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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 196021 times)

Offline Koen1

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #165 on: October 15, 2008, 03:25:55 PM »
@Yucca: Thanks! That helps a lot. :)

@Wizkycho: I am sorry, but anyone who so confidently proclaims a permanent magnet to
be an actual "flux capacitor" immediately plummets several hundred feet in my esteem.
Next thing you know you'll be claiming that you can go back to the future. ;)

If you think a permanent magnet is a "magnetic" capacitor, then you probably also think
that a battery is a "current capacitor"?
I'd almost think that you believe that magnetic flux flows through a magnetic material just
like electrons flow through a conductor... Surely you don't...?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #166 on: October 15, 2008, 04:18:35 PM »
@Yucca: Thanks! That helps a lot. :)

@Wizkycho: I am sorry, but anyone who so confidently proclaims a permanent magnet to
be an actual "flux capacitor" immediately plummets several hundred feet in my esteem.
Next thing you know you'll be claiming that you can go back to the future. ;)

If you think a permanent magnet is a "magnetic" capacitor, then you probably also think
that a battery is a "current capacitor"?
I'd almost think that you believe that magnetic flux flows through a magnetic material just
like electrons flow through a conductor... Surely you don't...?

1. back in Time is not possible at all - therefore back from Time to future allso is not. cause Time doesn't exists, it is human invention from nothing, there is no Time in nature or space. Time trevel never and never can be made real.
Flux capacitor in the movie allso could be filled only to egzakt ammount of flux - just like a permanent magnet.
Capacitor and battery are SOURCES of electron "medium". So is magnet as SOURCE of flux in magnetism.
You'll be surprised but I believe that car can go on bananas too..!!!!! ;D

2. I never said that - you did. ! But if You really don't know  water,heat , magnetism, current, voltage, light ...-  fields of scinece have their sepparate rules but in some points they interact. Transistor, capacitor, wire, conductor, condensator - are common descriptional words of what that part is doing but not the medium is using.

So here on Earth, You will see when You come and visit us, there are words as Light Wire (it "conducts" light and you'll be surprised not at all electrons) common red brick can be Heat Capacitor (but again You'll be surprised heat is stored not electrons). are You tring to open linguistic debate -  go to the other forum.

I'm actually proposing to embrase term magnetic transistor so we would not have to go through all of this explanation of what it is.
when phrase "magnetic transistor" is said  - everything is said.
agreed ?

Wiz

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #167 on: October 15, 2008, 05:40:14 PM »
To get the point across on how powerful this effect can be since Butch posted the wimpy
simulation results and very suboptimal structures I will post one simulation result of a better
structure to get you guys going the right direction.

This simulation uses M19 steel with 7 large segments that would be 4 inches deep and 3 inches high.
The gap on each side to the magnets is 0.25 inch. The magnets are N45 NIB. 
The total stroke would be about 8 inches in this example.
The force developed at the starting point shown here is just over 390lbs or 1738 newtons. 
Again the magnetic forces of attraction would be much larger, but is of
no consequence if proper design is used to manage and cancel those forces.

Enjoy,
Dave Squires

Hi Dave Squires !

Can you please post ziped fem model and If would explain to me how to properly start calculation of forces.
Your results are more than promissing. I allso think it could be so.

Wiz

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #167 on: October 15, 2008, 05:40:14 PM »
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Offline wizkycho

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #168 on: October 15, 2008, 06:05:11 PM »
Yucca did you look at Erhfinders web site http://www.forgotten-genius.com/documents/home_1.html In his news section is a video of something similar and running
      Chet

Hi all !

the last video is no longer available. any other link. you saved it maybe ?

Time to wake up... sounds like must have video ?

Wiz




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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #169 on: October 15, 2008, 06:29:53 PM »
Hi Wiz

Not sure why it doesn't work for you but I was able to play the "Time to wake up" video on the http://www.forgotten-genius.com/documents/in_the_news.html site, if it doesn't open for you maybe try this direct link to the video on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/v/wO5ASxjwi14&hl=en

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Paul

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Offline wizkycho

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #170 on: October 15, 2008, 07:27:24 PM »
Hi Wiz

Not sure why it doesn't work for you but I was able to play the "Time to wake up" video on the http://www.forgotten-genius.com/documents/in_the_news.html site, if it doesn't open for you maybe try this direct link to the video on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/v/wO5ASxjwi14&hl=en

Regards;
Paul
Hi all

Amazing. magnets can not do work they say  :D :D :D

This works on equilibrium principle. Would be nice to hear from the maker for details.
Fantastic. what a workmanship. but I think no fanners here.
Anyone knows more about this ? Or we should make a trip to china and learn language and writting ?

Wiz

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #171 on: October 15, 2008, 07:35:51 PM »
That video is from Shinyeon, for more info go here:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Shinyeon_Energy_Research_Center

tak

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #172 on: October 15, 2008, 08:00:07 PM »
6. conversion of linear mech energy to electrical using linear permanent magnet-coil arrangement.

Wiz

I can see a small problem with that. On the power stroke all will be well and we can extract energy from a coil. On the return stoke we are relying on gravity to pull the stack back down while we extract an equal amount of energy in the other direction from the coil. This will create drag on the mechanism and the stack will fall slowly reducing the efficacy of the machine.

