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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 195930 times)

Butch

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« Reply #195 on: October 17, 2008, 07:24:51 PM »
This is the first of five test videos done by Mark years ago. I want you all to watch it and please tell me what think you see going on in the test, the results that is.
Here is the link > http://www.fdp.nu/shared/files/ButchLaFonte/Perpendicular%20Magnetics/Test1.mov
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #196 on: October 17, 2008, 08:12:40 PM »
Very hard to see the needle on the meter.  Did see it move near the end.

Jason

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #197 on: October 17, 2008, 08:27:36 PM »
Very hard to see the needle on the meter.  Did see it move near the end.

Jason
Jason,
Mark is showing with his hand the direction the needle is moving. It's the direction that is important. What do you make of the direction of the needle movements in relation to what he is doing with the bars?
Butch

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #197 on: October 17, 2008, 08:27:36 PM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #198 on: October 17, 2008, 09:58:52 PM »
Re: my earlier post on ferrite bead separation.
I have now measured the force that it takes to close the gap, at 28 grams.  (still in finger pressure range, but more than I expected!)
I did this by placing a 54mm plastic separator tube (1gram) on top of the beads (to keep additional mass out of magnetic influence)
I then added 27 grams of additional beads and washers on top of the separator tube.  which left a gap of less than 1mm between the four beads.
Each bead in the photo weighs 1.3 grams. (10 beads measured together at 13 grams)

From what I can tell, separated beads or elements do take a bit more work to pull from the magnet, then unseparated elements. so this is not a total free lunch situation.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #199 on: October 18, 2008, 12:03:26 AM »
Jason,
Mark is showing with his hand the direction the needle is moving. It's the direction that is important. What do you make of the direction of the needle movements in relation to what he is doing with the bars?
Butch

Hi Butch,

When Mark pushes in the bars the needle goes to the left: means the current becomes a bit less. And when he pulls them out, the needle goes a little to the right: means some current increase. Also when the bars separate the needle goes to the left: current decrease.

Is this what you mean?

rgds,  Gyula

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Butch

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #200 on: October 18, 2008, 01:16:00 AM »
Hi Butch,

When Mark pushes in the bars the needle goes to the left: means the current becomes a bit less. And when he pulls them out, the needle goes a little to the right: means some current increase. Also when the bars separate the needle goes to the left: current decrease.

Is this what you mean?

rgds,  Gyula
Gyula,
Yes you see it correctly. The first tests years ago were very discouraging. They showed that the bars repelling each other caused a counter EMF that opposed the voltage/current from the power supply. This is not a constant reluctance circuit.
Butch

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Re: Early test video of basic principle, LaFonte Group
« Reply #201 on: October 18, 2008, 03:07:48 AM »
This is the first of five test videos done by Mark years ago. I want you all to watch it and please tell me what think you see going on in the test, the results that is.
Here is the link > http://www.fdp.nu/shared/files/ButchLaFonte/Perpendicular%20Magnetics/Test1.mov
Thanks Guys,
Butch

Hi Butch,
good video.

We can see here, that the principle works.
We only have to look at the part of the movie, when the 2 iron rods
are inside the external core.

When Mark is pressing the 2 rods together, the ampmeter does not move
very much and when he releases them, so they will
again go apart abount an inch, also the ampmeter does not move much.

So you see, that the inductance of the whole coil-core system is not much changed during these
events.

Better would still have been, if Mark would have put the 2 iron rods ontop of each other into the external
coil-core.
Then one rod would have been lifted up and then even the ampmeter would have shown less movement,
when one rod was lifted up by the repellation forces between the 2 iron rods.

To control then the 2 iron rods,one needs only to
switch on and off the coil with short pulses from the power supply and put a cap in parallel with the coil
and have this LC circuit have the same resonance frequency as the iron rod
movement frequency and the power supply pulse frequency.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Offline BEP

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #202 on: October 18, 2008, 03:31:14 AM »
I think one of the important facts is the current returns to the original point whether the bars are together or separated.

Another important point is this 'original point' is a static result. I believe @poynt99 made that point already. Lenz is part of this during the separation and combination of the flux.

