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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 202112 times)

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #180 on: October 16, 2008, 12:57:02 AM »
Hi Butch, Look forward to the video.

P.S.
Thanks for starting this thread :)

Yucca.
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Yucca,
Your welcome, I just hope that it works out as planned so that greed does not come into play and everyone ends up paying so much for the units that it's not much different than paying a power bill or gasoline bill. I would like to see kits and/or plans made available world wide as well as very inexpensive units for cars and homes. Who knows what will happen once India, China, Japan and Mexico among others get wind of this.
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #181 on: October 16, 2008, 07:16:12 AM »
Those products from Shinyeon are very cool.. they have done some great work.  Does anyone know how the magnet motor works?  Could we build a simpler version of it?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #182 on: October 16, 2008, 10:47:32 AM »
By continually exerting the washers to a magnetic field will they not become magnetized ?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #182 on: October 16, 2008, 10:47:32 AM »
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Offline Kator01

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #183 on: October 16, 2008, 03:37:01 PM »
No Braden,

there are many materials available e.g. special iron-laminations for transformers which have no residual induction
( remanence). Oherwise transformer-technique would not be possible.
We will  not use simple washers you can buy in your hobby-shop.

Kator

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #184 on: October 16, 2008, 05:23:37 PM »
koen1!

1.http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2222.msg130730#msg130730
and many other experiments.
don't be affraid to call it Magnetic transistor,
So let me get this straight...
You point me toward a magnetic motor which uses a permanent magnet in the core,
and you want me to call it a "magnetic transistor"?
Why? Why don't you stop calling it a "magnetic transistor" and start calling it a "magnetic motor with a pm in the core",
a.k.a. "permanent magnet assisted electromotor"?
What is the transistor element?
I do NOT see a device where we can input a magnetic field momentarily, and that magically amplifies this field to produce
a much stronger field output.
What I do see is a more efficient and interesting electromotor.
Perhaps you pointed me toward the wrong thread?

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Permanent magnet is flux capacitor, only difference is it is allmost Infinite.
Since you are so very adamant, please indicate how you think you can store additional flux inside
a magnet, hold it there, and only later extract it, leaving you with the flux you just took from the magnet,
and a magnet that is less magnetic untill you "charge" it with flux again...?
That would be a flux capacitor.
But you can't do that with a permanent magnet.

In my opinion, a permanent magnet is more like a "magnetic" Electret. Which is sort of a self-charging
capacitor, as far as the field lines are concerned. Like a magnet, an electret has a permanent static field
around it. And you cannot use an electret as a normal capacitor, just like you cannot use a magnet
as a "flux capacitor".

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We all know what magnetic resistor is and how it is made.
We can allso make magnetic diode.

I must say I have some trouble with your tendency to talk about magnetic flux as if it is electric current.
I would prefer if you'd call a flux gate a flux gate and not a "magnetic diode", because a "magnetic diode"
is a term that was once used for tubes in which electrons were allowed to pass or were blocked, depending
on the direction and intensity of a circular magnetic field which was induced by coils on a ring shaped core.
A "flux gate" on the other hand is a setup that allows flux to pass only in one direction. It has nothing
to do with electron flow, and so it is not a diode at all, or perhaps it might be termed a "flux diode" at best.
Same thing with the "magnetic resistor", it is possible to increase the electrical resistance of certain (semi-)conductors
by increasing a magnetic field that passes through the material. This would be a magnetic resistor.
If you are talking about a device that restricts the passage of magnetic flux through a material, you shouldn't
use the term "resistor", as that implies electrical resistivity and not flux permeability.

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Magnetic transistor can not work without filled capacitor (or battery) - just like transistor can't. the difference is magnet is Infinite,current battery and capacitors are not. soon we will have magnetic schematics of some device.

