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### Author Topic: Hubbard coil  (Read 359095 times)

#### pauldude000

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##### Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2008, 08:59:10 PM »
@Giantkiller

You are getting there but you are not there quite yet.

What you are looking at (I believe) is the beginning of additive or true harmonic resonance, as Tesla was continually after in his work.

I like your tuning fork mental example. In a simplified understanding of basic resonance, the pulse flows through the wire, hits what appears as an electrical brick wall which absorbs the energy, which then releases it to flow in the other direction. However, the voltage was not at proper cycle and some energy is lost, and the wave does not match the spatial displacement of the next wave being sent, so the voltages actually decrease each other. The waves pulse back and forth, but die out. (Transformer action, or Non-Q basic resonance.)

Now, we have another coil, where the input pulse frequency is an exact 1/4 wavelength of the length of the wire it is input into. It hits the "brick wall" at exactly full voltage. It then rebounds. At the other end it is exactly opposite, and rebounds. However, every pulse is exactly matching in spacial displacement as every other wave. These waves then do NOT cancel out each others voltage, they add to each other. However, there is only one set of frequencies flowing through the wire, so the voltage addition is limited. But the coil is "ringing", putting out a steady amplification. This is where both you and I are at at this time.

Now, what we are after is the coil where more than one frequency is based upon this 1/4 wavelength principle.With two or more frequencies in PERFECT harmony in spatial displacement, the voltage summing can RAMP, and all waves reinforce (both voltage AND current) each other.       Each separate reflection of each wave will sum again with every other reflection of every other wave in the circuit. (Tesla's actual goal and main achievement in various devices.)

Loner came up with an awesome manner of finding self resonance, using an armstrong based oscillator and feedback. It has no choice but to resonate at the proper frequency for whatever coil is used. HOWEVER THIS IS ONLY ONE FREQUENCY, yet his amplification has been dramatic. Massive fields are generated even with this. (read loners "TPU facts and results" thread for more info. Loner has done quite well.)

What is needed is two or three such circuits driving. The first as normal, the second with a separate inductance to through it out of phase with the first, and possibly others with an inductance/capacitance tank between oscillator output and TPU input.

You now see how it fits perfectly hand in hand with your understanding and description of the wave action.

Paul Andrulis

#### pauldude000

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« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2008, 09:22:28 PM »
The above is a somewhat two dimensional interpretation, and I know this already. Apply it three dimensionally upon the COLLECTOR coil, and notice that the rotating field is not included in this interpretation. The rotating field is what is absolutely necessary for the completed TPU device.

For right now, I am going to leave it up to you all to envision the field produced by such described harmonics, which is also self amplifying by the way.

Remember that the voltage/current are directly tied hand in hand with ALL of the fields produced by said. Change or modify one, you change or modify all.

I will also leave it up you all to visualize the effects of a field rotating in one direction slamming into such produced magnetic waves, and the effects of what would happen. The fields. The viewable output.

Hint, envision two dimensionally if necessary at first, then apply to three or more dimensions and let your imagination smooth out the details. Think of all fields somewhat like really flexible balloons, or like water. Whatever works for you.

2 Dimensional thinking is not enough. You have X and Y (Height and width) but no depth of perspective.
3 Dimensional thinking is not enough. You have X, Y, and Z (Height, width, and depth) but inflexibility of change.
4 Dimensional thinking gets you there. You have X,Y,Z, and T (Height, width, depth, and time, or motion which is relational change over time).

Paul Andrulis

#### Grumpy

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« Reply #62 on: July 15, 2008, 12:34:31 AM »
Has anyone noticed that Hubbard's device does not have condensers?  We have a HV source, a cummutator of sorts (automobile distributor and motor), possible a spark gap other than the distributor (he has a patent for a spark plug but I can't determine if it is used in this device), cores that are possibly magnetic, and 9 coils.

Sounds like he may be impact exciting the 8 outer coils by charging and connecting the primary coil.  This was an alternative means to excite Tesla's "extra coil" as put forth by Steinmetz.  Output would be the secondaries of the 8 with the primaries of the 8 emiting RE, and now we see why the cores might be magnetic.

