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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #270 on: December 04, 2008, 05:07:50 AM »
@EMdevices

With all due respect I don't see what you mean by the last quote, sure the primary impulse gets the device started but how is it used to keep it running?

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #271 on: December 04, 2008, 05:16:33 AM »
The Hubbard coil is described in such clear terms in the Seattle article from the 1920, it's amazing that nobody has gotten it build and running.

While the device has been patented, the claims for it are so broad that
Hubbard says he does not feel safe in making public his secret.  In general,
he says, it is made up of a group of eight electro-magnets, each with
primary and secondary windings of copper wire, which are arranged around a
large steel core.  The core likewise has a single winding.  A coil thus
constructed, he says, is lifeless until given an initial impulse.  This is
done by connecting the ends of its windings for a fraction of a second to an
ordinary[two words unreadable R.L.R.] -ing circuit, he says.

The manner of this momentary charging, however, constitutes the principal
secret of the device, according to the inventor, who says that while
machinists have built a number of coils for him under his direction, they
have been unable to "start" them.  In the event the power of the coil should
diminish, it can be rejuvenated in less than a second, Hubbard says.


EM

You still need a principle of operation and a guess at which coils are input and output.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #272 on: December 04, 2008, 07:20:04 AM »
The device is clearly described, but yes there are unknowns. 

We know there are 8 electromagnets, each has two coils (primary and secondary)  and the main steel drum has only a single coil on it.

Now, we can use our heads and start going through all the permutations of how we can possibly hook up or connect all these coils.

Let's see:    8 *2 + 1 = 17 pairs of wires.   Lot's of room for experimentation !


Missing words in that article seem to be   "BATTERY CHARGING", note the word CHARGING is used in the very next sentence.

Now, the big question is,  why would magnetic/electric oscillations persist in such a device after it is energized?

I brainstorm from time to time on these topics, so since this topic was resurrected I had to chime in.   

I hope you all don't think I have found the secrets of this device and I'm not sharing, cause it's not true.

EM

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #273 on: December 04, 2008, 02:57:39 PM »
  I belieive Hubbard used radium in his distributor.  (Moray was into coating his filaments with radioactive stuff)  If you check some of Hubbard's latter work he did some spark plug coating with radium that created more of a flash as well as extending the spark gap often to the head of the cylinder itself.  One more similarity is the results guys are getting on this board using plazma ignition of water vapor.  Also check out radioactive devices in your home.  Smoke detectors.  The use of low level radiation on a filament results in ionizing frequencys.  If we take a distributor and the timing is off there results between the rotor contact and the spark plug contacts a plasma construct.  This is avoided in distributors by timing the collapse in the ignition coil so that the rotor is adjacent a contact.  Perhaps Hubbard's distributor is misstimed to create a rotary plasma arc field.  This is not unlike Tesla's spark gaps.  If the radium is used to ionize the air molecules so that upon dielectric stressing of the air between the rotor and the stator we have a circulation of the free electrons about the ions this results in a plasma.  This plasma represents a highly positive electrostatic field as the electrons are no longer in the inertial frame of the protons.  This positive charge field could be viewed as a dielectric monopole.  It's effect on the surrounding mass such as the wires leading to his coils has yet to be understood by myself.  I do see a number of devices displaying seeming overunity as resulting from the production of a  selfconfining plasma. 

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #274 on: December 04, 2008, 04:45:21 PM »
I am not a guru in this subject like all the rest of you so I'll go ahead and embarrass myself and toss out a thought.  This reminds me so much of Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder--  an iron loop, a U-shaped iron bar with another iron bar across the ends of the 'U', wrapped with two copper coils, a PMM.  Once the coils are "charged" the "magnets" as he calls them continue to flow, seemingly forever holding the iron bar to the magnet, a perpetual electromagnet.  Somewhere I saw a video of a fellow that successfully recreated the device. 

Leedskalnin describes how, after charging the copper coils on his device, breaking the iron loop will discharge the current and light-up a bulb, years after the device is charged.  Would it not be possible to discharge the coils -- not into a light bulb -- but instead into another set of coils that had a similar iron loop in place, creating another electromagnet that was rotated to the first pair, effectively creating a rotating magnetic field? 