If you do not admitt to yourself magnetic transistor (or call it what you like) effect exists and that it is so, there is nothing left for you to understand. Interesting as hero member you believe in energy amplification (transistor powered by void) but can not believe in magnetic amplification (transistor powered by magnet) !?! why is it so ?
No, it is not that I deny any possibility that we might be able to somehow amplify energy and use magnetic fields in the process.
It is that your posts seem more enthousiastic than realistic. It's almost like you're shouting "gold! gold!" while all I see at the moment is something shiny.
And we all know, not everything shiny is a piece of gold. :)
Your simplistic view of magnetic "capacitors" and your fairly aggressive attempts to convert me instead of convincing me on the basis of logical argumentation,
strengthen my impression that you are not as superbly informed as you seem to believe. You seem to jump to conclusions and casually use incorrect terminology
now and then, and then you even manage to be surprised when I am a bit critical instead of gullible?

Anyway, you're still not making much sense in your explanation of the washer seperation.
If the flux must remain the same in the zone where the washers are, so that the magnets can be easily removed from eachothers attraction,
then your "overlapping" magnetic field will simply replace the initial field, and the washers will never really move, will they?
If they do move, there must be a period during which the washers do not experience a field. If that is so, then there must be no magnets
attracting eachother on either side of the washers. If that is so, the magnets must have been (re)moved. But that would mean moving the
magnets away from the washers and eachother such a distance that for a moment, no field passes through the washers.
And that seems to be in conflict with the idea of simultaneously moving a second magnet set in place to keep the flux the same and
thereby reduce the "drag"...
You can't use the magnetic equilibrium principle to keep the flux the same and simultaneously replace one set of magnets by another set,
and at the same time have the flux drop to zero to allow the washers fall back down. Either the flux stays, the washers stay, and the magnet
sets are switched, or the first magnet set is removed, the flux goes, the washers drop, the second magnet set is placed, the flux builds,
the washers seperate again. The first sounds like a futile magnet switching excercise, the second sounds like a useless and certainly not
energy effcient moving of magnets to make the flux come and go.
Unless you have omitted a fairly important part of the setup as you envision it, this is all I can make of your story.

Oh, and by the way, if it is possible to move pairs of magnets closer to and away from eachother without any
energy loss (which I doubt and still want to hear explained but let's just assume it is possible for now),
then would it not be more usefull to place coils directly between the moving magnets and extract the output
power directly from the fluctuations in flux intensity between the magnets? Seems like using those fluctuations
to physically move a piston which in turn moves another magnet through a coil is not the most efficient way
(physical friction in the system causing more energy loss than a still-lying coil)...?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #184 on: October 16, 2008, 05:23:37 PM »
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Offline broli

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #185 on: October 16, 2008, 05:40:10 PM »
Koen1 if you have time to post such big post, that only people like you read anyway, which are filled with your godly knowledge you should better actually conduct some experiments. Your posts contain 0% food for the mind or something constructive unlike the people you're arguing with. I'm surprised wizkycho is even responding. You can think of me as you like after this post, but most people are here for one thing and that is free energy. And not the same old ego stroking from people like you that get a boner from "telling off" those dumb free energy believers. You are in the wrong community my friend.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #186 on: October 16, 2008, 05:54:26 PM »
No, it seems you are in the wrong community.
Although your need for food for the mind does explain why you don't seem to use it much.
In this post of yours you do exactly what you want me not to do: you tell me off, you do not
add anything constructive, and you do not add any "food for thought" either.

Pot calling kettle black kinda thing again eh?

But besides that, you are not getting the point. I am not trying to put anyone off,
I am trying to get someone to explain clearly and in detail how they envision
a setup where the simple "fanning out" of washers can produce 50 times more energy
than the energy used to make the washers "fan out".

If you are so brilliant, my friend, then why don't you explain it to me?
Where is the energy gain, how do you get the magnets to seperate without them
needing energy input to counter their magnetic attraction, and if you do so by
moving a second set closer so that the flux remains at the same level, then how
do you get the washers to experience a flux decrease at the same time?

It is a remarkable feat to accuse someone who has been expressing his desire
to have this explained in detail which is definately a constructive intent,
of being inconstructive and argumentative, while doing exactly the same yourself.
Bravo.

