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Offline z.monkey

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #210 on: July 24, 2008, 12:58:11 PM »
Howdy Grumpy,

Were trying to replicate the original Hubbard Coil here.  The one from 1919.  The one that was just coils on iron cores.  No radium or high voltage drivers..  Last night I was reviewing some old documents that Pese had provided.  One had a picture of Hubbard in 1919 with his hand on the device.  This was the smaller one we all read about in the newspaper articles.  The device in the picture was 6 inches long and maybe 5 inches in diameter.  This is what we are after.  I did also see a picture of what you are talking about, from 1956, with the motor, distributor, and a vertical Hubbard coil that was maybe 18 inches tall.  What I am pursuing here is a solid state electric generator.  I think Hubbard figured that out.  While I think that your plan to build this coil is valid, it is not the path that I want to take.  I want to build the most simple device based on Hubbard's original plan in the most cost effective and simple way possible.  Then thoroughly document it so that other people can easily replicate it.  Of course all of this is in a state of flux, and the simplest, easiest way maybe to use a capacitive discharge ignition to drive the coils.  I have not had any personal success with is project yet.  So, in the end your way may be best, but I have to explore all avenues anyway to ferret out the right one.  So why don't you get to work on that how to guide...

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shubbard.html

Blessed Be Brothers...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #211 on: July 24, 2008, 04:38:51 PM »
Quote from: z.monkey on July 24, 2008, 12:58:11 PM
I want to build the most simple device based on Hubbard's original plan in the most cost effective and simple way possible.  Then thoroughly document it so that other people can easily replicate it. 

An honorable goal.  I'll get to work on that guide...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #212 on: July 24, 2008, 05:49:27 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Thanks Grumpy, working together we can help free the world of the Energy Robber Barons.

EMDesigns, your Cook Transformer setup is next on my agenda.  The eight primary coils in series are not doing what I had hoped so I am moving on to your original vision.  Eight Cook transformers hooked up in an infinite loop around the center core.  Each coils secondary will be hooked to the next coils primary.  We can do this two ways, straight through or alternating, depending on how we want the flux to flow in the primary cores.  If I wire the coils straight across it will create an alternating pattern in the flux field, core 1 +, core 2 -, core 3 +...  If I cross wire the cores then the flux will all flow in the same direction, core 1 +, core 2 +, core 3 +...  What do you think?  I was going to try several methods of stimulating the circuit.  Number 1 a jolt of DC from a battery.  Number 2 a square wave.  Number 3 a synthesized alternating current from my analog driver board.  And number 4 a synthesized alternating current with a step up EI core transformer.

GiantKiller, any results from the bench test of Gumby?  I really like the flux pathways on that one.  Maybe flux conduits?  Flux raceway?

Blessed Be Brothers...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #213 on: July 24, 2008, 06:39:23 PM »
Quote from: Grumpy on July 24, 2008, 06:18:56 AM
no on eis going to build this?   If you are waiting for the "How To Guide" - forget it. 

I told you exactly how it works.  It ain't rocket science.

I never know who you are talking to. :D
I showed up with a 4 channel device instead of an eight channel. I already mentioned my safety and operational specs. I plug this in tonight and see. It is physically programmable and can partially self destruct when things get out of hand.

The two types of operation are resonant and non-resonant. In resonancy the artifact achieved is resonant rise. In non-resonancy the energy transfers from coil to coil seeking resonancy. It has been mentioned that this device is self tuning. When the damped wave dampens to resonancy, the coils all become tuning forks. Kind of like a choir of angels getting in tune. '1khz, 2khz, 3khz, 4khz, 5khz' quotes Tesla.

Lol. I will call it EMGumby! Son of EMDevices thread.

--giantkiller. I think it is a doorbell to the heavens. ;D
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #214 on: July 24, 2008, 09:50:44 PM »
Quote from: z.monkey on July 11, 2008, 10:17:22 PM
Howdy GiantKiller,

Another observation, when the square wave goes low the ringing starts and looks like it is increasing in amplitude.  Then the square wave goes high and the ringing stops with the direct current.  Try giving it only one pulse, high then low, and let the ringing continue.  See if the amplitude goes higher.  You may have the brass ring there, no pun intended.

