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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 195874 times)

Offline Koen1

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #285 on: October 30, 2008, 05:39:42 PM »
Butch,

I hadn't thought of that yet... indeed, it may be intended to make you look bad.
Not that it works, 'cause everyone who understands the concept will see that
the coil is wrong, and will know that it should be a normal "horizontal" coil.

Aside from that, do you really think such a setup would produce more
energy at that coil than it would need to cause the movement of the magnet
which causes the induction of that output?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #286 on: October 30, 2008, 07:35:31 PM »
Butch,

I hadn't thought of that yet... indeed, it may be intended to make you look bad.
Not that it works, 'cause everyone who understands the concept will see that
the coil is wrong, and will know that it should be a normal "horizontal" coil.

Aside from that, do you really think such a setup would produce more
energy at that coil than it would need to cause the movement of the magnet
which causes the induction of that output?

Koen,
Yes I do if it was operated at resonance.
Butch

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« Reply #287 on: October 30, 2008, 07:38:41 PM »
The work from expansion of the elements during approach would have to be recovered for closing them.
See attached drawing.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte

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« Reply #287 on: October 30, 2008, 07:38:41 PM »
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You won't believe the video I'm uploading of test Mark did
« Reply #288 on: October 30, 2008, 09:09:32 PM »
I will have it up in next hour. The ratio of pull in force to pull out force with the test fixture modified is amazing and we still have VERY many more ways to increase it.
Hang on,
Butch

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Look at this amazing video of test Mark did!!!!
« Reply #289 on: October 30, 2008, 10:30:50 PM »
I believe the work ratio can be increased as much as 4 times what you see in this video!
Enjoy,
Butch LaFonte
See link > http://www.youtube.com/user/LaFonteGroup

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Look at this amazing video of test Mark did!!!!
« Reply #289 on: October 30, 2008, 10:30:50 PM »
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Offline infringer

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #290 on: October 30, 2008, 11:08:48 PM »
could you not make a coil around the washers themselves and see if they still spread and generate power at the same time or maybe have the washers as magnets instead like someone else suggested earlier in the thread?

not to piss on anybodies parade but this sounds like a worthy thing to look into...

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #291 on: October 30, 2008, 11:34:33 PM »
I just scanned the thread and was surprised that no one has realized the effect described is a macroscopic analog of negative magnetostriction.
The same effect you see in a stack of washers happens at a molecular level in most feromagnetic materials -- it is called magnetistriction. Materials like iron and cobalt have positive magnetostriction coefficients-- which means they elongate along the direction of magnetic field and shrink tangentially. Materials like Nickel have a negative coefficient and shrink lengthwise but grow tangentially to the magnetic field.

In a solid material you can tune magnetoeleastic effect to achieve magnetoacoustic resonance -- something that would be extremely difficult in the devices you are making.

Dating right back to Hans Coler's devices there is evidence that magnetoacoustic resonance is a viable method for generating excess energy.

It was noted earlier in my post, people didnt seem to like it though.

"from...Magnetism in dense hexagonal iron
Gerd Steinle-Neumann,*† Lars Stixrude,‡ and Ronald E. Cohen§

in reference to iron in a magnetic field "magnetism tends to expand the lattice and increase the compressibility as compared with the nonmagnetic state."

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #291 on: October 30, 2008, 11:34:33 PM »
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Offline BEP

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #292 on: October 31, 2008, 12:11:05 AM »
@Mark

I must agree this is a macro version of one axis of magnetostrictive movement.

@Infringer

If you were referring to my comment about looking at this project from a different angle I didn't mean to imply I would use washer shaped magnets instead of washers. My idea has no washers in it, other than common fasteners used as such.

EDIT>>

@Butch

WOW! Big difference. Increasing the usage of a fixed amount of force or increasing the force? I'm starting to wonder.

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Permanent magnets on magnet motor 6
« Reply #293 on: October 31, 2008, 02:28:46 AM »
could you not make a coil around the washers themselves and see if they still spread and generate power at the same time or maybe have the washers as magnets instead like someone else suggested earlier in the thread?

not to piss on anybodies parade but this sounds like a worthy thing to look into...

