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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2008, 04:53:21 PM »
@z.monkey,    just like aleks, I don't believe Hubbard used active electronics to pulse his coils.  I believe it is all hapenning due to the physics of the coils, like I was trying to explain.  However,  pulsing the coils with active electronics in sequence would make for a nice project to test the concept.  I think you got the right idea though.  The sequence of these coils pulsing around the perimenter is what does it.


@ all,   I've been thinking over the weekend about the simple setup shown below.  Just two electromagnets.   I was thinking how they would be exchanging the magnetic field and energy back and forth (after it is properly started of course).  If a person is familiar with the governing equations of induction, etc.., one can follow the sequence of events.  

As flux decreases in one coil, the terminal voltage builds trying to keep the current flowing, but it can't flow in the other coil since it needs to build up gradually, so the voltage spikes up and some of the current that is flowing will flow into the capacitance temporarily, but at the same time the current is increasing in the second coil and at a certain point in time the currents i1, and i2, are equal and i2 starts to surpass i1, at which point the capacitor is now giving up it's energy and current flows out of it.   The process repeats.  

But notice,  the current ALWAYS FLOWS IN THE SAME DIRECTION.    Now, we can extend this to electromagnets with a PRIMARY AND SECONDARY windings and hook them up in SERIES, as I showed before.  The energy will travel down this line by this same mechanism, and if the ratio of turns between primary and secondary is not the same, I'm sure this induces a preferential direction for the flux to shift, either clockwise or contraclockwise, or perhaps other physical factors determine the direction of flux flow.

So, as I see it, the eight coils are the actuating part of the device and the center coil is the output coil that has current induced in it due to this dragging effect the magnetic field produces.   Notice there are no pole reversals in the eight coils, they all point either up (or all point down) depending on design. So it's just like a SEARL device with the little magnets all pointing the same way and revolving around the perimetery (although his output coils are different)

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2008, 04:53:21 PM »

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2008, 05:01:04 PM »
@ all,   I've been thinking over the weekend about the simple setup shown bellow.  Just two electromagnets.   
Looking logical, and I like your idea since it gives a reason for bifilar windings (your first post), and CW/CCW winding pairs. Well, to be sure it is working all you need is to briefly charge the coil pair and then discharge it somewhere so that output pulse is measurable. If it is able to store energy, it is likely working like PMH, and is "open system". No much theory is needed, really.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2008, 07:22:50 PM »
Howdy,

So you are saying the initial impulse of energy chases itself around the set of primary coils?  Like an all inductor oscillator, or one of those transformer amplifiers?  It seems like the charge would diminish over time and need to have some maintenance current, but if the thing is able to draw Zero Point Energy then It can use that to maintain the rotating charges and provide output current.  Assuming the current in the primary coils is pulsed DC, it should have an interesting output waveform.

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Re: Hubbard coil
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2008, 07:40:15 PM »
It seems like the charge would diminish over time and need to have some maintenance current
In PMH it does not diminish for weeks. That's the catch.

And the windings are bifilar, each resembling a looped wire that is wound on two adjacent iron cores.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2008, 08:53:12 PM »
yes the current can diminish over time due to the finite resistance in the wires and hysterises losses, etc..,  and it seems the Hubbard coil needed to be restarted from time to time as well from what I read.    On the other hand, I'm sure if there's any overunity involved we can take the output and feed it back to the input.   Also, here's another thought, what if tunning is involved as well?   This device perhaps has it's own resonant frequency excited by the magnetic fluctuations all around us, and since the device is based on inductors, I would think the resonant frequency is very LOW, so maybe there's the catch, it's a very low frequency magnetic resonant tank that will get "pumped" by the 4 or 5 kHz magnetic fluctuations of the earth, or whatever pumps the TPU and other devices...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2008, 09:35:52 PM »
Howdy,

So you are saying the initial impulse of energy chases itself around the set of primary coils?  Like an all inductor oscillator, or one of those transformer amplifiers?  It seems like the charge would diminish over time and need to have some maintenance current, but if the thing is able to draw Zero Point Energy then It can use that to maintain the rotating charges and provide output current.  Assuming the current in the primary coils is pulsed DC, it should have an interesting output waveform.

Blessed Be Brothers...

