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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 201804 times)

Offline Yucca

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #120 on: October 11, 2008, 10:09:33 PM »
Cool Yucca.. can't wait to see your animation!  I believe that it has to use permanent magnets as an electromagnet takes too much energy.

Jason

Hi 4Tesla,

I've been out this evening for meal (chinese buffet... bloated! ;D) with my family and relatives so no GIF tonight, sorry.

You're right the electromagnets do take energy, but... the cool thing you can do with electromags is harvest some of that energy back, when you charge the electromag up the energy you put in goes into establishing a flux running through the core of the coil, then when you turn it off that flux collapses and induces whats called a Back EMF (electromotive force). that BEMF can then be captured in a storage capacitor and the energy can then be re-used to fire it next time.

With an efficient circuit setup it means you only need to put in a very small bit of extra charge each pulse to keep the magnet pulsing at full strength.

It's very similar to storing energy in a mechanical system using elastic components or inertia which only loses energy to friction. In electromag you lose energy to circuit resistance, it's very similar.

I think if the effect is as it's described then mechanical or electrical will both work OK.

Let's just hope that the effect does hoodwink Lenz, then we're all laughing! :D

Best, Yucca.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #121 on: October 11, 2008, 10:28:14 PM »
Great discussion going on here.   
I thought of using the parts from one of those shake flashlights to do some testing. 
You can get one on EBay for under 8.00 US.   

Bill


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #122 on: October 11, 2008, 10:29:00 PM »
Hi 4Tesla,

I've been out this evening for meal (chinese buffet... bloated! ;D) with my family and relatives so no GIF tonight, sorry.

You're right the electromagnets do take energy, but... the cool thing you can do with electromags is harvest some of that energy back, when you charge the electromag up the energy you put in goes into establishing a flux running through the core of the coil, then when you turn it off that flux collapses and induces whats called a Back EMF (electromotive force). that BEMF can then be captured in a storage capacitor and the energy can then be re-used to fire it next time.

With an efficient circuit setup it means you only need to put in a very small bit of extra charge each pulse to keep the magnet pulsing at full strength.

It's very similar to storing momentum in a mechanical system using elastic components or inertia which only loses energy to friction. In electromag you lose energy to circuit resistance, it's very similar.

I think if the effect is as it's described then mechanical or electrical will both work OK.

Let's just hope that the effect does hoodwink Lenz, then we're all laughing! :D

Best, Yucca.

What your describing reminds me of the Micro TPU.  Have you followed that thread?.. kind of a cool little circuit and I built it and it works for 10 to 120 minutes depending on the components used.  Members, including myself, tried to alter the circuit to make it better, but the original circuit works best.  This circuit is one of the most efficient circuits ever, but not OU.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3599.0

Jason

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #122 on: October 11, 2008, 10:29:00 PM »
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Offline 4Tesla

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #123 on: October 11, 2008, 10:31:42 PM »
Great discussion going on here.   
I thought of using the parts from one of those shake flashlights to do some testing. 
You can get one on EBay for under 8.00 US.   

Bill



Good Idea!  That would be a good way to collect the energy.. have the piston be a magnet!

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #124 on: October 11, 2008, 10:37:06 PM »
What your describing reminds me of the Micro TPU.  Have you followed that thread?.. kind of a cool little circuit and I built it and it works for 10 to 120 minutes depending on the components used.  Members, including myself, tried to alter the circuit to make it better, but the original circuit works best.  This circuit is one of the most efficient circuits ever, but not OU.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3599.0

Jason

Yeah it's exactly like that, I've not built one of those but I've read the thread. Would be cool to make a miniature electromechanical part that plugs into one of those existing circuilts so this effect can take it over unity. :)

Yucca.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #124 on: October 11, 2008, 10:37:06 PM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #125 on: October 12, 2008, 08:38:55 AM »
The animation is of using permanent magnets?  The TPU idea is cool, but for this application (separating plates) I think it has to be with permanent magnets as the power it would take to create a strong magnetic field to separate the plates or washers would be more than could be generated.  Looking forward to seeing your latest designs and animation.

Jason

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #126 on: October 12, 2008, 11:18:54 AM »
I have been able to confirm the basic "Separation" effect using Ferrite beads instead of washers.
I slipped 4 beads onto a carbon fiber rod and brought the rod between two attracting ceramic magnets, 1/2 inch gap.
The bead stack expanded from 19mm to 28mm when brought between the magnets.

The beads I used fit the rod perfectly, slid very easily with virtually no wiggle.  I won't be able to test energy ratios
or  if "OU" until I build some kind of real rig.