Theoretically you are generating a vortex in the ether.  The longer the ringing continues the larger the vortex will become drawing more and more magnetic flux through the cluster of coils.  The limiting factor is the physical size of the inductor cluster and the size of each inductor.  So there should be an upper limit to the amplitude.  What that is I don't know.  Also see if you can measure the frequency of the ringing.  There should be some relationship between the size and number of the coils and the frequency.

I think you have done it, you found the free energy demon, at least in one way.  We should be able to access this energy in many ways.

Excellent work...

Blessed Be Brothers...

 
I think you hit the nail on the head .. "try giving it only one pulse, high then low, and let the ringing continue.  See if the amplitude goes higher"  Its not that its a high or low pulse its adding to the chord.

Picture the keely device you hit the tonic then you hit the 3rd and the 5th and now you hear the chord ringing with the same clairity of the original "tonic" note but sounding much more rich and full  Like playing an open g chord but putting your pinky down too on the high e string . Makes the chord sound much more full.   So by "striking the chord"  you get all the meat inside it.  Just throwin this out there.
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #215 on: July 24, 2008, 09:51:56 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Hey Grumpy, I had another thought about the more advanced version of the Hubbard Coil you are working with.  The technology used to built the voltage distribution system is archaic.  We should modernize this thing if we are going to the trouble of unlocking the secrets of the technology and documenting it.  Where Hubbard had a motor, V8 distributor and an ignition coil we will do this with state of the art technology.  Just for kicks lets say a Microchip processor driving some MOSFET preamplifers which drive some heavy duty MOSFETs hooked up to individual miniature flyback transformers.  Each flyback transformer is connected to one of the outer coils on the Hubbard Coil.  This way we can programmatically alter rotation, frequency, duration and amplitude of the pulses going to the Hubbard Coil.  All this technology to drive a Hubbard Coil?  Why?  As we explore and learn the secrets of this device it might be useful to have the additional flexibility in the control circuits.  We don't have to use a Microchip processor, that is the brand I am familiar with using.  I have some single channel driver boards like this built already.  So I can just modify my design to make them eight channel instead of one.  I think we may need the flexibility if the Hubbard Coil is capable of doing what I think it is capable of.

Blessed Be Brothers...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #216 on: July 24, 2008, 11:13:33 PM »
After a quick thought about EMdevices' original "infinite bifilar coil" design, I've noticed one thing.

If you consider one direction, voltage of a initial injected impulse will be rising infinitely while amperage dimishing infinitely. In opposite direction, voltage will be diminishing infinitely, but amperage increasing infinitely. How do high-voltage and high-amperage active loads interact when they are connected via bifilar coil?
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #217 on: July 24, 2008, 11:14:22 PM »
tonight when I get home I will post a very interesting setup I discovered yesterday evening, by mistake!!

I was setting up a very simple blocking oscillator on my small breadboard, which I had done many times before and I was getting this strange high frequency "hash"  couldn't figure out what was happening.  I changed transistors and the same thing.   I was puzzled for quite a while but decided to explore the phenomena  (ususally means bringing magnets close to the core,  LOL  )   and I noticed it was not changing the frequency that much, but some.   Also, the frequency was so high, never seen it so high before, it was up to 50 MHz or so (not a clean sinusoid, but close).   Then I decided to load the output down with a 100 ohm resistor and the peak to peak voltages were still 10 Volts or so, so I figure a power output of about 10*10/100 = 1 watt,  and the resistor got realy got, but the input amps to this thing was realy low, 50 mili Amps or so from 10 volts,  I'm like all stoked, not sure what this means, but I need to explore it some more to make sure it's not measurement error cause I've been bit by that before.   Like I said, I discovered it by accident, and later determined why my oscillator wasn't working properly,  I had reversed two wires, just as simple as that.    By the way, without the 100 ohm resistor, the output swings 40 Volts plus and minus, never been able to get that before.  Also, I hooked up a variable capacitor and started adjusting, and the core starting singing, but the frequency shown on the scope is too high for sound production, so another weird phenomena.    I'm not sure what resonates, it could be magnetostriciton, but then again, it's way too high of a frequency, maybe it's a higher harmonic or something.  Maybe it's the capacitance around the coils, who knows.   I have a feeling it might be a case like Dr Stiffler's coils, where he found out that he can reduce his circuit complexity down to just a strip of copper, since he was dealing with high frequencies as well.   I'll have to do much more exploring on this to be sure I understand it.
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #218 on: July 25, 2008, 01:42:21 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

Aleks, I had considered those possibilities, and was considering wiring the coil in that way anyway.  But after another thought tangent occurred to me I have changed plans once again.

