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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 191833 times)

Offline Ergo

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #240 on: October 22, 2008, 09:58:44 PM »
You are truly unbelievable and ingnorant in your stubbornness. Now I'm being rude, but you deserve it.

DIDN'T YOU GET THAT THE RECTANGULAR WASHER PILE ONLY HAVE HALF THE AREA OF THE NEOMAGNET?
THIS MEANS THE FLUX WILL SATURATE THE WASHERS AND THE EXCESS FLUX  IS FORCED TO TAKE ANOTHER ROUTE.


Sorry for shouting but this is probably the only way to make wizkycho understand, but I don't think he will get it anyway.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #241 on: October 22, 2008, 10:19:15 PM »
You are truly unbelievable and ingnorant in your stubbornness. Now I'm being rude, but you deserve it.

DIDN'T YOU GET THAT THE RECTANGULAR WASHER PILE ONLY HAVE HALF THE AREA OF THE NEOMAGNET?
THIS MEANS THE FLUX WILL SATURATE THE WASHERS AND THE EXCESS FLUX  IS FORCED TO TAKE ANOTHER ROUTE.


Sorry for shouting but this is probably the only way to make wizkycho understand, but I don't think he will get it anyway.

You are blind aren't you
look at the picture
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5064.msg133191#msg133191

washers together have bigger surface then magnets so they can not saturate Seeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You may shout but Space still works the same way, and says:

50:1 still very possible and you can't stop it  ....maybe you can find something else. I dout it, but I dare you, and rise You 1000

Wiz

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #242 on: October 23, 2008, 12:03:28 AM »
Aside from the current argument, has there been any other experimentation with purely mechanical or the coil setup?  As I understand, Yucca has been the only one that has started to build one.  I'm really interested in this promising setup...

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« Reply #242 on: October 23, 2008, 12:03:28 AM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #243 on: October 23, 2008, 03:07:42 AM »
I did some experiments....
I found that if you move the magnets closer than 2 mm to the iron, then the iron will change polarity.
In other words when the flux uses the iron as a path, then the iron is a different polarity than when the magnets are approaching the iron at say 10 mm distance.
If the N pole magnet approaches the iron, the iron end will be a S pole, but when the magnet is very close to the iron then the iron more or less becomes part of the magnet pole.
This is the base for the Wesley Gary motor.
I've tested it many times and the iron does indeed change polarity.
I used very fine iron laminations taken from a large electric furnace for my tests....I've got about 200kg of thin strips about 1 meter long....hahaha..I thought they might come in handy one day ;D
Scotty.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #244 on: October 23, 2008, 11:22:10 AM »
washers together have bigger surface then magnets so they can not saturate Seeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then build the darn thing and learn I'm right in this matter.
Once built you might learn a thing or two and start seeing the whole picture instead of being so extremely narrow-minded.


I dout it, but I dare you, and rise You 1000
So you are a poker player. This explains your complete lack of logic and beliefs in success without ever questioning your own ideas.
It's just like a poker game for you. Bet on success agains all odds and you might win. But you won't win against mother nature.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #244 on: October 23, 2008, 11:22:10 AM »
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Offline wizkycho

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #245 on: October 23, 2008, 02:58:35 PM »
Ergo !!!

You gave ZERO right reasons why this would not work !!!!

This is search for ZERO point energy ... You mixed something up. Maybe that confuses You.

Still 50:1 very possible

Wiz


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #246 on: October 23, 2008, 02:59:15 PM »
@scotty1

Yes that's true.
And there is one crucial difference between Permanent Magnet and Magnetized steel (not saturated, and still in magnetic field).

I'll put above experiment in reference with my proposal of LaFontes linear Fanner machine:

- Permanent Magnet, although most of domains are orieneted in one direction, has even 20% of domains that are somewhat angled from Main Orientation. it has not homogen field by itself above some missaligned domains  - but it can be afterwards directed. homogenized with perm material or other pole of other magnet directly across first one....

next applies to fanner machine:
- When perm Metal is in homogen mag. field (of same width or littel smaller and metal not saturated) it develops polarity counter of what was applied to it (true). but domains in that steel are perfectly 100% aligned with main direction of field and field of magnets through metal is 100% homogen as long as this outer field is applied - so it can not affect adjanced steel or very little if in direct contact cause mag res will be slightly lower (see B-H curve), but none whatsoever if adjanced steel is distanced even slightly (1mm is even too big gap - no effect at all - can not be meassured)

 When outer mag field is removed and if that Metal has remanence it will develop 20 or more % of not perfectly aligned domains. and even without will create nonhomogen field cause of nature of field itself and cause of property of AIR that unlike perm. materials HAS LINEAR B-H curve. flux lines tries to be distanced from one another as result they are spreding somewhat radially. For field of air core coil hardly can be said that any part of that field is homogen not even in center of coil, if core has perm. material core, field inside can be caracterised as homogen.

