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Title: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: thorlong on June 29, 2008, 04:53:13 PM
Has and one seen this before? http://www.hydrogen.gov/thepresidentshydrogen_fi.html

-Thor William Long
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: pese on June 29, 2008, 09:31:11 PM
2003 !
unbelievably

2008 ?
unbelievably
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: TheOne on June 29, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
lol good point

Its just a front, they only care about making the oil price go up to make more profit
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: Sprocket on June 29, 2008, 09:42:31 PM
This is the same man that once said (paraphrasing slightly) - "they can have hydrogen - as long as they make it with my oil..."
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: Jokker on June 29, 2008, 10:37:20 PM
I guess it is illusion that "oil companies" blocking this technology. Yea tease ppl do not want it.
The problem is that it is very had to get it work fine. Im pretty sure that thing called "aqua pulser" is not a technology they need coz it is not working.  ... lol  ;D
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: pese on June 30, 2008, 11:08:31 AM
I guess it is illusion that "oil companies" blocking this technology. Yea tease ppl do not want it.
The problem is that it is very had to get it work fine. Im pretty sure that thing called "aqua pulser" is not a technology they need coz it is not working.  ... lol  ;D
The Industry is nothing blocking. IF there can make Buisiness and money with them.
THAT is sure true !

All that , that can disturb this "harmony" ist not wanted.

Possibly that is also true

G.Pese
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: ResinRat2 on June 30, 2008, 01:56:44 PM
What a joke. They've had Stan Meyers' technology since before he was murdered. You are right, it's all a front. They will introduce alternate source technology at their own controlled rate. That way profits and control are absolutely regulated to the speed that they see fit.

We have some really evil people in charge.
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: utilitarian on June 30, 2008, 04:32:54 PM
What a joke. They've had Stan Meyers' technology since before he was murdered. You are right, it's all a front. They will introduce alternate source technology at their own controlled rate. That way profits and control are absolutely regulated to the speed that they see fit.

We have some really evil people in charge.

But despite his death, Stanley Meyer's free energy technology has been widely available on the Internet and in the patent database.  Just use that to build your own perpetual motion car.  Even the patent must be expired by now.
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: ResinRat2 on June 30, 2008, 04:43:23 PM
What I understand, and somebody correct me if I am wrong, is that what Meyers patented does not work as described.
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: utilitarian on July 01, 2008, 03:45:11 AM
What I understand, and somebody correct me if I am wrong, is that what Meyers patented does not work as described.

And this does not give you the slightest pause?
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 01, 2008, 04:28:04 AM
Stan Meyers drove his hydrogen powered dune buggy across the United States to demonstrate his technology. It worked back then, so he knew what he was doing. It is just that he was very protective of the technology and did not fully disclose it in the patents. This is not unusual, and anyone who has dealt with patents (my name is on two so far) knows that only the barest possible information required to get the patent is ever disclosed. This is to protect the technology and not give every detail away. It is usually presented in a general way. Examples that are presented in patents may or may not work as they are presented, but the general theme is disclosed enough to cover the technology legally and protect the inventor.

So to answer your question: no, this does not cause me to pause, it is just the way of the real world.

Stan Meyers has said that the United States Government classified his technology as important to national security. Funny how he died right after signing contracts with the US government to begin developing his technology.

You can find this information on your own just by searching Stan Meyers name on any internet search engine. There is plenty of videos and material to see. Even lectures that he gave on his technology.

My only point is that this technology is already know by the US Government, and it is not being developed.
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: utilitarian on July 01, 2008, 05:08:41 PM
Stan Meyers drove his hydrogen powered dune buggy across the United States to demonstrate his technology. It worked back then, so he knew what he was doing. It is just that he was very protective of the technology and did not fully disclose it in the patents. This is not unusual, and anyone who has dealt with patents (my name is on two so far) knows that only the barest possible information required to get the patent is ever disclosed. This is to protect the technology and not give every detail away. It is usually presented in a general way. Examples that are presented in patents may or may not work as they are presented, but the general theme is disclosed enough to cover the technology legally and protect the inventor.

So to answer your question: no, this does not cause me to pause, it is just the way of the real world.