And on they Deyo coil we can not see all the connections, but they look in series like your diagram. And all 3 rings.

--giantkiller.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2008, 09:58:08 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

The Schumann mechanical resonant frequency of Earth is, or was, 7.8 Hertz.  It is increasing.  I haven't measured it myself but I have read a lot about the natural "biorhythms" of the Earth.  There is quite a lot of natural radio signals generated by the Earth moving through space.  Most of these are in the ELF and VLF bands, really long waves.  The sun, however, is generating higher frequency radio waves and i would not be surprised if it is responsible for "pumping" the TPU and the Hubbard Coils.  The Earth itself is a receiver and the local transmitter is the sun.  It seems like the geometry of the coils would have something to do with the resonant frequency of the Hubbard Coil.  The larger the coils get the lower the frequency, just like mechanical resonance.  So theoretically we could build a Hubbard Coil to be a specific size so that it resonates with some naturally occurring frequency which would boost the output power.

I am firmly convinced that "free" energy exists by design.  It was provided as part of the universe by our benevolent creator.  This is something that has been very carefully hidden from us by our former malefactors.  They did everything in their power to stamp out "free" energy, and used oil as a substitute in order to make themselves rich.  Now Pandora's Box is open and we all know about "free" energy.  Today is a sad day for our former malefactors, they have lost their stranglehold on humanity.  May they die well!

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Re: Hubbard coil
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2008, 11:27:23 PM »
it is responsible for "pumping" the TPU and the Hubbard Coils.

Things can actually be different with these devices. "Quantum vacuum" patent link to which I've posted above hypothesizes that what is known as the "relic radiation" (microwave radiation) is actually a constant free energy production happening throughout the Universe by interstellar hydrogen atoms. It's not a residue from the "big bang" as established science suggests. It's actually more logical than the "big bang" reasoning which was probably invented only to support "energy conservation" (and there are some contradictions to "big bang" theory exist as far as I've read).

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2008, 03:04:35 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

Here's a new schematic to play with.  I feel like the construction of the cores is essential to the proper operation of this device.  The primary cores in my current Hubbard Coil are built with 1/2" by 8.25" iron plumbing tubes with 1/2" by 10" steel hex machine screws inside them to hold the ends on the mounting plates.  I had to bore out the tubes to get a nice fit with the machine screws.  I feel like this configuration is not adequate to achieve a sufficient magnetization.  The cores should be built from a cluster of laminated soft iron wires with the windings as close to the wires as possible.  The current Hubbard Coil also is configured with the secondary output coil on the outside of the device.  It is a 4" diameter by 8.25" long black iron plumbing pipe.  This configuration has seven primary coils symmetrically aligned inside the primary coil.  Admittedly this was my interpretation of the Hubbard Coil.  I wanted to achieve the same functionality as Hubbard but built with "off the shelf" materials.  This explains the less than satisfactory performance, but that is also the fault of my operational philosophy and the drive electronics.  Based on the new theories presented in this thread my Hubbard Coil and the drive circuits must be completely redesigned.  The design can be simplified drastically compared to trying drive the coil with a radiant capacitor discharge actuated by a relay.  After more study, the original Hubbard Coil was simpler, and that means more rugged, reliable, and cheaper.  These qualities are all desirable.  Eventually we may have to rely on these generators.

Blessed Be Brothers...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2008, 03:54:37 AM »
The hyperlink below contains an analysis of the Hubbard coil dimensions, wire sizes, windings, and derivation of the probable operational frequencies.  This might be of some help.

http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/hubbard.htm

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2008, 10:40:22 AM »
It always makes me wonder when someone does a complicated mathmatical breakdown of a project showing theory and dimensions....and never actually BUILDING the thing!

Why?  Surely if you'd done all the theory you'd want to know if it actually worked or not?  Seeing as G D Much produced this analysis 8 years ago and no news of a working Hubbard Coil has surfaced you'd have to hesitate to follow his directions...?

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2008, 01:52:24 PM »
Howdy,

@MDMiller thanks for the info.

@BennyBoy, well, you know some people are designers other people are fabricators.

I have always been a "lets build it now, and we'll do the documentation after its working" kind of dude.  At the moment I am trying to decide if I want to deconstruct the current coil, or if I want to start from scratch.  I am leaning to putting my current prototype in storage and starting anew.

