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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 193001 times)

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Re: You should really take a look at this, reply from Butch
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2008, 09:40:54 PM »
Hi Butch !

 You just can't stop to amaze us with ammount of simple and more than obvious working ideas ...  :D
I'm jumping up and down right now.
Another well established working principle.
Many Many Thanks

This type of vector movement conversion can Help (it is NOW a must) and make Flynn and Hildebrand types of OU motors ALLWAYS workable.
In their setups (and in every other type of today motors) MOVING PARTs IS getting away from the cause of moving rendering LESS and LESS FORCE for movement.
Now Thanks to Butch We have allmost CONSTANT AMMOUNT OF FORCE on moving parts (are not changing distance from cause of moving) as long as we wan't it to act. making our setups predictable, more calculable...it is easier  now to push them to OU mode with certainty. This is very important in magnetism where distance is everything.

Dave Squires should quit the patent, join us and make it happen.

What to say ?
Butch Let THE FORCE be with YOU.

Wiz


Wiz,
Thank God I went public with this 9 years ago. I believe if I had not it would have ended up suppressed. When I worked with my father as a child using the Fanner Magnet to separate steel sheets I knew something was going on that just didn't add up. I presented the drawings as an overunity device 9 years ago on the web. I never abandon any of my ideas. I continue to research and develop my ideas (2500 of them) with the limited resources I have. I stopped going public a few months ago because several of my designs have been claimed by people. I was very niave to think no one would do that. I will go public with all ideas as in the past but after getting validation as inventor. I want to at least get credit for having come up with the idea. This technology must not end up controlled by one person or group as with oil. The world is in a mess and this technology needs to be in the public domain and available to everyone. If it is put on the market for high profit it will end up just like oil. Again, no one person or group should ever have control of this technology. Our group has done extensive testing and research on this and will keep the public updated and not suppress it. I have also open sourced this technology on Sterling Allen's Free Energy News and Directory. Everyone start building and testing, the world needs it now.
Thanks to everyone who has supported me in the past.
Butch LaFonte,
For The LaFonte Group





« Last Edit: October 02, 2008, 10:14:11 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: You should really take a look at this
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2008, 10:24:59 PM »
Hi Dave S. and Butch,
great to hear that you both finally have come to the conclusion that
Butch was the first one to think about this and
has put it out  9 years ago.

As Dave did not know this and Butch did put out so many designs,
which many of them lacking a good andwell explained descriptions, it is no wonder,
that is was ignored for so long.

As Dave realized this principle on his own and told me
privately about it, also without me knowing that Butch had already
put it out 9 years ago, I was baffled when I learned it later
from Dave and Butch, that it was already out.

When Dave did not yet know about it being already published by Butch long time ago,
he still wanted to get a patent about the basic idea and then he
learned from Butch, that it was already in the public domain.

Now it is good to see, that many people can use this and Dave still
can patent his own work for real machines based on it, so he at least
gets some reward for all his simulation work which he showed me in parts privately.

I think he has proven with his FEMM simulations that this principle is
THE BREAKTHROUGH in "cracking the magnetic code", how Dave called it
and is the most promising principle
of an overunity motor.

Too bad, Butch did not explain it better 9 years ago, so more people
would have understood it and already worked on this long time ago.

But anyway, now as it is out, this is the best "new"(old) magnet overunity motor
principle ! ;)

Regards, Stefan.

« Last Edit: October 03, 2008, 09:09:17 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2008, 12:53:39 AM »
Hi Butch and Dave,

I would like to know if there have been practical tests already performed on real setups of this principle and if so what COPs were attained?

Thanks
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2008, 01:29:24 AM »
Hrmmm...

This is interesting...

I guess I've never seen this in action but I would like to get more information about it...

Wanna save the world nows your chance :P

Also I would love it if you would post an article explaining your device at my website.

Lets do it.

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2008, 02:05:08 AM »
THIS here shown so simpel.
Pese
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xbF63Gzvtd4

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2008, 02:14:54 AM »
Hi all,

this is an interesting link to the new discoveries by syncopetra of the principle ( asymetrical-flux-density, and bending of flux-lines - Fresnells law of light-wave-bending also applies to magnetic flux-lines) at the crossing-border of two media) at work  here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiW3-qMeOUY&feature=user

Follow through all 4 basic videos. it explains why the flux-lines are at the angle of 90 degrees.

This might also the explanation of the high efficiency of the old Freisschwinger-Speaker

@butch : in your setup posted here it would be good to place thin plastic washers with uneven surface between the iron-washers, so the flux-lines can exit more easily at the beginning of the seperastion-process. It has to do with overcoming adhesive forces.

Regards

Kator


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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2008, 08:56:59 PM »
This is in response to the idea that the principle had "not been missed for so long". 
I didn't say that.  I said the "significance" of this effect had been missed, not the
effect itself.