Stan Meyers has said that the United States Government classified his technology as important to national security. Funny how he died right after signing contracts with the US government to begin developing his technology.

You can find this information on your own just by searching Stan Meyers name on any internet search engine. There is plenty of videos and material to see. Even lectures that he gave on his technology.

My only point is that this technology is already know by the US Government, and it is not being developed.

Sorry, but there is no evidence to support what you say.  It is just wishful thinking.  I went out and read about Stan Meyer on the Internet.  Here are some interesting things I found:

1.  Meyer never actually drove his dune buggy across the U.S. as you say.  He merely claimed it was possible based on some short demonstrations.

2.  There was never any independent verification of his claims.

3.  He was convicted of "gross and egregious fraud" for duping some investors.  During the litigation, his water fuel cell was examined by three experts who found nothing out of the ordinary.

4.  No poison was found in his system or in the food he ate.

5.  He gave expert Professor Michael Laughton what was described as a "lame excuse" a few days before an examination of his car.

6.  Yes, it appears that he did yell out that he was poisoned when he felt sick at the restaurant.  But the man was notoriously paranoid.  He once called a bomb squad to his house to examine a suspicious package, which turned out to be simply some parts he had ordered.

Lastly, a comment about what you said regarding patents.  While it is true that patent holders often omit some details to try to preserve some secrets, there is a fine line to be drawn.  If the invention is not the same as the patent, a patent may not protect it.  In our case, there are some very specific electric circuits that are patented.  If the actual working circuits are different from these, then the patent is worthless.

I have looked at some of these patents, and they are pretty detailed.  If the secret of overunity is there, someone should be able to replicate them.

Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 01, 2008, 06:23:42 PM
Very good, I am glad you set the record straight for all.

Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: hartiberlin on July 01, 2008, 06:48:55 PM
Sorry, but there is no evidence to support what you say.  It is just wishful thinking.  I went out and read about Stan Meyer on the Internet.  Here are some interesting things I found:

1.  Meyer never actually drove his dune buggy across the U.S. as you say.  He merely claimed it was possible based on some short demonstrations.

2.  There was never any independent verification of his claims.

3.  He was convicted of "gross and egregious fraud" for duping some investors.  During the litigation, his water fuel cell was examined by three experts who found nothing out of the ordinary.

4.  No poison was found in his system or in the food he ate.

5.  He gave expert Professor Michael Laughton what was described as a "lame excuse" a few days before an examination of his car.

6.  Yes, it appears that he did yell out that he was poisoned when he felt sick at the restaurant.  But the man was notoriously paranoid.  He once called a bomb squad to his house to examine a suspicious package, which turned out to be simply some parts he had ordered.

Lastly, a comment about what you said regarding patents.  While it is true that patent holders often omit some details to try to preserve some secrets, there is a fine line to be drawn.  If the invention is not the same as the patent, a patent may not protect it.  In our case, there are some very specific electric circuits that are patented.  If the actual working circuits are different from these, then the patent is worthless.

I have looked at some of these patents, and they are pretty detailed.  If the secret of overunity is there, someone should be able to replicate them.



@utilitarian

do you have some documents for this that you can prove this all ?

We have seen the dune buggy driven in one youtube video and
the reporter says, it just runs on water..

Also there is another videos, where he is showing that one big electrolysis
cell is running his buggy in front of his garage.
Also I have a video on my

overunitydotcom

youtube user account,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lio-0aH6qTg

where Meyer presented his new sparkplugs and one english investor told
the cameraman, that they have tested the system and that it works great...

So as you don?t have presented any supportive documents about your negative claims,
I just see this as negative claims with no validation...

So from what did he die then, if he was not poisoned ?
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 01, 2008, 08:31:37 PM
Good job utilitarian, now you got the Overunity Moderator irritated with you. Personally, I just didn't want to waste my time with you.
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: argona369 on July 01, 2008, 09:19:01 PM
Very intriguing,

There?s lots on youtube if you search Stan Meyer

So, where is his dune buggy and injectors now??
Metallurgical analysis of the actual alloys used in the water engine injectors??
Who *currently* has the injectors and electronics, and what?s happening regarding to research and replications??

added: the dune buggy/injectors/electronics, not the WFC.
who has/where is the buggy now?