What is needed is a restoring force that can do as much work as the power stroke - a spring perhaps or a design where stacks operate in pairs and the power stroke of one resets the other.

I also see a small problem with the cost and size efficiency of this machine. To take the example above of 300 lbs force and 6 inches travel. If a stack can be operated at one Hz this come out to a shaft output per stack of about 200 Watts for a machine with fairly large and expensive neos and quite a bit of steel. Obviously the machine will be more cost effective if it has many stacks and few magnets to increase the power strokes per second. Then again a machine with a suitable stack restoring mechanism might allow the stacks to operate at much more than 1 Hz - I don't know.

As for the COP, I think this will depend mostly on how large you build the machine. Doubling the size of the machine should not double the input power (which is still required only to overcome rotor friction) but the output should increase by a huge amount with larger magnets and more steel. So the bigger you build it, the higher the COP. That's my theory anyway.

Just my thoughts. Hope that helps.  :)

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #173 on: October 15, 2008, 08:45:39 PM »
I've drawn a diagram of how I currently envisage this thing. I've omitted a few bits for the sake of clarity. In addition to the stacks shown, there would be two more at 90 degrees.

There are two magnets on each rotor and they are 90 degrees apart one rotor from the other.

Output is of course taken from the reciprocating cylinders linking the stacks.

A means would be needed to support the stack central columns while allowing the stack cylinders to reciprocate.

Plus a motor to drive the rotor.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #174 on: October 15, 2008, 10:07:11 PM »
I think these mechanical solution presented over here are
interesting and might work,
but to get the COP really into the range of 20 to 50 you have to go with
electric power input.

The easiest thing would be a tunable LC circuit, that runs
on the same resonance frequency as the reciprocating
output frequency of the square washers pushing back and forth.

Have a look at this video to see the effect
of the low resonance input power into the driving
LC tank circuit.

In this video you would just use the left shown LC tank circuit
in the circuit diagram to drive the washers back and forth.

You need to wind the coil around the core of the soft iron core
pieces that conduct the magnet flux into the airgap,
where the square washers move back and forth.

So no magnets are needed at all.

At the resonance frequency of the LC circuit this
motor will run only on very low input power ( just the coil windings
and iron core eddy current  losses, you can see it in the video: the lightbulb goes
very dim, so not much input current is flowing= very low input power)
and have a huge mechanical power output.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY


P.S: Surely the resonance frequency must be set lower  via the
LC tank circuit  than in this video, maybe just around 10 to 100 Hz ,
so the
"washer piston" will not fly apart.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #175 on: October 15, 2008, 10:13:11 PM »
Yucca did you look at Erhfinders web site http://www.forgotten-genius.com/documents/home_1.html In his news section is a video of something similar and running
      Chet

Hi Chet,

Yes I have seen that video on youtube a few months back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO5ASxjwi14

A fine bit of engineering, I´d love to know the working priciple of it. I´m pretty sure the central drum is driven and then the pistons take off energy, I´m assuming this becasue at 3:26 in the vid the left hand set of pistons lose synch and come to stop whilst the right hand set continues. What I would love to know is what the drum has on it, it looks like chunks of really uneven stuff, like slices of rocks or something?

Yucca.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #176 on: October 15, 2008, 10:29:37 PM »
hartiberlin:

Would your theoritical design impliment PWM with very long strand coil (maybe many miles of magnet wire) using very high voltage but very low amperage?  Newman Motor like.  But instead of driving a very large magnet rotor you are positioning the metal squares...

No real current would be used but create a very strong magnetic field.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #177 on: October 15, 2008, 10:35:43 PM »
I think these mechanical solution presented over here are
interesting and might work,
but to get the COP really into the range of 20 to 50 you have to go with
electric power input.

Hey Guys,
I agree with Stefan. Go with an electrical system. We will post early video we did to help you along with basic principle.
Free energy for all,
Butch LaFonte
« Last Edit: October 16, 2008, 12:38:55 AM by hartiberlin »

Offline Yucca

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #178 on: October 16, 2008, 12:36:29 AM »
I think these mechanical solution presented over here are
interesting and might work,
but to get the COP really into the range of 20 to 50 you have to go with
electric power input.
Hey Guys,
I agree with Stefan. Go with an electrical system. We will post early video we did to help you along with basic principle.
Free energy for all,
Butch LaFonte

Hi Butch, Look forward to the video.

P.S.
Thanks for starting this thread :)

Yucca.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2008, 12:39:43 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #179 on: October 16, 2008, 12:46:00 AM »
hartiberlin:

Would your theoritical design impliment PWM with very long strand coil (maybe many miles of magnet wire) using very high voltage but very low amperage?  Newman Motor like.  But instead of driving a very large magnet rotor you are positioning the metal squares...

No real current would be used but create a very strong magnetic field.

Well, no need for long wire coils here.

You can use low ohmic coils and use bigger caps
to compensate for the LC tank Q ( quality).

You must get a very high Q for this tank at the
resonance frequency of just a few 10 to 100 Hz.

Maybe this alufoil in a borax solution jar variable
cap solution can be used to get the cap into the uF range
but adjustable !

Read this:

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/varelec.htm

Regards, Stefan.

 

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