Conclusion:
1.Perm. Steel can be influenced with heterogen field (one magnet only one pole)
2.Perm Steel can be influenced with homogen field
(two magnets, attraction mode, on both sides of perm. steel, strenght such that not making it saturated)

only 2. has perfectly homogenized field inside perm. steel. In 1. perm material somewhat homogenizes field but flux lines still end up heterogen cause are seeking direction for another pole to close on it.
.......

Wiz

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #247 on: October 24, 2008, 02:51:24 AM »
We allready have a way to swith a strong field on off with low current, the joseph flynn valve.
also have a very effient way to convert a linear movement into a circular movement, the revetec.com trilobe crank.

The construction is: make a josehp flynn valve in "U" shape, in each extreme set a butch lafonte laminated expander, in the midle set the trilobe. Thats all Folks.

The working: turn on flynn valve to one extreme on (another extreme is automatically off) the laminated in this extreme is expanded (the another extreme is automatically compressed) and the trilobe rotate, next switch the flynn valve to the another extreme on.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #248 on: October 24, 2008, 10:36:33 AM »
We allready have a way to swith a strong field on off with low current, the joseph flynn valve.
also have a very effient way to convert a linear movement into a circular movement, the revetec.com trilobe crank.

The construction is: make a josehp flynn valve in "U" shape, in each extreme set a butch lafonte laminated expander, in the midle set the trilobe. Thats all Folks.

The working: turn on flynn valve to one extreme on (another extreme is automatically off) the laminated in this extreme is expanded (the another extreme is automatically compressed) and the trilobe rotate, next switch the flynn valve to the another extreme on.

Many thanks for this linear to rotational conversion device . I only knew for piston on excenter of wheel type. Are there any other efficient linear to rotational motion converters ? maybe simpler ones

We have Flynn, Hilde Brand, JLNs - MEP, Genesis revolutionary methods for controling mag. flux.
These methods (although with different properties in different setups...) have one thing in common -  mag flux amplification at output... Magnetic field Transistor name is implied by itself. (hope You all will allow me to use it - for shortening and clearifing descriptions)

About device - could work but should be quality design, else cause of losses could end up underunity.

Magnetic field Transistor has amplification 2 - 5, Fanner mech output is 30% (not sure of this number, can it be more ?).
so Magnetic field Trans should be constructed to have amp. factor somewhere beyond 3.2 (for quality and precision design) or more for lot's of losses design.
This amp factor 3 - 4 is not hard to achieve cause alternative path is always available (Washers) - magnet field easily reroutes (doesn't have to search for distanced rotor...). This is one of the beautys with this LaFontes setup - predictability. Mag Trans Amp factor always guaranteed.

But even amp 5 could be insufficient cause electricity afterwards should be efficiently generated....and conected back to efficient electronics....to proove OU.

Here COP (if precission design) drops to 1.5 - 3.(but it is enough)

Darlington (cascade) Magnetic field Transistor proposal should be used... then COP can rise 5 - 10 and easily overcome losses.

I might be misscalculated here cause when alternative path in mag trans is available (washers can even be constructed to touch "mag path directors" and slide with low friction) mag amplification could have even greater factor - means lower E input is needed for whole setup to work....

Wiz

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #248 on: October 24, 2008, 10:36:33 AM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #249 on: October 24, 2008, 07:10:08 PM »
A source of parts may be an old AC clock motor.
These motors have a single coil wrapped around an iron core.
The motor rotor could be replaced by the cylindrical magnet

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #250 on: October 26, 2008, 11:50:39 AM »
Hello Honoured Profiles & Administrator
of
The Honourable OVERUNITY-DISCUSSIONS-FORUM !

Thnks about Your continued going-on interesting important Discussions per
Replies to Replies !

Might I kindly add a little mere text to the Discussions :


**** There are used a kind of MIXED THEORIES/THEOREMES when The
Honoured Profiles are technically arguing PRO-et-CONTRA..........
a "MIXTURE" of CLASSICAL MAGNETO-STATICS with CLASSICAL
ELECTRO-DYNAMICS and even moresome CLASSICAL MECHANICS
(when arguing using Theoreme of Virtual-Work-Force about altered H-Fluxes)


****The Properties of most of mu-r-permeabilities Materials are NOT quite as easy
to would define/specify about......
i.e. "soft-iron-washers" might indeed still have MOST NON-Isotropical-Magnetical-Properties...
and WHAT are used of Magnetical-Materials in One Experiment performed by One Honoured Profile
hardly might be the SAME  of Properties used in a Similar/Nearly-Similar Experiment performed by Other Honoured Profiles !!