To me, this demonstrates one reason to not use electronics and coils in place of magnets.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #203 on: October 18, 2008, 08:17:36 AM »
I just had a crazy idea. I thought about the repulsion between the washer "plates" and turned it upside down to think attraction instead. Attracting plates would be a charged capacitor. Repelling plates should be a capacitor "charged" with inverse power.  Then I had an even crazier idea. What would happen if you shorted (or loaded) the plates either just approaching or just leaving the magnets....?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #204 on: October 18, 2008, 10:26:58 AM »
I just had a crazy idea. I thought about the repulsion between the washer "plates" and turned it upside down to think attraction instead. Attracting plates would be a charged capacitor. Repelling plates should be a capacitor "charged" with inverse power.  Then I had an even crazier idea. What would happen if you shorted (or loaded) the plates either just approaching or just leaving the magnets....?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #205 on: October 18, 2008, 11:08:08 AM »
Hello Honoured OverUnity-Forum-Profiles and
an especial Hello to the Honoured Administator of
the OverUnity-Forum !!

Thanks about Your fruitfull interesting continued going-on
Discussions per Replies to Replies founded on the
original Topic´s Idea !!

Might I kindly briefly just merely comment by these few
Aspects-Points :

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The H-fields-Properties of various mu-r-permeabilities-materials
 DO ARE rather especial to would realize about and
calculate on........
for multi-many "small" local H-dipoles and H-multi-poles per
H-influenses to H-influenses
when being exposed to an external H-field.......

as an e.g. to kindly refer to Historical Magneto-Statics
about the Circumstance about :
>>how to would define and state about the socalled
>>internal mu-r-permeabilities-materials-own-H-field
>>versus the outer-from-material-H-field caused by
>>the materials´s multi-many local "small" H-dipoles <<
a rather especial Wordings-Term was used in Classical
Magneto-Statics about a such internal-materials-H-field !!

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Yes....about The LENZ´s LAW.......Yes.......well-then :

the socalled LENZ´s LAW is "just" a socalled Physics-Mathematics-
Expressions-Theoreme......
FOR HOW IS IT IN FACT IN "FUNCTIONAL NATURE.......
HOW IS IT IN FACT "DERIVED" FROM WHAT ASSUMPTIONS.....
etc.....etc.....  !!

IT DOES IS POSSIBLE TO "xxxx-PASS" THE LENZ´s LAW
BY SURDEN METHODS..........!!

WHEN THERE IS EVALUATED ABOUT THE "REAL NATURE" OF
THE LENZ´s LAW ,
THEN IS ALSO THE METHODS OF "xxxx-PASSING"  THE
LENZ´s LAW  "GIVEN"....!!

***********************************************************************

Often/sometimes it might be "fruitfull" to would realize about "Coils"
"instead" of the mu-r-permeabilities-materials in surden Situations...
i.e. when having a "slim" long permeabilities-rod like a socalled
"ferrites-radio-receivers-antenna-rod"...........
allthough a "Coil" might seemingly "be" rather like a socalled
"para-magnetical"-Property...........still also the "Coil" might
be expressable as a sort of "permeability" ==>> though all depending
on the Analyzings-Assumptions as made to the specific Situation !!

***********************************************************************

YES.......HOW CLOSE YOU ARE.......HOW CLOSE.......
when the Discussion also involves a "Coil" and the mu-r-permeabilities-
Objects..................
just a relevant Modification of the SEtUp asmentioned in the
hitherto Discussion would "make" a "well-performing-few-procentes"
OU-acting.............YES........the "Coil" as included  also will "perform"
well....!!

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The importances of the socalled GRADIENTES of the
H-fields............might I kindly refer to (my) former Discussions-
Notes with i.e. the Honourable STEORN-GROUP
(though They wanted to invite some "chosen" Scientists/Technicians
(not me) to "behold" by DEMO-viewings the STEORN-GROUP´s
OU-Construction !!

And might I kindly refer to (my) Topics in
 the now-gone-past Heffects-John-Hutchison-
Effects-Forum...........
and (my) Topics in the still being ezboard-founded Heffects-
John-Hutchison-Forum...........
about the importances of "Gradientes" of Classical Force-Fields
in Means of OU-Actings......!!