@utilitarian

do you have some documents for this that you can prove this all ?

We have seen the dune buggy driven in one youtube video and
the reporter says, it just runs on water..

Also there is another videos, where he is showing that one big electrolysis
cell is running his buggy in front of his garage.
Also I have a video on my

overunitydotcom

youtube user account,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lio-0aH6qTg

where Meyer presented his new sparkplugs and one english investor told
the cameraman, that they have tested the system and that it works great...

So as you don?t have presented any supportive documents about your negative claims,
I just see this as negative claims with no validation...

So from what did he die then, if he was not poisoned ?
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 01, 2008, 09:53:03 PM
Yes utilitarian,

argona369 was able to find other information on Stan. Please go back and use a better search engine. Really try and look this time.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: argona369 on July 01, 2008, 10:36:38 PM

Government lab perhaps?  It must be somewhere,,,,,

Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: argona369 on July 01, 2008, 11:42:29 PM
Anyways, buggy or no buggy.
To me it looks like a water arc explosion engine.
Nothing to do with WFC.  Except the electronics maybe.
Explosion pushes piston down , vacuum pulls it back up.

couple of quick searches "water arc explosion",

http://www.df.lth.se/~snorkelf/Longitudinal/node6.html

http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about370354.html

I wonder if like cold fusion, the injector insides were plated with
The softest coating of grainless palladium.

Anyone know who?s doing water arc engines these days?
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: lapperll on July 02, 2008, 12:10:04 AM
From what I have read, Stephen Meyer (Stans brother) is in possession of the dune buggy.  I have also read that it was missing a few components.  Stan had a tendency to not leave anything in tact.  Paranoid and all. 

  Hartiberlin, the two videos that you speak of show the dune buggy at different stages of development.  The one where the buggy is idling in the drive way in front of the garage is the first time that Stan ran the buggy on water.  You can hear him tell his wife "I told you I could do it!!"

  The other video where Stan is on the side of the road with the dune buggy and the reporter is interviewing him.  He makes the statement that they "estimated" that it would take 22 gallons of water to drive from New York to ??? (somewhere in CA)  The buggy at this stage of development did not run on injectors.  But he was quoted in a news paper article stating that he drove the buggy for 4 years on a chain of 6 cylindrical cells. 

  I have never seen a video of Stan actually driving the dune buggy on injectors although I have seen videos of it driving on a WFC system.

  Just my 2 cents.

Lapperll
Title: Re: Even the President wants a working model
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 02, 2008, 02:53:36 PM
Lastly, a comment about what you said regarding patents.  While it is true that patent holders often omit some details to try to preserve some secrets, there is a fine line to be drawn.  If the invention is not the same as the patent, a patent may not protect it.  In our case, there are some very specific electric circuits that are patented.  If the actual working circuits are different from these, then the patent is worthless.

I have looked at some of these patents, and they are pretty detailed.  If the secret of overunity is there, someone should be able to replicate them.

I apologize everyone, I was not in a mood yesterday of any type of argumentation. I was engaged in arranging care for my ailing mom and had plenty of responsibilities going on that were not allowing me to think straight.

I want to address this quote from utilitarian, who must have been having a bout of mental illness, or maybe he was just in an argumentative mood yesterday and just felt like attacking either Stan Meyers or myself. Look at his statement above, it does not refute anything I wrote about patents. In fact, it is supportive of my previous phrase about how examples in patents don't always work as they are presented and details are held back. Stan Meyers obviously had a working device that convinced the patent office of its legitimacy. The fact that he might have left off details from the patent are obvious because of many previous attempts by others to duplicate his work, or else it would have worked as presented. I personally have been involved in, and have my name on, two patents. The example I provided for one of the patents was a general formula that was vague (as I was told to present by my superiors), and it was intentionally vague enough to conceal specific details that are important for the technology to work. As presented the technology would work very poorly or not at all. So yes, utilitarian, people DO leave out important details, and what I said is TRUE!

Stan Meyers' patents may have detailed and specific circuits, but he cleverly left enough out to prevent the stealing and duplicating of the technology by others. I don't know what utilitarian's problem was yesterday but he needs to wake up to the real world. People do leave important details out of patents intentionally.