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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #285 on: December 04, 2008, 09:25:17 PM »
Hubbard have also drived an car , that used 2 small antennas, and it was made with an smaller device as power generator.that will be possibly made with some smal radium or beta radiating probes ,
 that -possibly- have- pumped to an big source,, if extarnal oszillations will be added) I belive that more and more, because i spend since 2002 any day  min 3 hours to see, learn, and collect informations. in this range of science. So i shown also here in OU to "learn"
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@Pese,
Yes. I believe Radium was thrown in there to make it difficult and to confuse. I do not believe he used that at all. It would make an oscillator.
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #286 on: December 04, 2008, 10:10:29 PM »
Es muy importante:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5417.msg122224#msg122224

This has to absorbed for the use of copper.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #287 on: December 04, 2008, 10:13:16 PM »
   I introduced the radium angle as not using the radium as a fuel but using the radium em wave energy to ionize gas in and around the spark gap.  Ultraviolet light or any other scource of an ionizing frequency generator could be used to stabilize the spark gap output frequency.   (Stanley Meyers lazers come to mind)  As I understand it to fuel the Hubbard motor it would have exhausted the entire world's supply of radium at the time.  The frequency of the output gap as GK says is a wide spectrum one.  With the addition of the radium there is more control of the plazma in the gap.  Therefore tuning a coil to the oscillations occuring in the gap becomes much easier.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #288 on: December 04, 2008, 10:25:28 PM »
i think i what i explained it may sync on its own and may be you speed it up i have had osc's in excess  600 volts..   constant for a while...  from 1 charge ....   could be my meter i suspose .....  lol

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but that dont explain the  moveing mangetic feild in my coil  :D  or the  sped up or down wave on my scope ...   ;D

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and i did not use anything special to do this ..... lol coil and a cap a power supply to control it once i started it i call this tuneing  ;D  speed it up and see what might come out   :)


 

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #289 on: December 05, 2008, 03:46:37 AM »
The specific claim made by Epiphany and others was that an "automobile distributor" was used as part of the Hubbard device.

I have not been able to find this claim in the old newspaper clippings. Perhaps a "rotating subcircuit" could be interpreted as a automobile distributor, but so could a ring counter or stepping relay.

For the sake of accuracy it would be helpful to refer only to the original texts, lest recent urban legends be transmuted into fact.

I might add that some of the photos used in the pdf's were much later (1970's) attempts at replication and are now being touted as actual Hubbard units.

Heydude, the diagram attached is the source of this speculation (which is what that was). I was trying imagine the method of stimulation Hubbard used.

IF (big if) it was an eight cylinder distributor, which normally distributes a (35 to 50kv dc) spark working from the center plug  to the 8 spark plug wire terminals around the circumference of the cap (by way of the rotor inside), then one could maybe imagine that he wired the eight plug wires common to the high voltage source and shot the spark out the center plug wire, giving him 8 sparks per distributor shaft rotation.

The claim is that there are only 4 wires to his coil setup. Two wires were presumably for the load, and two were for the stimulation and maybe feedback for the 8 coils. This one wire from the center plug wire of the distributor could have been connected to one of the 8 coils wires, with the other 8 coil wire returning to the high voltage supply return.

Hubbard had mentioned that his coil builders couldn't energize the coils, only he could.

So it seems to me that he probably delivered a constant high voltage (11.25 Kv), as very fast pulses, which he varied the timing of, by controlling the speed of the distributor shaft.

I could be totally out to lunch on this. I was seeing the variac as a potential speed control device for the motor spinning the distributor shaft.

It's also possible that the distributor rotor may have been modified to change the spark's duration or strength.

I apologize if I have misled anyone! I have no idea at all on how Hubbard did what he did. It just seems that it might be a Tesla-esque method: hit the coils with high voltage pulses at a speed that promotes self resonance (maybe)?

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #290 on: December 05, 2008, 03:56:27 AM »
Heydude, the diagram attached is the source of this speculation (which is what that was). I was trying imagine the method of stimulation Hubbard used.

IF (big if) it was an eight cylinder distributor, which normally distributes a (35 to 50kv dc) spark working from the center plug  to the 8 spark plug wire terminals around the circumference of the cap (by way of the rotor inside), then one could maybe imagine that he wired the eight plug wires common to the high voltage source and shot the spark out the center plug wire, giving him 8 sparks per distributor shaft rotation.

The claim is that there are only 4 wires to his coil setup. Two wires were presumably for the load, and two were for the stimulation and maybe feedback for the 8 coils. This one wire from the center plug wire of the distributor could have been connected to one of the 8 coils wires, with the other 8 coil wire returning to the high voltage supply return.

