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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 195797 times)

Offline flathunter

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2008, 07:53:34 PM »
Thanks Yucca and Wiz for sharing your ideas!!!

I'll be searching frantically for anything that even slightly resembles the last diagram.  Got plenty of strong magnets, but i'll probably end up with the rest being far from whats involved in the diagrams...

still, you have to try eh  :)

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2008, 08:10:36 PM »
Thanks Yucca and Wiz for sharing your ideas!!!

I'll be searching frantically for anything that even slightly resembles the last diagram.  Got plenty of strong magnets, but i'll probably end up with the rest being far from whats involved in the diagrams...

still, you have to try eh  :)

Hi flathunter, Yep, you've gotta try. Welcome to OU and best of luck wouth your ventures ;)

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #62 on: October 06, 2008, 09:02:13 PM »
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Offline flathunter

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2008, 09:47:53 PM »
any suggestions for where i get the steel strips?  Somewhere not on the net...im a cash only man.

some DIY ideas?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #64 on: October 06, 2008, 10:23:12 PM »
@all

I'm thinking that this type of magnetic action is more suited to use with a double acting
linear generator rather than convert to rotary motion.

Fix a centre plate and have the outer plates be the thrusting linear rotors on either side.

tak 

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Offline infringer

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2008, 12:50:57 AM »
Yucca looking at your design it would fight against itself...

If the influence is perpendicular and the push always seems to be up the magnets would follow the arcs..

..|
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So maybe an arc with a straight line might prove useful but only on 1 side...

I dunno maybe a pendulum may be the way to go as there is less friction with that then in a wheel after all we are in this to generate electricity not torque per say 1 unit over what is put into operation would be ideal...

I dunno though yucca what are your thoughts I would love to know them .

I wish there were a simple way to test this but I think your new unit may just remain stationary yucca.

But by all means if you have the means to test it please do hammer er out.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2008, 07:45:31 PM »
Hi Yucca,

Remember that the magnets need to be connected by steal (like a horse shoe..on the outer sides of the magnets).. I don't see this in your designs.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Offline Yucca

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2008, 11:43:17 PM »
any suggestions for where i get the steel strips?  Somewhere not on the net...im a cash only man.

some DIY ideas?

You should be able to find something at home depot or other DIY stores, sometimes you get flat steel brackets or connectors plates for joining wood with screws etc, the connector plates come in L and T shapes their for making frames up without the need for wood joints. A good tip is to take a magnet to the store with you to check that they are attracted. If you have the patience then you can use tin snips or strong scissors and cut up food tins (check with mag), then get the strips real flat and laminate them together and bind with electrical insulation tape, mind your fingers!

edit: you can also go to scrapyards or public refuse sites, mild steel is in loads of things that get thrown out like chassis of domestic electrical items etc.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2008, 11:48:10 PM »
Hi Yucca,

Remember that the magnets need to be connected by steal (like a horse shoe..on the outer sides of the magnets).. I don't see this in your designs.

Jason

hi Jason,

It is not needed but it does make the effect stronger because the flux accross the mags gets increased. I´ve tried without horseshoe arrangement and it does work. But I agree the design should be modified to make proper horseshoe mags by putting nice steel Us around the magsets.

yucca

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Offline Yucca

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2008, 11:55:57 PM »
Yucca looking at your design it would fight against itself...

If the influence is perpendicular and the push always seems to be up the magnets would follow the arcs..

..|
.(

So maybe an arc with a straight line might prove useful but only on 1 side...

I dunno maybe a pendulum may be the way to go as there is less friction with that then in a wheel after all we are in this to generate electricity not torque per say 1 unit over what is put into operation would be ideal...

I dunno though yucca what are your thoughts I would love to know them .

I wish there were a simple way to test this but I think your new unit may just remain stationary yucca.

But by all means if you have the means to test it please do hammer er out.

hi infringer,

I think the system would always try to enlarge the gap between the rotor and stator steels, thus it would always turn anticlockwise because that´s the way it must turn for the gaps to widen. note the large steels are fixed to the baseboard by brackets, the small steels are fixed to the wheel.

I will finish build ASAP, I have family visiting so alot of my spare time is used up right now. I found a nice piece of good mild steel strip out of a junked halogen wall light, more than enough for one rotor and one stator, i have the wheel with bearing finished, i now just need to make wooden brackets and supports up and then glue it all together. Whatever the result i will video and post to youtube.

yucca

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2008, 12:30:31 AM »
@all

I'm thinking that this type of magnetic action is more suited to use with a double acting
linear generator rather than convert to rotary motion.

Fix a centre plate and have the outer plates be the thrusting linear rotors on either side.

tak 

Yeah, that was my thought too. Keep this real simple. I think Stefan's idea to provide the input magnetic field with a coil is a good one as it is then easy to measure the power you are putting in. Stick with the initial diagram - a pile of washers on a dowel. Attach a coil former to the topmost washer. Wind an output coil around it, far enough from the input coil so that it is not influenced by it. Place a magnet next to this output coil and see what you can get out of it. Try different coils and different magnets and see if the input power is influenced or if the motion of the washers increases/decreases.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2008, 04:17:18 PM »
I was reviewing the designs and noted that the NEO magnets are arranged differently than with the  coil version (pole orientation). wouldn't this impact the effectiveness of the field imparting energy to the mild steel inductors? Just an observation.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2008, 06:21:04 PM »
Cheers for the advice Yucca  :)
Hope you get it rattling round endlessly on your first go.  Good luck!

And good thinking techobar.  Something practical to start with.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, Can we drop by?
« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2008, 10:06:03 PM »
Yucca,
If you get it running could we come by your shop or home to take a look at it running.
Regards,
Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #74 on: October 09, 2008, 11:12:43 AM »
Hi all.
Thought I'd let you know of an older version of this effect...and also another effect.

"the soft iron core never held the magnets (Flux), it pushed them out.

To prove it put five or six thin iron strips on edge, slant just so they will not flop over, now approach the ends of those strips with a magnet and you will see they flop over, hold the strips a little loose by the ends.(approach with magnet) then they will spread out  ;)
 I think this is enough to show that the soft iron never held those magnets (flux). It pushed them out."

"Set up the three-foot magnet so it can turn (steel rod on pivots, resting horizontal in Earth's field), put the coil with core in it (or the steel washers perhaps) in the U shape magnet, now approach the three-foot magnet's South Pole (from the west) with the U shape magnet's South Pole. As soon as the three-foot magnet begins to move you stop and mark the distance.

Take the coil away (or steel washers), approach again, as soon as the three-foot magnet begins to move away, then stop and mark the distance, then you will see how much strength the U shape magnet lost while you were pushing the coil in and halfway out, of the U shape magnet.

The U shape magnet was losing its strength up to the time it began to break away from the iron core, but during the time the U shape magnet broke away it regained its strength.

The breaking away from the iron core recharged the U shape magnet, then it became normal again and ready for the next start. During the recharging the new supply of magnets (flux) came from the air or the earth's magnetic field. Now we see how the magnetic currents are made by the U shape magnet."

"You already know that before the coil got in between the U shape magnet prongs, those little individual magnets (flux) were running out of the U shape magnet prongs in all directions, but as soon as the coil's core (steel washers perhaps) came in effective distance from the U shape magnet's prongs then these little individual magnets (flux) began to run in the core and coil and kept running until the core broke away from the U shape magnet prongs."

Ed Leedskalnin.... ;D  1946.
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