Something like this:

#### pauldude000

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« Reply #63 on: July 15, 2008, 12:49:40 AM »
@Grumpy

It would require an extremely high voltage input (car coil or equivalent) to excite your system. The distributor IS a commutator of sorts, but there is a several thousandths inch gap between the rotor electrode and the cap electrodes that the spark has to jump, and then it has to jump the gap at the spark plug as well.

What is interesting is that I never though of using a couple of car distributors for a quenched rotary spark gap before.

Or for that matter multiple spark plugs...... Hmmm....

Paul Andrulis

#### Grumpy

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« Reply #64 on: July 15, 2008, 01:14:07 AM »
the article I found said Hubbard used an 11.25 KV DC supply - which can easily jump these gaps.

The Steinmetz means of coil excitation (for oscillations, traveling waves and such) was the only thing I could think of that fit with what little is known about the device.  It is not a very well-known method of achieving Tesla's results.

The cores would have to be magnetized.  To induce a change in the tempic field you must use the electric and magnetic fields.  Spark discharges are the electric and the magnets are the magnetic.  He could easily have magnetized iron rods with a battery and the article said that the rods were separated and packed with something?  he could have used iron rods and magnetite from his back yard with glue and put the juice to them - ta-da large bar magnet core.  Hell, he could have packed it in the tube and then magnetized it.

He may have used no spark plug at all or used the spark plug after the distributor to try to sharpen the pulse.  Hell, he could have put the plugs in the distributor cap too - LOL!

Yes, rotary gap would do same.

#### Grumpy

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« Reply #65 on: July 15, 2008, 01:19:33 AM »
Link to article on Hubbard coil:

http://www.rafoeg.de/20,Dokumentenarchiv/10,Personenbezogenes_Archiv/,Hubbard_Alfred/The%20Hubbard%20Energy%20Transformer%20by%20Gaston%20Burridge.pdf

Distruibutor was for 8 cylinder - shown in image on page 2

11.25 kv dc shown in image on page 3

I believe a space heater is shown on the left.

He would only run it for short periods of time due to overheating.  Output wire may have been to small of gage.

#### z.monkey

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« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2008, 01:26:08 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

Grumpy and Paul, the Hubbard Coil is supposed to a SELF Sustaining Electrical Generator.  It develops and sustains its own power without external drivers or being continuously connected to batteries.  The idea is the coil is inductively self resonant and it puts out power with no input.  I spent years trying to drive this coil in anyway possible.  Pulsed DC, AC, Capacitive Discharge, High Voltage.  The main reason it didn't work was the coils were not connected in a loop.  It was beyond my reasoning to connect the coils in a loop.  I had to look at it a totally different way.

When I saw GiantKiller's coil go into resonance it clicked in my brain.  His set of air coils does this because you have a full cycle of a sinewave represented in a set of 4 coils.  Basically when the voltage finishes traveling around the loop it is in its original phase at the same voltage and frequency.
This allows it to continue traveling infinitely.  This will work in increments of 4 coils.  GiantKiller's 4 coil set is one cycle.  My Infinity Coil is two cycles, 8 coils.  This is why you guys have so much trouble tuning the TPUs.  The TPU only has three drive coils.  They are usually driven with three different drivers.  That makes it tough to achieve resonance.  Plus you only have three phases represented, not a whole sinewave.  The all inductor Hubbard Coil achieves resonance by it own nature.  The physical characteristics of the inductors define a resonant frequency, and the device only runs at it its own resonance frequency, hence no tuning problems.

The Hubbard Coil is a true power oscillator.  The trick is using coils in multiples of 4 and connecting the coils in a series loop with all the windings in the same direction.  You have to pay attention to the way a sinewave and an arcsine wave move around this thing.  This is an Alternating Current Device, and the only way you get it to put out power is to let it resonate by itself, NOT driven!

Also, yeah, No Caps!  This power oscillator makes an L4 or an L8 circuit and NOT an LC circuit.  Any capacitors in parallel with any of the coils will throw off the resonant frequency enough to cause the device to not oscillate.

Blessed Be Brothers...

#### Grumpy

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« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2008, 01:36:15 AM »
Did you ever replace the iron cores with magnetized cores?

What you describe is a "ring resonator" and they are not OU.  Not only that, if the Hubbard device is a resonator, it would be a longitudinal one since the coils are sideways.

The hubbard coil can be self-sustaining via the method I suggested.  Notice that it is an open ring, rather than closed like a TPU - Safer this way.