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YES........about to would calculate on the Classical H-fields-lines
per the socalled nearly 200-Years-old-BIOT-SAVART-emperically-
suggested-H-fields-electro-magnetical-Formalism............

YES......it is easy to say : YES........though to would per
"exact" Mathematical Formalisms attempt to
easily EXPRESS SUCH
> Electro-magnetical Coil´s H-fields<........
mostly NOT as easy to "just" "do"....i.e. with kind References to
involved HYPER-GEOMETRICAL-MATHEMATICAL-FORMALISMS,etc....

though at least p.t. it is fairly easy to would EXPRESS
Classical Electro-Magnetics H-fields-"lines" per
Computer-Based NUMERICAL-CALCULATIONS.......!!

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WKR & have Yourself a nice day and Weekend and
a late Autumn and Fruitfull Experimental/Theoretical Results !

Have Yourself Benefits from Your respective various many hardlabored Doings !

And Thanks about Your idealistical important Sciense-Enthusiasms !

And You All work and perform GRAND as compared to
surden Dogmes-Physics-too-established-Institutions !

Your hardlabored Doings and Workings will be remembered and praised about !
 

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #206 on: October 18, 2008, 01:05:11 PM »
Wow this fanner magnet gizmo mentioned earlier is really cool. I've never seen one before. If I take two crispy cream donuts and place them on a really big horse shoe hummmm? I might be able to squeeze my way in to get my coffee at dunkin donuts.
 

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« Reply #207 on: October 18, 2008, 03:16:27 PM »
@Doug1

Unless you can produce the related math, some drawings, video and test results I can only assume you are a policeman.


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #208 on: October 18, 2008, 03:53:18 PM »
Hi all !

This stack fanner idea, except for Free Energy extraction (and lots of it) - cause magnetic field is free, can be used as it is without moving magnets as spring - very efficient magnetic spring or even dumper for automotive aplications...I mean there is no any possibilty magnet will ware off due to overcounterpolarization. Finally Magnetic Dumpers possible  :D  :D  :D...even extraction of energy (if made as variable reluctance - washer can go out of field) when bumping on the roads...tremendous possibilites with these thingees...or energy absorbers-redirectors when cars crash...

When someone builds a factory of such springs or dumpers send me a first Million of profit - this no joke at all, it is worth even more.

Still kicking some serious crap out of unbelievers asses. Stupid Unbelievers go away from this forum you are allways wrong.

Wiz



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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #209 on: October 18, 2008, 05:04:44 PM »
Hi guys, I started reading this thread with a keen interest.  Then I got busy and haven't had the chance to come back to it till now.  I would like to offer an idea/opinion.  This is a very interesting concept but the main task is going to be how you alter the magnetic field across the washers (I guess I'll call them washers for now even though they can be just about anything - beads, metal donuts, etc.)  Although I'm not totally convinced that it maintains a constant inductance across the gap, it does appear that the inductance change is small.  It seems like everyone is trying to devise a way of using electromagnets to change the field. 

So I would like to offer a different idea.  Have any of you ever used a magnetic base?  I work in laser research and we use these things a lot in our optical setups - they work well with our giant steel tables.  This Wikipedia page explains how they work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_base

When the V part of the holder is against steel, you can turn the diametrically magnetized magnet very easily.  However, if you hold it in air, you'll find it very difficult to turn the magnet to the "on" position.  Basically when a ferrous metal is bridging the gap to the V, it allows a path for the flux to flow in the "on" position and the magnet will spin very easily. 

Well, this would suit this project perfectly!!!  If you placed your dowel rod with washers in the V part of this holder, then (assuming the inductance does not change much in the gap) the diametric magnet should be easily rotated.  As you rotate the magnet, the washers will move back and forth.  If the inductance is really constant, placing a load on the washers should not affect the magnet rotation.  I think you'll find this method very easy to construct and should work way better than an electromagnet.  I've included a picture of the setup for clarity - I have not tried this and don't really have the time. 

If anything, this will quickly allow you to determine how the system works.  If the magnet is hard to move when the washers are forced in the "closed" position (aka heavily loaded), then this is not a constant inductance gap and probably would not produce overunity.  However, if the rotation is easy to spin regardless of washer loading, then we have a great step forward!

Hope it helps,
Charlie

 

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