If you prefer fellow forum visitors that collectively shout agreement and fanaticism,
perhaps you should go to your local church or mosk, instead of a dicussion forum
about energy physics?

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Offline wizkycho

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #187 on: October 16, 2008, 06:43:27 PM »
Hi Koen1 !

If You just embrase the term Magnetic Transistor - Your post would be only two words and every one would know what are you talking about.

Term Magnetic Transistor - aside from very close principle of work (not medium) simmilarity to current transistor (small current at input controling large currents at output) - weak mag flux strenght controling much stronger magnetic flux, SEE the simmilarity...

Term Magnetic Transistor is good for our research and for free energy and OU developmnet in a way that many people knows how revolutionary discovery of transistor was indeed. Exact or even more attention deserves this well prooven method of controling strong mag flux with weaker magnetic flux at input - Magnetic Transistor is revolutionary in a way that is capable of using Infinite source of medium (for the first time in known history) and that source is within perm.magnet. Magnetic Transistor is revolutionary allso that If properly used
can lead to development of Energy Transistor --> make world peace very realistic possiblity --> deep space exploration --> colonization of planets with none life support atmosfere and soil --> etc. (all of it for the first time possible in known  human history)...

So carry with me Transistor Flag. Nobody heard of an electret (only few)

everything else you speak of is linguistic debate.

Wiz

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #188 on: October 16, 2008, 06:56:28 PM »
And Koen1

You are Rude (COP 500) beyond comprehension - new term Overrudity and measuring unit is 1 Koen = 500 times of just beeing pissed.
agree ?

Anybody from goverments staff pays you to be so agitated - have any interest at all for beeing so agitated ?

Please show me the link of one of Your constructive posts.

If You can't --> don't quote me anymore.

And Koen Don't get Nude And Rude at a same time. You are not Iggy Pop

This is provoked mail cause You are beeeing so so Rude...

Wiz

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #189 on: October 16, 2008, 11:21:29 PM »
@Gentlemen?
@Ladies?

Ideas are always of some value. Not always useable but there is value there.

For the magnetic transistor cult may I suggest reading up on mag-amps or magnetic amplifiers. Sorry, that idea is already taken and you probably have one in your home.

Electrets uncommon? Again, look around. I know I have two and maybe a third. They are in the form of a microphone from radioshack. An electret is the charge equivalent of a permanent magnet.

Flux capacitor? Boy that is a tough one! You can drain a capacitor to do work. Same for a magnet (as it looses magnetism) but it isn't doing the work it will only be part of the process.

I hope this thread leads to proving the last statement wrong.

I must think about the other concepts but my soup and crackers are currently in the way.


BTW: Mag-Amps were replaced by transistors. Mag-Amps(magnetic transistors) are still used today.

As far as magnetic diodes... @EMDevices found and posted detailed information on a bridge rectifier that was of the mag-amp variety. Yes magnetic diodes did and may still exist. I have no idea how good they were ;D


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #190 on: October 17, 2008, 01:06:43 AM »
A flux capacitor???    Something that internally increases flux as energy is added to it. Then decreases flux as energy is removed from it. Sound like an inductor to me.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #191 on: October 17, 2008, 02:01:45 PM »
Nobody heard of an electret (only few)

everything else you speak of is linguistic debate.

That only shows how little you know of anything.
"nobody heard of electret" hah!
What nonsense. If you haven't heard of the term "electret", then you
clearly know very little about electrical theory.

And while my pointing out that you are structurally using incorrect terminology
is indeed somewhat linguistically inclined, I feel I need to point out to you
that the terminology signifies very clear concepts in physics, and just
mixing them up is plainly confusing and makes you say incorrect things.
You may think that mixing terminology for electrical resistivity phenomena
and those for magnetic permeability and flux density phenomena does not
mean anything, but it certainly does. Not only does mixing them show how
confused you appear to be concerning the concepts themselves, or at least
how little you seem to understand of the crucial difference between electricity
and magnetism, but also it makes it a lot less clear what exactly you are talking about.
If you say "resistance" but you mean "decreased flux permeability", that's
quite a huge difference in what you're talking about. Yes, linguistics, but no,
not at all unimportant to use the right words.
Besides, weren't you the guy who flamed my very first post for missing words?
Am I seeing this right here? Is that same guy now telling me that the exact words
are not that important? Contradictory attitude, sir.