If you think EM induction is that only way anything works, then think again.

Caps are not required when exciting a coil to emit RE with inductor discharge, or constant current (i.e. DC) source.

It is not alternating current - it is "pulsating" - huge difference.

Howdy Y'all,

Grumpy and Paul, the Hubbard Coil is supposed to a SELF Sustaining Electrical Generator.  It develops and sustains its own power without external drivers or being continuously connected to batteries.  The idea is the coil is inductively self resonant and it puts out power with no input.  I spent years trying to drive this coil in anyway possible.  Pulsed DC, AC, Capacitive Discharge, High Voltage.  The main reason it didn't work was the coils were not connected in a loop.  It was beyond my reasoning to connect the coils in a loop.  I had to look at it a totally different way.

When I saw GiantKiller's coil go into resonance it clicked in my brain.  His set of air coils does this because you have a full cycle of a sinewave represented in a set of 4 coils.  Basically when the voltage finishes traveling around the loop it is in its original phase at the same voltage and frequency.
This allows it to continue traveling the infinitely.  This will work in increments of 4 coils.  GiantKiller's 4 coil set is one cycle.  My Infinity Coil is two cycles, 8 coils.  This is why you guys have so much trouble tuning the TPUs.  The TPU only has three drive coils.  They are usually driven with three different drivers.  That makes it tough to achieve resonance.  Plus you only have three phases represented, not a whole sinewave.  The all inductor Hubbard Coil achieves resonance by it own nature.  The physical characteristics of the inductors define a resonant frequency, and the device only runs at it its own resonance frequency, hence no tuning problems.

The Hubbard Coil is a true power oscillator.  The trick is using coils in multiples of 4 and connecting the coils in a series loop with all the windings in the same direction.  You have to pay attention to the way a sinewave and an arcsine wave move around this thing.  This is an Alternating Current Device, and the only way you get it to put out power is to let it resonate by itself, NOT driven!

Also, yeah, No Caps!  This power oscillator makes an L4 or an L8 circuit and NOT an LC circuit.  Any capacitors in parallel with any of the coils will throw off the resonant frequency enough to cause the device to not oscillate.

Blessed Be Brothers...

#### Grumpy

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« Reply #68 on: July 15, 2008, 01:40:37 AM »
One more thing:

Impact excitation (i.e. electrical vibration of an inductor) causes the inductor to vibrate at it's own resonant frequency regardless of the frequency of the impacting impulse.  So, the hammer and the tuning fork are separate and that is what Tesla was doing.  The resonant rise stuff was just a means to get a higher voltage.  He stated much later when that resonant rise was not the best way to achieve this.

EDIT:

Oh, and it could be driven or looped and still be over, so what does it matter?

#### z.monkey

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« Reply #69 on: July 15, 2008, 02:14:49 AM »
Howdy Grumpy,

You have to look at this thing in a different way...

Tesla defined alternating current theory, and I have seen it resonate with a sinewave.  The reason that the ring oscillator will work is not magnetic induction alone.  The wave running the peripheral coils is "pulsating" via alternating current.  The magnetic fields are spinning around the central core.  This produces a vortex in the center coil, increasing the flux density and increasing the energy traversing the coil.  Ordinarily the back EMF from a coil is less than the initial energy put into it.  But in this case the vortex produced by the spinning magnetic coil pulls more energy in from the surrounding environment.  This produces a power gain in the center coil which is inductively coupled to the peripheral coils.  This increases the voltage in the peripheral coils, sustaining the device.  The core design is the key to the magnetic vortex.

Blessed Be Brothers...

#### giantkiller

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« Reply #70 on: July 15, 2008, 03:52:26 AM »
And getting back to simplicity with air core the coils can emit the field more freely and farther into space. No dampening. Only one material by one frequency to resonant. Add another material and you don't get the single tune.

http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~kvdoel/bells/bells.html

http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/popular-mechanics/The-Boy-Mechanic-1000-Things-for-Boys-to-Do/Construction-Of-A-Small-Bell-Ringing-Transformer-Part-I-F.html

Structural problems of mixed metal combinations.
http://www.probell.org/files/Ringing%20Bells-LAVEK%20Colloquium030306.pdf

--giantkiller. Way wide sidetrip to think about.

#### z.monkey

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« Reply #71 on: July 15, 2008, 04:19:53 AM »
Howdy GiantKiller!