Blessed Be Brothers...

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2008, 07:04:55 PM »
Well check it out!

We have documentation out the wazoo from 100 yrs ago. We got demos written about. We got flakes. We got prestidigitator tots! And we got all that in this last 3 decades also.

But we have only 4 real thingys going on in front of our eyes and that is the Bedini motor, the Muller motor, the Steven Mark coils and Tesla coils. These things work, are documented, open source and free for the taking.

Why do I say this? I don't know! There is definately something strange comin' outa the wood pile, eh?

Has anybody found the 2003 GM video of the vehicle that is a platform with a replacable body shell and a laterally changable steering console? It was white, the rear view mirror was a video monitor, you could look down between your feet and see the road, Why? No pedals. The platform was the power drive. I saw no gas or battery array.
You want to see something that will really piss you off? Then find that!

But press on.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2008, 07:32:17 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

So what are you saying here GiantKiller?  Do you not think that a Hubbard Coil is feasible?  Or are you saying the Hubbard Coil is similar to a TPU and is something worth pursuing?  Hubbard lived back in the heyday of Tesla and Moray.  I think that back then there was a more fundamental understanding of electricity.  Electronics did not exist then and everything was a lot simpler.  Now everything is overcomplicated.  There are electronics in everything.  I know greenhorn engineers that just can not function without a computer.  There are quite a few people on this site that use their sound card for a signal source rather than designing a circuit to generate a signal.  Other people here don't even know what an oscilloscope is.  When they find out they download a piece of software that uses the microphone circuit on the sound card as their input to the oscilloscope software.  Blech!

To master fundamental problems in electricity you need to work with real electricity, design actual circuits and not simulate something on the GD computer...

I would not put Hubbard on the level where Tesla and Moray are.  It seems that he was given the design for his generator through some divine source and did not pursue it to its ultimate ends.  Tesla and Moray were life long electrical experimenters.  They are the authority on electrical phenomena.  However I think the Hubbard Coil is worth pursuing.  Not just because of its alleged divine source, but also because it makes sense to me.  Also because I have been pursuing it for a long time and am determined to get it to work.  I actually did have a little success but did not know it at the time.  When I had the primary coils of the Soft Particle Reactor connected in series the device made this interesting little wave form which was down in the noise.  If I had my scope connected to the coil when the driver circuit was off it made this wave form that had seven peaks.  There are seven primary coils in the Soft Particle Reactor.  I didn't think to connect the coils in a loop.  I wasn't getting the amplitude that I was expecting and was obsessing on that .  I would up reconfiguring the primaries in parallel and trying a different approach with my drive circuit.  But, now, after encountering this thread, the PMH, and TPU theory, I may have been very close to getting the thing to self oscillate.

Think of each primary as a 90 degree phase in a sine wave.  There are eight primary coils, so we have two cycles running about the periphery of the center coil.  These two cycles of a sinewave are twisting around the center coil forming a magnetic vortex.  In a normal solenoid the flux is passing through the core material in straight lines at a right angle to the electron flow in the wires.  What does a vortex do?  It accelerates flow.  By forming a magnetic vortex around a solenoid you are accelerating the flow of flux through the core material.  This is where the free energy is coming from.  The magnetic vortex is supercharging the center coil.  Wow, that was some epiphany!  I am going to wind up a new coil as soon as possible...

Blessed Be Brothers...

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2008, 10:24:29 PM »
Hi Z.monkey,

Your message hase 2 parts.
The aligning the masters and their products with your assessment and next attaching experiences to the formulation. I could not have said that if I didn't know what I was talking about. It is one of the core thinking process of creativity.

You have stated the similarities and yes coils are it. Nothing new here. But also not complicated. Add Hendershot too.

Treat the tuned coils as tuning forks. Hook them in series, parallel, transformer combinations, circular. You got the where with all by your posts. If you think you were close before then kick youself now and get it over with. Press on. I used square waves to preclude using sine waves of higher voltages. When I first achieved the ringing between the pulses I leaned back and knew that I had the start of the reflective ringing.

I posted exactly what to do in my steps. There are other ways to get there. But at least get over the first hurdle. My efforts, for me, have been way cool. But one should not operate in a vaccuum.

--giantkiller. Think back about what you did. Strange scope shots are the key.

 

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