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Offline jsngeorge423

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my first post
« on: July 02, 2008, 05:58:59 PM »
Hi everyone, im new to this forum but i come bearing gifts lol. This is one of my ideas for perpetual motion, its fairly obvious how it works if you read the text on it. Look forward to hearing what you think.

http://s313.photobucket.com/albums/ll374/jsngeorge423/

(ps if you select full size on the explanation image it will rotate it)

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Re: my first post
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2008, 07:57:06 PM »
Hi, I'm new here too. Hope to hear from you too.  :)

Hi everyone, im new to this forum but i come bearing gifts lol. This is one of my ideas for perpetual motion, its fairly obvious how it works if you read the text on it. Look forward to hearing what you think.

http://s313.photobucket.com/albums/ll374/jsngeorge423/

(ps if you select full size on the explanation image it will rotate it)

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2008, 08:03:36 PM »
Hi everyone, im new to this forum but i come bearing gifts lol. This is one of my ideas for perpetual motion, its fairly obvious how it works if you read the text on it. Look forward to hearing what you think.

http://s313.photobucket.com/albums/ll374/jsngeorge423/

(ps if you select full size on the explanation image it will rotate it)

The explanation image is not rotating for me.  Are you saying there is an animation of how this works?  I am having a hard time seeing how this is going to move.

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2008, 08:03:36 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 09:44:51 PM »
@jsngeorge423

 Welcome to the forum, and those are some real good pictures of your attempt. But I have some bad news for you. That approach, almost everyone tries in this quest. And there are 3 patents of mildly different designs but they where patented under a different names other than perpetual motion. And so far none of them work. It has something to do with the ramps that just cause to much friction and the angle of the arm don't give enough to make a smooth slide for it seem like it has to lift itself. Looking at what you have done here tells me that you have been studying about PM for some time. It is not the concept of weighted arms sliding through the axle as much as the closed in ramp. You will have to find a better way to shift the weights.

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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2008, 10:45:10 PM »
your quite right about me following the quest for perpetual motion, every now and then i get ideas pop into my head most of which i tend to disprove fairly quickly but this one just seemed more plausible. That said i did gather that friction would be the main killer.
It would be interesting to build this and see what it does but im currently preoccupied experimenting with an idea involving buoyancy and gravity (maybe wd2d it instead?)

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2008, 01:01:10 AM »
@jsngeorge423

 I have 2 of that approach that addressed the friction factor and the angle factor, as well as the lift. And they are low on the to do list for I still see to much resistance to make them function. And one of them has an extreme extra attachment as well.

 I have much better designs and I am also working with itsblockdog on a gravity wheel and magnet design, where we have mixed our ideas together. Buoyancy and gravity are in my opinion interesting but even in those there are a group of effects to overcome. As for WM2D it is a good program to rough out an idea but I wouldn't trust it for it has its own problems as well and can not be fully trusted when working with gravity type wheels.

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2008, 03:28:40 AM »
@jsngeorge423

Nice design and drawing but ABH is right all the way.

From the static position you have drawn, the next movement will require that the right a bottom shafts be pushed inwards. Inwards in fact means pushed upwards and that just won't happen. It is always goods to make the designs first before attempting a build, but the design should be rotated every 2 degrees from the start point to see how it will work. This one does not need to go any further. I think the main problem is you are trying to get too much on the right side. All you really need is 1% more and people all over the world are breaking their heads just to get that 1% more. If you bring the axle more to the center point, and maybe off just a tad, maybe then, if the roller bearings are made well and do not create to much added friction on the far left side, there is a chance it "could" be close. I'm always afraid of saying it could work because we all know this is impossible, right. heheheh.

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2008, 04:11:45 AM »
@wattsup

 To many people have been trying for that 1% for all to long with no advancement. Lets say someone got that 1% and had it running. What good is it? You would have to have something the size of a fairest wheel to do anything at all. Bessler showed real power in his wheel back in the early 18th century. I will tell you that it was much greater than 1%. More like 50% or better. As someone who has been building wheels and feel I am on the final breakthroughs of just such a machine. One of my test units spinning at about 50 to 60 RPM (spin test) was having shifting problems and I reach up to spread the test stand a little hearing a knocking and nearly got my thumb nail tore of my hand. I assure you that that was allot more than 1 % effect. OUCH!!!

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2008, 05:33:32 PM »
I completely understand what your both saying because there the exact concerns i had ringing in my head lol but Ive never attempted to build such a machine and therefor i still had the hmmm maybe just maybe thought in there to. I personally do not think that gravity alone is capable of creating perpetual motion? I'm now working on a machine that uses buoyancy as i think that I'm far more likely to succeed if i have two apposing forces (gravity and buoyancy). 

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2008, 05:52:38 PM »
I completely understand what your both saying because there the exact concerns i had ringing in my head lol but Ive never attempted to build such a machine and therefor i still had the hmmm maybe just maybe thought in there to. I personally do not think that gravity alone is capable of creating perpetual motion? I'm now working on a machine that uses buoyancy as i think that I'm far more likely to succeed if i have two apposing forces (gravity and buoyancy). 

Buoyancy has a problem similar to gravity.  In order to maximize energy from buoyancy, you have to get a light object to the bottom of a container of water.  What you will quickly find is that with friction, it costs more energy for a float to penetrate the water pressure than what is gained by capturing the energy of the rising float.  If you can somehow beat this, then you will succeed.  But how do you defeat water pressure?

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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2008, 10:19:28 PM »
First things first

 Test to find the negatives and then correct them. Water has its own problems, you need to find a way to go through it with least resistance and then make it where it will convert for lift.

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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2008, 01:01:26 PM »
Im going to try and make time to experiment this weekend, i have an idea playing on my mind i need to gather some parts and test the theory. Will let you know how it goes.

 

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