Yes, core material is a major concern.  Having uniform cores made from exactly the same material are also key.  I am thinking about small wires, like 1 mm (0.0254 inch) wires that are laminated and grouped into rods. Then the windings are wound directly on the conglomeration of iron rods.

The resonant frequency of the core is defined by the permeability of the cores.  This thing needs to be compatible with current equipmentation.  This means a relatively low frequency.  Most landlocked equipment is 60 Hertz, while ship and aircraft are 400 Hertz.  We are supposed to build a compatible power supply, not something that resonates in the KHz band.  So the large amounts of iron in the cores gives it a relatively large permeability.  The Hubbard Coil is a current generator and not a HV generator.  The iron slows down the resonant frequency to some thing below 500 Hertz.  The actual frequency is dependent on the physical coil design.

I really had to bend my reality to understand this thing.

Blessed Be Brothers...

#### Grumpy

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« Reply #72 on: July 15, 2008, 05:58:11 AM »
Howdy Grumpy,

You have to look at this thing in a different way...

Tesla defined alternating current theory, and I have seen it resonate with a sinewave.  The reason that the ring oscillator will work is not magnetic induction alone.  The wave running the peripheral coils is "pulsating" via alternating current.  The magnetic fields are spinning around the central core.  This produces a vortex in the center coil, increasing the flux density and increasing the energy traversing the coil.  Ordinarily the back EMF from a coil is less than the initial energy put into it.  But in this case the vortex produced by the spinning magnetic coil pulls more energy in from the surrounding environment.  This produces a power gain in the center coil which is inductively coupled to the peripheral coils.  This increases the voltage in the peripheral coils, sustaining the device.  The core design is the key to the magnetic vortex.

Blessed Be Brothers...

Howdy GiantKiller!

Yes, core material is a major concern.  Having uniform cores made from exactly the same material are also key.  I am thinking about small wires, like 1 mm (0.0254 inch) wires that are laminated and grouped into rods. Then the windings are wound directly on the conglomeration of iron rods.

The resonant frequency of the core is defined by the permeability of the cores.  This thing needs to be compatible with current equipmentation.  This means a relatively low frequency.  Most landlocked equipment is 60 Hertz, while ship and aircraft are 400 Hertz.  We are supposed to build a compatible power supply, not something that resonates in the KHz band.  So the large amounts of iron in the cores gives it a relatively large permeability.  The Hubbard Coil is a current generator and not a HV generator.  The iron slows down the resonant frequency to some thing below 500 Hertz.  The actual frequency is dependent on the physical coil design.

I really had to bend my reality to understand this thing.

Blessed Be Brothers...

I am looking at this from a realistic perspective not some damn la-la-land-pseudo-magentic-vortex-sci-fi-wanna-be way.   Hubbard never said it was AC - he said it "pulsated" and that is a huge clue that you choose to ignore out of ignorance!

If there was a magnetic vortex in the center coil - in the orientation illustrated - it is not perpendicular to the wires and therefore can not induce an electric field!

If HV is not required to excite the device then why the 11.25 kv DC power supply?!  Why the auto distributor?  This device does not work by the application of high current!  It can't!

If you had any idea what I gave you when I explained this device, your mind would melt, so perhaps it is best that you didn't "get it".

Believe whatever you want, be as foolish as you want, enjoy your "blue pill" and your self-satisfying world of illusion...

#### innovation_station

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« Reply #73 on: July 15, 2008, 06:08:05 AM »
now your all gonna get me going agin ....

you dont need me have a look at this thing .....

do ya??

i have never even looked at this thing but i can tell you this i can figure it out too !!

why?

cuz someone else already did...  if 1 can we all can ....

think simple....  it is the best way...

ist

gotta be plused dc ....

#### pauldude000

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« Reply #74 on: July 15, 2008, 06:23:23 AM »

........So, the hammer and the tuning fork are separate and that is what Tesla was doing.  The resonant rise stuff was just a means to get a higher voltage.  He stated much later when that resonant rise was not the best way to achieve this........

That is really interesting, as I have read tons of Tesla's works, both early and late, and have never come across this assertion. It would be great if you could provide a source for this Grumpy sir.

Concerning the impact resonance, yes self-limiting resonance is achieved. However, this resonance is self destructive, and doesn't provide squat.