Even ferrites-materials-properties might greatly differ in basal mu-r-values and "iso-tropies" and satur-able/linear Means/"Behaviours".....!!


****When placing 2 "soft-iron-rods" parallel and close to Each-Other for
to would "obtain"
a "Push-away"-action caused by an APPLIED NEARBY LOCATED EXTERIOR H-Field

THEN "What" of H-magnetical-Theories/Theoremes to actually would "use" for to realize about the "Forces" etc.................
H-poles...........H-dipoles...........H-fields-patterns..........solenoidal-equivalences-situations....or what-elses.......................!!


****"INSTEAD" of THAT ATTEMPTED SPECIFIED Situation of 2 parallel soft-iron-rods located to should "push"-away-Each-Other because of H-influensed "H-poles" (if Magneto-Statically evaluated)
....
then HOW about some OTHER possible mutual locations of such soft-iron-rods to Each-Other....
and THEN to would specify/define/evaluate about "push or pull" because of H-actings...etc !!


****When having located 2 such soft-iron-rods nearby Each-Other ,
THEN there are some CRITICAL "Parametres-Finesses" to should "deal" with.....

for if TOO close to Each-Other ,
THEN perhaps might appear a PULL instead of a PUSH........

"WHY"......"because" of the mutually-building-up H-influenses-zones
in the soft-iron-rods .!!


****etc...etc.....to would discuss about.......at least mightsome "Force-Values"
be usable to would have in the Disdcussions.......namely the MEASURED
PULL or PUSH Forces Values between the soft-iron-rods when being H-influensed from an exterior H-field !

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WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and a pleasant Late Autumn/Early Winter and Benefits from Your
respective hardlabored Doings !
 

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #251 on: October 26, 2008, 04:11:11 PM »
I am curious exactly how this animation works with the triangular shaped front and back.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #252 on: October 26, 2008, 08:28:17 PM »
I was looking at the principles behind the Gary Magnetic Motor and thought it might provide some insight here.
The following website has the clearest diagram explaining the principle it's based on.
http://keelynet.com/energy/garyjohn.htm
Perhaps this concept could be utilized in operating the washers.
Only a small movement is required to turn the magnetic field off and reverse it's polarity.
And because the distance of travel is so short it can be moved very quickly.



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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #253 on: October 27, 2008, 08:45:27 AM »
Hi all.
The best place for the Gary motor is Rexresearch...
That link above is a bit different.
http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm

scroll down to Canadian Patent #10239.
The diagrams that show the effect are there.
They are the ones I tested.
I used a large U magnet, some iron, and a magnetized needle to show the pole changing.
I made the needle attract to the U magnet prong...then when the iron was say 3mm from the magnet, the needle would repel from the iron....so the iron was actually being induced by the U magnet.
When the iron was  lowered closer to the magnet then the needle would stick to the iron, showing that the iron had changed polarity.
By again slightly raising the iron, the needle would again be repelled by the iron showing that the iron was again under magnetic induction from the U magnet.
Cheers
Scotty

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #254 on: October 27, 2008, 02:45:54 PM »
Hello Honoured Profiles
and
The Administrator of this The OverUnity-Forum !

Thanks about Your interesting important Discussions plus Links
as mentioned in Replies to eplies in this continued going-on
Pro-et-Contra Technical Forum´s Chapter !!

Might I kindly briefly shortly write these few aspects-points :


****The socalled GARY-MOTOR-Principle is about to would "use" the
socalled GRADIENTES of the H-magnetical Field............!!


****YES......the Math-Integral performed over a CLOSED-LOOP of
Classical Mechanics/Magneto-Statics  [ Force x Way ] -Work caused by
acting of H-Forces (-Lines)  to a socalled "H-Pole´s Charge"...........!!


****Well-then.............
the often troublesome "Circumstance" about HOW to WOULD AVOID
to get building-up a kind of (for OU-actings) )NON-usable EXTRA-
H-influensed local multi-many H-dipoles in the mu-r-permeability-
material......................and ALSO the troublesome
Hystereses-properties of some various mu-r-materials..........!!

Thanks about also the included Discussion about a GARY-MOTOR-Principle
in this continued going-on Chapter in this OU-Forum !

How about ALSO to would in brief ways discuss about ENHANCED IMPROVED
Electro-Motor H-poles-Topologies for BETTERING the "Torques" and
"stray-fields"  Problematics , etc !!

Please mention MORE of various LINKS and further Discussions-Themes of
OU in terms of the Original Topic´s Theme......etc !!

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WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day andapleasant Late Autumn/Early Winter
and Fruitfull Experimental Results and Benefits from Your respective Hardlabored Doings ! !

And thanks about Your interesting important novel Contributions forto would
obtain OU-Actings !!

 

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