Hubbard had mentioned that his coil builders couldn't energize the coils, only he could. 8)

So it seems to me that he probably delivered a constant high voltage (11.25 Kv), as very fast pulses, which he varied the timing of, by controlling the speed of the distributor shaft.

I could be totally out to lunch on this. I was seeing the variac as a potential speed control device for the motor spinning the distributor shaft.

It's also possible that the distributor rotor may have been modified to change the spark's duration or strength.

I apologize if I have misled anyone! I have no idea at all on how Hubbard did what he did. It just seems that it might be a Tesla-esque method: hit the coils with high voltage pulses at a speed that promotes self resonance (maybe)?


that may well be the case.....  :D ;)

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i bet 2 wires are to start it and   then become antennas..... ;)

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #291 on: December 05, 2008, 05:48:57 AM »
Epiphany

Thanks for your explanation. I first saw that photo you posted (Hubbard2.gif) in a book of  attempted free energy devices back in the mid to late 80's. As I recall, it was an attempted replication based on someones idea of how it might be done, not an actual Hubbard device.

Some of the meters and other parts are modern types and not available in Hubbards time period.

I will try to determine who the builders were if I can locate the book.

Thanks again

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #292 on: December 05, 2008, 05:49:33 AM »
The center coil could also be in series, between the ignition coil and the distributor, causing a pair to be fired, the center one and one of the eight in a circular sequence.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #293 on: December 08, 2008, 12:47:31 AM »
The center coil could also be in series, between the ignition coil and the distributor, causing a pair to be fired, the center one and one of the eight in a circular sequence.

--giantkiller.

All of the articles I read mentioned only 4 wires exposed though. I can't see how a single coil out of eight could be selected to fire with the center coil. Not saying that it couldn't be redesigned of course, but just staying with the original story...

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #294 on: December 28, 2008, 10:49:56 PM »
IMHO exactly the same principle was used in Tesla device powering his Pierce Arrow model car.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #295 on: December 29, 2008, 12:17:09 AM »
Just for reference purposes this device is found at FEG 5-35.
The devices mentioned there before this one have a lot in common with it too.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #296 on: December 29, 2008, 06:09:11 AM »
Hi,

Is there a good detailed photo of the Hubbard coil?

I think there's a reasonable chance it was a legit device, but he and his family/friends were merely threatened beyond his control, and merely gave up.  Regarding the Hubbard coil being legit, zpenergy.com says it well -->

Quote from zpenergy.com,
"Hubbard, when speaking to the press said the device generated 280A at 125V which is 35kW, or roughly equivalent to about 45HP. While claiming early on that his device drew it's energy from the atmosphere, later, Hubbard recanted, saying the device drew power from radioactive materials, rather from thin air, and that his earlier claims were subterfuge, intended to throw off anyone who might try to usurp his patent rights. If this is the case, Hubbard's device would be the most powerful nuclear battery ever created, and as early as 1919, easily making it the first."

This idea that Hubbard, who was said to have been broke, somehow obtained nuclear reactive material (enriched), and made the very first nuclear power source in history, is ridiculous. Some people have the hobby of finding uranium, but this natural occurring uranium is not enriched uranium, and is not going to be powering that 35KW motor! The idea is just absurd. To this day, very few countries can produce enriched uranium.

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« Reply #297 on: December 29, 2008, 10:04:52 AM »
Well surely T. Henry. Moray also used a radioactive detector in his setup, but the power was comming from the large antenna that Moray spun over a large lake to reflect the waves and pump the ionospheric resonance.
His device was putting out 50Kw.
It seems he was using the D- Layer of the ionosphere and if so the frequency would be right around +/- 5,5 Mhz.
Tesla and the pierce arrow also used antenna wires and also seems to run on cosmic radiation.

Marco

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #298 on: December 29, 2008, 10:44:33 AM »

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #299 on: December 29, 2008, 03:19:01 PM »
Well surely T. Henry. Moray also used a radioactive detector in his setup, but the power was comming from the large antenna that Moray spun over a large lake to reflect the waves and pump the ionospheric resonance.
His device was putting out 50Kw.
It seems he was using the D- Layer of the ionosphere and if so the frequency would be right around +/- 5,5 Mhz.
Tesla and the pierce arrow also used antenna wires and also seems to run on cosmic radiation.

Marco

i dont beleave any radio active crap was used....  ever!!!!

MISLEADING INFO !!!  POURPOUSLY PLANTED

hey i  got an idea go grab that uraimium and smear it on your spark gap ... YEA that will cover it up confuse people and cause harm

WE ARE DEALING WITH POTIENCIALS ...  POS AND NEG   HOT AND COLD !!!!

ballanced  interchange ..... ;D

but ride down your own path  :P

i have found my own  8)

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