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Offline aleks

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #180 on: July 22, 2008, 03:25:37 PM »
     
Magnetostriction:
Linear effect          deforms length and twist both directions with alternating the energy applied   requires magnetic bias
Electrostriction:
Quadrature effect    deforms height and width in one direction only with alternating energy applied    requires magnetic bias
I consider both the be pretty similar. EM phenomena is after all both electro and magnetic, not separate phenomena.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #181 on: July 22, 2008, 04:51:45 PM »
eh GK


looks like the PMH on the blue pill.... 8)

awsome job

should we expect TPU LEGOS IN WALMART SOON   :D   

the do it yourself KIT lol

ist

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #182 on: July 22, 2008, 05:17:16 PM »
Hi,
@EMD,
Yes, I can push those vertical iron wire segments / PMH closer. Or reposition with steel keepers. Anything to keep the flux in.

@all,
The device as is stands there is held in placed by magnetization.

So,
I have distance between the center and the outers,
The segments are held in place magnetically,
And there are only 4.
Should this current setup get to where it wants to be and the parameters exceed the environment, this device will wobble out of balance and collapse. 8)
I can add 4 more iron wire / PMH loops in the future.

No resonance, apply pulsed DC / power for a second to a pair of the center and outer coil, and then release, measure by the scope,

On previous youtubes I show the signal was jerking at half second intervals. I now know that was wrong. When the rising edge hit that is when I got the spike. But, I was only looking at the effect on the scope. The signal additively wanted to advance and grow. The continuation of the applied DC damped or squashed the oncoming pervaenace of the effect or event. Alas, my event was shorter than reality of the progression of the circuit.

So that is where the operation of this unit comes in. It should vibrate off of physical balance. ;D

When I feel secure that this build can handle the greater event I will strengthen it with nylon cable ties. This includes low temperature meltdown as safety shutoff for later achievement.

The GK4 achieved this event but due the high speed pulses would super kick and dimish within microseconds. No sustain.

--giantkiller. One step over the line and this beacon will shine.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #183 on: July 22, 2008, 05:35:08 PM »
this beacon will shine.
Well, if it works, it is going to be a good shape for historical monument ;) Simple

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #184 on: July 22, 2008, 07:14:19 PM »
I still consider electrostriction a strong contender because there was an SM comment about piezos, the shape change is the same for either polarity of manetic or electric applied and it can occupy a section of a ring without affecting the rest of the ring. As far as being not feelable, neither is a transformer unless it is heavily loaded or cross wired. After all, piezo effect is a facet of electrostriction. Just not part of a TPU...IMO. Piezo shape change can be different for polarity applied. Not the way to produce DC. At least not that I can see.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #185 on: July 22, 2008, 09:32:20 PM »
Leedskalnin & Kunel show those magnetorestriction properties of the coil I posted. There are too many variables to go off on one's own trying to figure something out. A place for the flux to be housed and a method to constrict it.
Leedskalnin shows magnetorestriction in the generator picture I posted. I am going Castle Coral this fall. I am taking a stick, duct tape, string, a compass, and a neo-mag.

The men before us accomplished the things of our wildest dreams. We simply post those dreams still. Kinda like having a chain saw in a jello factory. It doesn't cut it. Alot of noise though. LOL. Hard journey, eh?

If you look at the 3 layer spinners that Hamel documented you can see the rotational compression happening around each circumferal outside magnetic rings. Now that this apparent I look at his other statements with more analysis. The first unit he made shot up into the night sky. He and his wife did not see where it landed. Sounds like Searle, Deyo, Brown.

Good advice and good tries are what it is all about.
I wind the center coil tonight. Then tests if time permits. Life happens.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #186 on: July 22, 2008, 09:57:20 PM »
A lot of movies lately... "Jumper", "The Prestige". A lot of inspiration for you guys.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #187 on: July 22, 2008, 10:02:15 PM »
Piezo shape change can be different for polarity applied. Not the way to produce DC. At least not that I can see.
Consider acoustical standing wave created in piezo element (near its edges) - it may produce DC I think (but this is only a speculation from my side).

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #188 on: July 22, 2008, 10:24:44 PM »
Bit back by history then very serious and hot disputes about every kind of chicken feed like whats type of capacitor, is it diode or not, etg.
Added picture I made by memory:    what are these boxes?
Why so small attention? I remember someone asked and another told that ... ah, it does not matter ... some kind of plastic racks ...
I dont think so.
In published correspondence with SM we can read very different things, as far as warm recomendations to use tube electronics instead of what we see on the video.
Even when those letters are authentics - not clear what is disinformation, whats is bluff or truth, has someone revised, added or censored. The only useful thing is video and belief that it was not fake.
By my opinion the shape, how it looks like, it does not matter - even SM had various, because giantkiller?s vision could be good as well,
I dont want to barge in  but what is your opinion about mentioned boxes?
khabe

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #189 on: July 22, 2008, 10:43:42 PM »
As to those "Boxes", I am fairly certain that one, and possibly two, contain the 9V battery used to start the "System"
As to what is in the others, that is open to any speculation.  I have theories, but they are worthless without facts to
back them up, and I don't want to appear any more foolish than I already do.