Suppose you had two PMM's. Can you switch the current you pulsed into the coil in one PMM effectively turning it into an electromagnet, into another PMM, totally deactivating the first PMM and without current loss?   Leedskalnin does this discharge not by connecting coils, but by disconnecting the iron loop.  Introduce a charge and activate one PMM, then using a distributor release the "magnets" loose in the iron loop of the next PMM by disconnecting the iron loop of the first PMM with the distributor.

The current pulse from coil-pair to next coil-pair is created not so much by connection, but by disconnection.

The way I would see this work, using Hubbards layout of 8 cores in a circle, the opposing iron cores would wire together with iron wire through the distributor.  This temporarily created PMM, with the opposing iron cores connected through the distributor support a flow of "magnets" through the iron cores as a loop through the distributor.  One copper coil pair would initially be charged, and the PMM electromagnet is created.  Once the iron loop is in place through the distributor on the next pair of coils, and the copper coils on this next pair connected through the distributor momentarily to the preceding pair, the current flowing in a pair of opposing copper coils could dump or discharge to this next pair by the distributor disconnecting the iron loop of the preceding copper pair.   It is this disconnection of the iron loop that causes the discharge of current to the next coil pair.  Now there is a newly created electromagnet rotated to the preceding pair of coils.  I don't believe the current will leave the first pair of coils and go to the next until the iron loop is broken, so if the copper coils are connected and ready to receive the discharge, there would be very little loss through switching apparatus. 

Ok, it's a crazy thought, I got a little wordy and it might not make sense. - Duane


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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #275 on: December 04, 2008, 05:18:51 PM »
@mdmiller,
Very cool description. Use MSpaint and draw a top and side view chicken scratch diagram. Just black and white. It is like the little magnets going around. Get it out of your head and down on paper that way the obfuscation or confusion is dispelled. That is how I started out, drawing pictures.

I studied Coral castle for 2 years. When I went in October and stood where he stood I was saw things that are fantastic and not previously documented. For instance: stand on the top step of the North pinnacle and face south. To your left are the planets on the wall. Every wonder why there is only a few? Saturn, Jupiter. When those planets rise in the morning the Sun shines on the north pinnacle. This causes a shadow behind you. The crosshairs make an arc on the ground. Now you have a sextant embedded in a chronometer. The graticle is on the walls opposite the pinnacle. But it is laying down and still usable. Unreal?
When the moon is in the sky above each of the moon phase statues in phase the seats in the park point to constellations. 8)
On the big metal door there is a 'Ring twice' sign. We do that in NMR technology with 90 degree waves. There is a plant on the door at the other end of the diagram from Earth. This signifies life forms at the place. It is 21million light years away in the Goldilocks zone of Ursa Minor.
Well you get the picture: http://www.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&q=Ursa+minor&um=1&ie=UTF-8&scoring=t&sa=X&oi=timeline_result&resnum=11&ct=title

At certain time of the year all these markers line up. :o

--giantkiller. Are you thought this was about magnets, eh?
« Last Edit: December 04, 2008, 06:09:13 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #276 on: December 04, 2008, 06:01:55 PM »
     If the low voltage output of a battery is transformed into a highvoltage highfrequency event that is distributed to primaries of the eight outer transformers.  These transformers then transform this back into low low frequency current.  This current appears sequentially around the core as each of the eight primaries are ignited.  Then the magnetic field would appear to rotate about the core.
In this core we find another transformer of sorts that responds to the magnetic field pulsating about it's periphery.  This winding now powers the motor with pulsed DC.  If there is but a small gain in the spark gap and this gain occurs at high frequency and expressed at low frequency we might get a motor to run off some high frequency gain from the field.   How would one take a highfrequency highvoltage output and change it into a low frequency high current event?

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #277 on: December 04, 2008, 06:31:36 PM »
The spark gap is a wide spectrum discharge. Set the LC parameters for the low frequency resonant notch you want. Then set the secondary winding of L to a number of wraps lower to get the current you want. Low frequency, high current achieved.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #278 on: December 04, 2008, 06:39:55 PM »
Thankyou GK.  :)

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #279 on: December 04, 2008, 07:52:46 PM »
hubbard switching ala leedskalnin ...

this image will maybe help explain what I'm trying to say.  in this example there are two PMM's but the continuity of the iron core oscillates between the two(mechanically or electrically). the iron core is only a complete loop on one PMM at a time.

