his in the first place. In the end I can say very little if anything we see or know is actually new as most everything is always based on some other persons idea, as Nicola Tesla once said "There is no invention in it" ---- it is just another variation of an idea already conceived, at least I and others have the integrity to admit this fact.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #326 on: November 06, 2008, 06:44:39 PM »
Don't let patents scare you away.
I'm not a legal expert, but from what I understand about patent law, anyone is entitled to build a patented device to test for themselves. Patents are  infringed only when such devices are marketed or used for financial gain.  If you think there is patent out there that actually works, feel free to build it and report your findings, just don't sell it or use it for profit.

derricka;

I agree with you completely, There is no way to tell who posters really are or who they represent
and you don't want the competition from parties unknown from being able to deter your work.
I got a mailbox full of spam if you want it to prove it. Make it function, then do the legal, in that
order sequence.

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Most of this this stuff has over one hundred or more years of technical suggestions behind it,
so show me your selling product, then show me your patent.


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #327 on: November 06, 2008, 06:58:41 PM »
Doesn't a patent require a functioning prototype that does what the patent says?

No matter. I'll not try to patent anything again. If it is the wrong thing you'll loose rights to it anyway. I can just imagine some company stooge trying to build posted ideas just to 'make sure' they are loosing out on a potential product.

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« Reply #328 on: November 06, 2008, 10:18:41 PM »
This design makes full use of "pull in" on the fanners elements, but avoids all "back drag" on exit of the fanner elements. It's a merge of our Pseudo Solid design and Perpendicular Magnetics design. 3D animation being made at this time. Test machine will be built also. We copyright only to keep someone from trying to claim it and suppress it or sell it for profit.
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Test for work to compress fanner washers
« Reply #329 on: November 07, 2008, 12:26:25 AM »
Mark is building a fixture to find the work necessary to compress the fanner washers in the last test he did.
It took 19 counter weight washers to get the fanner washers to break free when fanned out. He will video how many washers weight it takes to compress the fanner washers back.
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