No one ever noticed that this establishes a constant reluctance magnetic circuit
for the EM case and an equal cogging force situation for moving PM cases.

That means the actions of the two forces of attraction and repulsion can be isolated
because they are always orthogonal to each other.  Inductance is constant and
cogging forces or torques integrate to zero.  Go prove it to yourself if you are competent
to do so and have the resources.

Nobody else saw and proved these more subtle facts, not even Butch.  I did hundreds of simulations
of both cases with FEMM and have refined and optimized it.  I did bench tests to prove equal cogging
forces. As reader and forum member it's now your turn to independently verify these facts. 
The applications are limitless.  Now get to it!

Given the simplicity and power of this effect I would think you people are creative enough to
come up with your own original designs and applications without any input from me or
anyone else.  Go get something done for a change. 

Cheers,
Dave Squires

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2008, 09:20:24 PM »
Hi Dave,
you are totally right.

Let´s just go ahead all and build these motors.

Now as we know exactly the effect,let us just optimize it and
build OU motors this way.

Then it will be easy to have a selfrunning system
with a good generator coupled.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2008, 10:04:46 PM »
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Given the simplicity and power of this effect I would think you people are creative enough to
come up with your own original designs and applications without any input from me or
anyone else.  Go get something done for a change. 
ROTLFMAO!

You guys are simply unbelivable... You fight about a discovery of a "magnetic effect", which is one of the many "strange" magnetic interactions, observed by anyone who ever played with magnets in the last 100+ years...

Just do the obvious, produce something which works in reality.

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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2008, 10:44:59 PM »
Hi guys,
When I used the magnetic fanner as a teenager helping my father in his warehouse I saw hundred pound steel plates separate as though they were made of Styrofoam. I knew at that time the magnitude of this effect. When making my first drawings for the web and building my first test fixtures I knew I was dealing with huge amounts of power. Anyone with half a brain could see that. It did not take simulations to see what was there. I presented it first as an overunity device and I was also told before that if I did myself and my family would be killed by the powers that be. Well, it's out there and we are still here. And should we not be here it's out there for the world to make use of. It can't be suppressed now. I think the person who told me that was just wanting to keep it for own use. Mark and I need to get back to our shops and do what we do best, build and test. We will be releasing video of early tests and more recent as time goes by. We will be releasing the videos to youtube and this list as well as our web page. We will also push to have the videos put on local and if possible national television.
Our time will be limited on the web due to shop work. We are so pleased that the technology has taken the path we have always said we would want it to take.
That being for all the world to have not just some greedy individual or group.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
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Originators of the overunity Perpendicular Magnetics Motor

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2008, 11:18:24 PM »
Anyone have some plans for a small test unit folks can start doing on there own to start confirming free power generation.

Time to stick it to em ...

Pese do you have the plans for rods designs??? And are they based off of this same concept I would like to start testing these designs and doing some home building I have quite a few DC servo motors here that start generating 12v at 56 rpms I believe these may work not 100% sure...

LETS DO IT ! HA!

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2008, 12:41:34 AM »
I've done the test with mild steel washers on a biro pen, it does generate quite noticable seperation force when moved between attracting neos.

Here's a rough sketch of the simplest engine I could think to build using this effect.

The crank radius (stroke) and placement of the mags (timing) would obviously need playing with.

The steel squares should just be shy of touching when they get closest to eachother.

Also the wheels would need weights added to balance out the neos.

edit:
the diagram says "facing neo magnets" obviously should read "attracting neo magnets"

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2008, 12:52:56 AM »
Nice one Yucca, now we only need a real build  :P.

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2008, 01:02:47 AM »
Nice one Yucca, now we only need a real build  :P.

Thanks broli. Someone like Clanzer could knock one of these up with his eyes shut.

It'd take me ages. I have lots of plexiglass and some bearings out of a fan and coathangers for cranks and a hacksaw and sellotape, it would be like the great egg race :D

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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2008, 05:49:53 AM »
There are three separate parties working together to patent this technology in a way that will prevent any patent from being granted that uses the basic principle.
Don't believe anything you hear from people on the web about what you can and can not patent. Ask a large law firm that has been specialising in patent law for many years. People will tell you what you want to hear on the web to keep you on hold while they file for a patent in the back ground that will keep you from getting a patent on anything that works on the basic operating principle they have a patent on. I have had it pulled on me more than once. You would not believe what is going on at the moment with this technology. People that profess to have integrity, but in reality have no substance what so ever are trying to get total control of it. We have been working with a firm in Philadelphia for a good while to deal with this. This is a dirty business at times, but if there is one thing I have learned it is that no one gets away with anything in this life. This technology will be available to all. I have been assured of that.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
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