@BEP: I agree.

@Tempest: well, I guess that depends on how you look at it...
In my view, a capacitor is a simple device in which we can store electrical charges.
That is, we can connect it to a source of electrostatic potential difference,
and said potential difference will be "absorbed" by and stored in the capacitor,
untill we connect the capacitor in such a way that enables us to connect the
potential difference stored in it via a conductor, which allows the potential difference
to disappear as electrical charge is allowed to flow through the conductor to cancel
out the charge difference.
Crucial here is that the energy fed into it is in the form of electrostatic potential,
and the energy that comes out is in the same form.

Now to do so with magnetic flux, would yield a device that is fed magnetic flux,
then store that, untill we connect a magnetic material (which is permeable to flux)
so that the stored magnetistatic potential difference can disappear as the flux
passes through the magnetic material and cancels out the magnetostatic potential difference.
Crucial here is that we feed it magnetic flux, and the energy that comes out is
in the form of magnetic flux.

An inductor in general is fed with electric current and produces magnetic flux, or is fed with flux fluctuations
and produces current. In a way, it "transduces" electrical energy into magnetic "energy".

May seem like a small difference, but it is quite a significant difference in my opinion.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #192 on: October 17, 2008, 02:24:40 PM »
Flux-Capacitor:

A superconductor is a material that carries electric current without any loss of energy. Currents lose energy as they flow through normal wires. This energy loss appears as a voltage drop across the material--the voltage of the current as it enters the material is higher than the voltage of the current when it leaves the material. But in a superconductor, the current doesn't lose any voltage at all. As a result, currents can even flow around loops without stopping. Currents are magnetic and superconducting magnets are based on the fact that once you get a current flowing around a loop of superconductor, it keeps going forever and so does its magnetism.


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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #193 on: October 17, 2008, 03:31:37 PM »
As long as you keep the superconductor cooled to at least 150 Kelvin
(with the newest cuprate superconductors, the old ones need 50K or lower)
and that still takes a huge lot of energy. Take that into account in the
energy calculations of your "eternal" inductor, and it becomes quite
inefficient...

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #194 on: October 17, 2008, 06:26:48 PM »

I very well know what electret is. Other people (with different experitze) doesn't at all.
But what they do know is importance of Invention of Transistor that it had and still has in todays life of common everyday people.
Mag-amp WORD is unfortunately allso forgotten by everyone even those who study electricity.
 
What I clearly said is that Mag-amp deserves reincarnation cauise mainstream science still teaches our children that "static" field of
permanent magnet means nothing but to hold to the refrigerator. With mag-amp or mag-trans we are now able to OSCILLATE (CHANGE in TIME) strenght of INFINITE mag field. This is what is revolutionary here. CHANGE is only way to proof exsistance of real kinetic energy (so mainstream science must now agree). CHANGE is ENERGY and vice versa. Especially helpfull is if  that change can be made with smaller ammount of same media (flux) at the input. Allso if used properly magnetic transistor can be part of FE-OU device (Energy Transistor).

BEP and Koen1 you both missed the point. It is not about who will outsmart who here, it was all about how much of our ideas, knowledge and experiments reach everydays people. It is about Populization of idea and knowledge.  So to give it a push, mag-amp should be reincarnated with new more powerfullWORD. Magnetic field Transistor

Koen1
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That only shows how little you know of anything.
"nobody heard of electret" hah!
What nonsense. If you haven't heard of the term "electret", then you
clearly know very little about electrical theory.

Why do you have to make most of your replays sounds like written by pompous full ?

Wiz

 

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