momentary power is applied, the first PMM is charged and active, power is removed and no longer required.  The device is now an electromagnet in-perpetuum per Leedskalnin.  Now, severing the continuity of the core will release the charge on the coils, per Leedskalnin - where he lights a bulb, but instead we release the charge to the coil of the other PMM.

the core continuity could be completed with an iron wire, and by switching the iron wire back and forth, we create resonance between the two PMM's

none of this generates any power, it just resonates the PMM electromagnets back and forth, with no further power input into the coils.  the only energy expended is that required to switch the iron wire back and forth to complete the continuity of a core and activate a PMM, or more importantly deactivate a PMM and thus causing a flow of current into the other PMM and activating it as an electromagnet.

putting these coils into circles, connecting all their leads together, charging an initial coil pair, and then switching the continuity of their iron cores sequentially should rotate the "magnets" and it would be from this magnetic field rotation along with additional coils that power would be generated.

just a thought - duane


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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #280 on: December 04, 2008, 08:43:06 PM »
  I belieive Hubbard used radium in his distributor.  (Moray was into coating his filaments with radioactive stuff) 
possibly,
but:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5052.251
this here is also an 8 coil device (near to Hubbard)
this will (possibly) work wit 20KW
without  any radium sources.
Pese

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #281 on: December 04, 2008, 08:45:38 PM »
The specific claim made by Epiphany and others was that an "automobile distributor" was used as part of the Hubbard device.

I have not been able to find this claim in the old newspaper clippings. Perhaps a "rotating subcircuit" could be interpreted as a automobile distributor, but so could a ring counter or stepping relay.

For the sake of accuracy it would be helpful to refer only to the original texts, lest recent urban legends be transmuted into fact.

I might add that some of the photos used in the pdf's were much later (1970's) attempts at replication and are now being touted as actual Hubbard units.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #282 on: December 04, 2008, 08:49:14 PM »
guys i want to add somthing ....  this is important to  advanced devices...  perhaps the cause of the effect of this coil  ;)

i have noticed in playing with caps and coils ...   a self oscolating engery ....   i have scoped this in the past  it ia a unique wave ...


this engery as i recall  slowly drains from the cap...  but it seams as tho it is filled agin i have had caps moveing for DAYS....  from 1 charge.... ;)

expairment ....  tiz the only way to learn .....


ist


ok now we are touching on my orbit 720 coil ..... the engery traped in the pmh IS IN MOTION LOL .........  AS IS IT IN COPPER :o

lol


and YES IT CAN BE SPED UP   LOL

mpi  8)  ringgggg belllllllls lol





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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #283 on: December 04, 2008, 08:50:19 PM »
@Pese,
Yes. I believe Radium was thrown in there to make it difficult and to confuse. I do not believe he used that at all. It would make an oscillator.

@all,
Today, we all know better and have more intuitive mindsets to see through the smoke screen. Is what I said Gospel? Go get yourself some radium to find out. In the final products that Tesla showed they are very simple. Yes, he did use exotic materials in his testing. But really not necessary.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #284 on: December 04, 2008, 08:51:27 PM »
Here are what I think are two direct 'Hubbard' like attempts:

Paul Brown in 1989 http://www.google.com/patents?id=oKM5AAAAEBAJ&dq=4,835,433

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When he discovered that 'The Moray Device and the Hubbard Coil were Nuclear Batteries' (published in Magnets in Your Future, March 1987)

William Barbat in 2006 http://www.google.com/patents?id=vI2XAAAAEBAJ&dq=william+barbat

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The same year that the English translation of Leimer's paper appeared in Scientific American, 16-year old Alfred M. Hubbard of Seattle, Wash., reportedly invented a fuelless generator, which he later admitted employed radium. Applicant interprets this as implying that Leimer's energy-magnification was utilized by Hubbard with feedback to make it self-sustaining. Three years later Hubbard publicly demonstrated a relatively advanced fuelless generator that illuminated a 20-watt incandescent bulb (Anon. 1919a). A reputable physics professor from Seattle College, who was intimately familiar with Hubbard's device (but not at liberty to disclose its construction details), vouched for the integrity of the fuelless generator and declared that it was not a storage device, but he did not know why it worked (Anon. 1919b). Because Hubbard initially had no financial means of his own, it is likely the professor had provided Hubbard with the use of the expensive radium initially and thereby witnessed the inventing process in his own laboratory.

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