-infringer-
Infringer,
Look at magnet motor 6 on our youtube site, it uses permanent magnets.
Link > http://www.youtube.com/user/LaFonteGroup
Butch

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Permanent magnets on magnet motor 6
« Reply #293 on: October 31, 2008, 02:28:46 AM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #294 on: October 31, 2008, 04:48:49 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this entire thread based on the idea that the in and out forces are more or less the same, and that the expansion force between the washers is "free" energy?  Butch's video has made it clear that significant energy will be required to "escape" with the washers expanded, or energy will be required to compress the washers for an easier escape. As you can't have your cake and eat it too, we are now left with two choices: Going in expanded or going in compressed. Even if one method yields more energy than consumed, a portion of the energy is still needed to escape.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #295 on: October 31, 2008, 06:13:56 AM »
Derricka,
The washers go in expanded when the pull is greatest and then they are compressed while in line with the stator and exit in the compressed fashion. We made measurements and the work to compress the washers is 2 to 3 times less than the work available due to the reduced pull during exit. Also a second option is the washers could be allowed to expand during approach doing work and that work used to compress them while in the stator. We are running more tests and hope to increase the ratio of pull in to pull out many times over what it is now. What we are seeing here is a discovery in addition to our previous invention. I feel both will work as well as many other configurations and operating principles based on the Perpendicular Magnetics principle. It's a field day for overunity research with this. We are working around the clock to test and document all that we are finding. The electrical version and permanent magnet version are both workable I feel and in different operating modes also. Everyone please build and test your ideas and show on video.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #295 on: October 31, 2008, 06:13:56 AM »
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Offline nightlife

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #296 on: October 31, 2008, 06:41:12 AM »
I'll be damn. Great find. I have a design figured out that will work with this concept.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #297 on: October 31, 2008, 08:19:14 AM »
Sounds like all that is needed is to have a plastic roller on the end of the washers and a plastic track to keep it confined on the way out, until past the influence of the magnets. 

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #298 on: October 31, 2008, 10:02:45 AM »
Hi all !

Butch experiment shows that when washers are distanced - much more force is needed to move/remove magnets which makes
linear moving of magnet from one w.stack to another w.stack very inneficient.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5064.0;attach=26918 (magnet movement is inneficient if washers stack is between - if identical (static) metal parts are used inbetween magnet moves left-right easily)

how to make it efficient ?

1. washers in Butch exp. are really too thin (so when they are concentrated - they gatther only small ammount of field lines from wide magnets)

2a. washers really should be rectangular

2b. use of "field path directors" is must
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5064.0;attach=27242
wich will render that when washers are concentrated allso flux lines are concentrated and all of the field is able to pass through washers. (again if washers not too thin).

so now this works (magents with path directors are easily moved, cause complete flux now goes through washers no matter how washers are positioned)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5064.0;attach=27140


@Butch - since you have experiment setup on the table can you please make it like this - four or five washers glued (to get one thick enough), and between magnets some permeable material for "path directors-concentrators" and then meassure how much weight it can stand. both should be SAME high weight.

Wiz
 

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #299 on: October 31, 2008, 11:36:58 AM »
Hello Honoured Profiles and The Honoured Administrator
of This Honourable OVER-UNITY-Forum !!

Thanks about Your important interesting continued going-on
Discussions per Replies to Replies.......
please mention more of Texts-Themes and Photos and Links !!

Might I kindly briefly write :

"Every-one is talking about The Weather.....,
 though seemingly No-one does some to The Weather.....!! "

Well-then....
at least a lot of subtle cryptical Replies-texts
mention "some" of PRE-situated-OU Details.......

and "WHY" should the REAL OU-Methods in fact just be un-vealed.........
without to make some cares for Benefits of various Means....!!

Of course that such DIALOGUES per Replies to Replies DO are
delicate & sensitive about :
NOT TO UN-VEAL TOO MUCH OF OWN OU-RESULTS
FOR
TO GET MORE OU-INFORMATIONS FROM SURDEN OTHER
OU-EXPERIMENTERS...!!

Might I kindly soon again return to This Honourable OVER-UNITY-Forum
for to "barely-just-NOT-un-veal" about
"SOME"
 ABOUT SOCALLED MATHS-PRODUCTS of [ Voltages(Time) x Currents(Time) ]...........
like i.e. "Phases-Angles"......"Reactive-Effects"......etc !!

WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and Weekend and a pleasant Early Winter
and Fruitfull Theoretical/Experimental Results !

And Thanks about Your All of important interesting Contributions to
The Course of OU  !!

And Joyfull Halloween........!!

And THEN :  Merry Xmas 2008 & Happy NewYear 2009...Hooo-hoooo !!

 

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