GiantKiller, I once left the ground off the noninverting input of a split voltage power amplifier circuit and it went into oscillation at over a megahertz.  I picked up the local AM station clear as a bell.

Blessed Be Brothers...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #219 on: July 25, 2008, 02:53:03 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

LocalJoe, guitar player, huh, me too...  I have noticed that knowledge of music helps me to understand electronics and resonant systems much better.  You have a thorough understanding of resonance after playing a Dreadnaught.  See, people who don't understand music don't know what a Dreadnaught is, so they just don't understand resonance...

Blessed Be Brother...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #220 on: July 29, 2008, 01:16:52 PM »

Someone told he never stop in halfway  >:(
Yeah ...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #221 on: July 29, 2008, 01:28:02 PM »
Howdy Khabe,

We didn't stop.  We need rest, been working hard!

Blessed Be Brother...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #222 on: August 06, 2008, 01:33:54 PM »
Howdy Grumpy,

Guess what?  I have been experimenting like a crazy man.  My analog driver board wasn't doing it.  It was generating about 12 watts, way too little.  So I built a power inverter board.  The first time I hooked the inverter up to the Infinity Transformer I blew up all the semiconductors with the inductive kickback from the Infinity Transformer.  So I replaced all the semiconductors with hardcore parts and the inverter works with a regular transformer, but will not drive the primary coil on the Infinity Transformer.  So, then decided to use a Relay Oscillator, which did oscillate and drive the primary,but I didn't like the wave symmetry coming out of that one.  The last setup was a Digital Driver Board driving my relay at about 20 Hertz.  The Infinity Transformer Primary was hooked up in a way that alternates the positive and negative side of the battery on to the primary coil of the Infinity Transformer.  This worked for like an hour of playing, and made some brilliant blue sparks on the relay contact.  Albeit it annihilated the relay.  The drive current and radiant kickbacks made the contacts so hot that the solder connections melted, and the plastic of the relay socket melted around the conducting terminals.  This last setup made some impressive high voltage spikes on the oscilloscope also.

So, Grumpy I have come to the conclusion that I need a motorized commutator to switch currents into the Infinity Transformer.  AllCanadian suggested that I use information from an old Tesla Patent where he is using a DC motor to provide the switching for the Infinity Coil Primary which dumps the inductive kickback from the motor windings into the Infinity Coil Primary.  Is this something close to what you were suggesting with your proposed setup for the Hubbard Coil?  I am studying the Tesla Patent now.  Quickly getting past the point of "off the shelf" components, I am...

Blessed Be Brothers...
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #223 on: August 06, 2008, 02:01:29 PM »
Nice progress report Z.
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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #224 on: August 06, 2008, 02:42:48 PM »
Quote from: z.monkey on August 06, 2008, 01:33:54 PM
So, Grumpy I have come to the conclusion that I need a motorized commutator to switch currents into the Infinity Transformer.  AllCanadian suggested that I use information from an old Tesla Patent where he is using a DC motor to provide the switching for the Infinity Coil Primary which dumps the inductive kickback from the motor windings into the Infinity Coil Primary.  Is this something close to what you were suggesting with your proposed setup for the Hubbard Coil?  I am studying the Tesla Patent now.  Quickly getting past the point of "off the shelf" components, I am...

Blessed Be Brothers...

Well, what I suggested does require a commutator or other switch if driven from inductive field collapse or HV DC, but not if driven from capacitor discharge which would require spark gaps or other fast switching - HV and very little current.

Hubbard reportedly used 11.25 kv DC and no capacitors, and a distributor (8 cylinder type).  Some speculative reports said his cores had radioactive materials, some say iron, some say they were magnetized - what I suggested requires magnetized cores.

Entirely different approach really.

I have an inner coil and outer coil wound on magnets but have not tested it yet - been doing other things.

EDIT:  By the way, a distributor will not handle much current, so I doubt the device requires much current to operate.
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