Parts Used
4 Ferrite beads Part #FB-43-2401 from Amidon Associates CA USA
1 Carbon Fiber Rod .198" (4.98mm)  X 24" Midwest Products
2 Ceramic Magnets 47x22x9 mm  Home Depot
2 small 1/4 inch thick pieces of acrylic used as magnet spacer for clamp
1 Small C-clamp 3" inner jaw, cast iron

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #126 on: October 12, 2008, 11:18:54 AM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #127 on: October 12, 2008, 07:10:05 PM »
 8) Thanks for sharing this.. very cool!

Jason

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #128 on: October 12, 2008, 08:28:10 PM »
You guys are unbelievable! I'm reading this forum for a long time now and the only thing I have to say is a big "CONGRATULATIONS" to everybody that tried hard to offer free energy to the world! Also, the latest news about OU are astonishing! 50:1??!! Keep up the good work, I wish you the best!

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #128 on: October 12, 2008, 08:28:10 PM »
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« Reply #129 on: October 13, 2008, 03:15:29 AM »
One drawing below is phase one, the other, phase two. In phase one allow the horseshoe magnet to center along side the steel elements and keep the elements in the locked position. Slide the counter weight in very small increments out along the lever bar till the horseshoe magnet breaks free. Mark the position of the counter weight.
Now as shown in phase two, do the exact same thing except allow the moving elements to separate first before moving the counter weight.
Now compare and see if it took the same amount of force to separate the horseshoe magnet when the washers are together and when they are separated.
Is the force needed more when the elements are separated? Is the force less when the elements are separated? Is the force needed the same in both phase one and phase two?
Record the distance moved by the horseshoe magnet to the break away point in both phases.
Remember the plastic washers had work done on them when they were moved by the separating elements.
Repeat the test five times.
If the work needed in phase one and two to remove the horseshoe magnet was the same or the work done in phase two removing the horse magnet was less, then the system is overunity.
There are many other points to consider here, but this is a good point to start at to see if there is clear, significant overunity going on.
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #130 on: October 13, 2008, 03:58:01 AM »
Thanks Butch,
I was thinking about making a pendulum rig, and your drawing gives me some ideas.
One of my ideas was to have the steel elements push a lever, kind of like a person pushing a kid on a swing, the "pushing hands" would be a repelling magnet. Problem is, somtimes these types of systems can get stuck. Have you built anything like this yourself?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #131 on: October 13, 2008, 05:05:10 AM »
I have been able to confirm the basic "Separation" effect using Ferrite beads instead of washers.
I slipped 4 beads onto a carbon fiber rod and brought the rod between two attracting ceramic magnets, 1/2 inch gap.
The bead stack expanded from 19mm to 28mm when brought between the magnets.

The beads I used fit the rod perfectly, slid very easily with virtually no wiggle.  I won't be able to test energy ratios
or  if "OU" until I build some kind of real rig.


Parts Used
4 Ferrite beads Part #FB-43-2401 from Amidon Associates CA USA
1 Carbon Fiber Rod .198" (4.98mm)  X 24" Midwest Products
2 Ceramic Magnets 47x22x9 mm  Home Depot
2 small 1/4 inch thick pieces of acrylic used as magnet spacer for clamp
1 Small C-clamp 3" inner jaw, cast iron

Can you tell me with the beads separated.. how strong is the force that spreads them apart?  Can you push them down?

Thanks,
Jason

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #132 on: October 13, 2008, 06:23:51 AM »
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Can you tell me with the beads separated.. how strong is the force that spreads them apart?  Can you push them down?

Thanks,
Jason


The beads can be pushed down with your baby finger. But as you can see in the photo, there must be at least enough force to lift three beads against gravity. I will see if I can measure the actual force it takes to force them together.  To do this properly, I will need to build a small test rig, which will take a few more days... Perhaps others here can shed some light on what core materials "separate" best. For some of my other projects, Metglas can't be beat, not cheap or easy to get though.

P.S.  For some reason, Amidon dosn't list weight or mass on their spec sheets, but here is their web site:  https://www.amidoncorp.com

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #133 on: October 13, 2008, 10:02:28 AM »

The beads can be pushed down with your baby finger. But as you can see in the photo, there must be at least enough force to lift three beads against gravity. I will see if I can measure the actual force it takes to force them together.  To do this properly, I will need to build a small test rig, which will take a few more days... Perhaps others here can shed some light on what core materials "separate" best. For some of my other projects, Metglas can't be beat, not cheap or easy to get though.

P.S.  For some reason, Amidon dosn't list weight or mass on their spec sheets, but here is their web site:  https://www.amidoncorp.com


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #134 on: October 13, 2008, 01:39:26 PM »
I did a test using neo mags with steel washers (of which may have become saturated in the strong magnetic field).  My test was just to see how much force there was between the washers.  To my suprise, there was very little.  The atrraction force of the neo's to the washers was much greater than the seperation force between the washers.  How does one intend to seperate the magnets from the washers if the attraction is so much greater?

 

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