Art.

They may have small chokes there  ;)

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #190 on: July 22, 2008, 10:57:04 PM »
Well I don't want to stray to far into no man's land but we were shown small black video transformers as a clue. And then a string of them. Bend them in a circle and we are at where we should've been then. Here, the Hubbard coil and our very attempts.

How many ya got there? 4? 8)

There was so much to investigate at the time and I had alot to learn, then boil it all down to a few operational patterns. We are here. Let's not dig up detail where the pattern is enough to go on. Wise words of Loner's. Otherwise, the California fires appetite pales in comparison with the potential lost time.

To be fair, I am on a course of action to match up with the operational patterns of this technology. The subsets of this Hubbard device have appeared in front of me. Even if it isn't the end zone I cannot give up like many of you, whether you build or watch.. This End Time Addiction is most justified.

--giantkiller. This could go awry if we choose. I choose to stay on track.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #191 on: July 22, 2008, 11:06:20 PM »
Why not magnets and circuits ? I like some kind of magnetic circuit like "gates" idea. When videos then SM talking about limited time because unit comes too hot and will be self-destroyed.
In years he built and demonstrated there was no high temp Neodymium magnets like today (M,H,SH  etg), was just N28...N35 - normal grade where magnetic properties will be lost forever when temperature exceed 80C degrees, even it was 70C degrees this time if I remember correctly.
khabe

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #192 on: July 23, 2008, 12:10:39 AM »
Even if it isn't the end zone. I cannot give up like many of you. Whether you build or watch.. This End Time Addiction is most justified.
Even if it isn't the end zone. And like many of you, I cannot give up whether we build or watch.. This End Time Addiction is most justified.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #193 on: July 23, 2008, 12:41:34 AM »
Well I don't want to stray to far into no man's land but we were shown small black video transformers as a clue. And then a string of them. Bend them in a circle and we are at where we should've been then. Here, the Hubbard coil and our very attempts.

How many ya got there? 4? 8)

There was so much to investigate at the time and I had alot to learn, then boil it all down to a few operational patterns. We are here. Let's not dig up detail where the pattern is enough to go on. Wise words of Loner's. Otherwise, the California fires appetite pales in comparison with the potential lost time.

To be fair, I am on a course of action to match up with the operational patterns of this technology. The subsets of this Hubbard device have appeared in front of me. Even if it isn't the end zone I cannot give up like many of you, whether you build or watch.. This End Time Addiction is most justified.

--giantkiller. This could go awry if we choose. I choose to stay on track.
OK, Respect, but  why to be bullheaded. Im trying to tell you that your "iron" is not good. First  as material choice and second - its ill-proportioned too long compared to magnets and coils. Too big losses.  Wire you using is thick and such kind  insulating is also thick  - in result you have nothing inside of coils/between magnets instead of losses.  Is this iron wire the only possible choice you can find about ferros materials? Seems Micrometals not interesting for you but even wire if to use it must to be bit better stacked and more tightly pressed together. ... even non coated steel is better, common oxide helps against eddy losses as well. Soft iron wire, up to 0,5mm, black thermal oxide  ... Iron-Nickel  0,2mm fire - of course much better ... And cut surfaces need to be absolut perfect!
khabe
PS:
I did play with Hubbard coil somewhere two years ago,  not much results, then saw SM TPU in Overunity ... I lost interest ... but my Hubbart version is still  in my cellar, at least most of parts.

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Re: Hubbard coil
« Reply #194 on: July 23, 2008, 01:12:49 AM »
Howdy Khabe,

I have spent a lot of time chasing Hubbard's design.  He built it the way that he did, with the materials that he did for a reason.  Form follows function.  Hubbard's Coil worked then and it will work again.  You TPU guys are always chasing extremes, the Hubbard Coil is pretty boring compared to that.  Its just a current generator, bor...  This current generator is supposed to resonate close to line frequencies, have a large current supply at a relatively low voltage.  Perfect for running your, say, uh, air conditioner, heater, lights, lab bench...  Granted its not "kickin" at 40 Khz and producing 10 inch arcs, its a little more practical.

Don't be dissin' the design...

Blessed Be Brothers...