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### Author Topic: MARS and back in 2 days...  (Read 68160 times)

#### hartiberlin

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##### MARS and back in 2 days...
« on: June 28, 2008, 09:18:34 PM »
Hi All,
I just watched the movie
Roving Mars
from Imax /NASA.

Great movie and big achievement for humanity to
actually land rovers on the MARS and get us these nice pictures.

Well, as I am a big SciFi fan and have read many books
about space travel in my childhood, I really wish
we could go to MARS  and other planet much faster.

I just calculated, how fast we have about to fly to MARS,
if we want to go there in ONE DAY !

As MARS is sometimes only 100.000.000 ( 100 Million) Km away,
we would have to go as fast as about 1/10th of lightspeed to get there in 24 hours.

That is about the speed of going from earth to moon in about 10 seconds.

Here is a picture, which shows the lightspeed, which is
about 1.2 seconds from earth to our moon:

So we have to go 10 times slower, so that means about 10 seconds from earth to the moon.

So how can we achieve this ?

Does anybody have already an idea for a gravity drive that can manipulate gravity to
get us to this speed ?

We really need to get away from this old and outdated rocket technology...
That is just outdated stuff and does not make sense for real space travel anymore...

If we want to leave our sun system and want to explore other stars and planet and
our Milkyway, we really need gravity control drives.

So how can we do this ?
I really would like to see man on Mars
when I am still alive and the "going to the Moon fake" from 1969 and 70s should not repeat again...

So how can we get past the Van Allan belts without being grilled from the intense radiations
and then to the Moon in 10 seconds
or to Mars in 24 hours ?

By the way, watch the movie:

A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon

and /or

Please post your ideas for a gravity drive, that is fast enough.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2008, 09:40:49 PM »
How outdated that rocket technology is you see here....

Great music to it...

Up up up....

Blow it up...

#### TheOne

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2008, 09:55:08 PM »
Quote
So how can we get past the Van Allan belts without being grilled from the intense radiations

I believe that if we can generate our own gravitation field, the artificial field will protect us against the radiations like the earth do.

But how to make our own saucer that another story, first we need a free energy device as power then we can think of a way create
our own gravity

#### utilitarian

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2008, 10:10:46 PM »
While an anti-gravity device would certainly be useful for many things, it really would not help us get to Mars much faster.  Most of the way, gravity is not much of a factor.

As far as next generation propulsion engines, you guys may want to Google the following experimental technologies:

Fusion
Nuclear
Ion

With regard to Van Allen belts, it is currently expensive to shield against this radiation, so idea is to pass through as quickly as possible.  As propulsion technology advances, it may be more feasible to have thicker, heavier, hulls with special shielding.

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2008, 11:12:18 PM »
Have a look at this great video,
then you can see, how big the VISIBLE
universe is.

So how do we get beyond the 15 billions light years from Venize ?

Amazing jouney, from quarks at a park in Venize to 15 billions light years away..

You really should see this in HDTV, as I just have watched it..
« Last Edit: June 30, 2008, 12:56:34 AM by hartiberlin »

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2008, 11:21:45 PM »
While an anti-gravity device would certainly be useful for many things, it really would not help us get to Mars much faster.  Most of the way, gravity is not much of a factor.

As far as next generation propulsion engines, you guys may want to Google the following experimental technologies:

Fusion
Nuclear
Ion

Well, I meant also more some kind of space bending time changing-wormhole jump technology
or something simular...

#### TheOne

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• Posts: 985
##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2008, 11:52:37 PM »
While an anti-gravity device would certainly be useful for many things, it really would not help us get to Mars much faster.  Most of the way, gravity is not much of a factor.

As far as next generation propulsion engines, you guys may want to Google the following experimental technologies:

Fusion
Nuclear
Ion

With regard to Van Allen belts, it is currently expensive to shield against this radiation, so idea is to pass through as quickly as possible.  As propulsion technology advances, it may be more feasible to have thicker, heavier, hulls with special shielding.

I think you are wrong, since you are using gravity to move, you go much faster then the light speed, its completely another way or traveling, its no longer the old rocket shit that NASA use to hide the real vehicle they are using on other secret organization. NASA is just a front to tell to everyone only the rocket can be used and the other technologies dont work which is not true.

#### broli

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2008, 12:09:08 AM »
i still think using mere speed is the brute force way of traveling. Even if it's approaching light speed! The stars we see in the sky are from a couple hundred to some 100.000 light years far away. So even if you would travel at light speed. Your grand grand grand....children that where born on the space ship will reach them :p.

So what is needed is instant teleportation. Going up in a higher dimension and folding the 3d space on itself in that dimension and then  just making a small step to arrive at your destination. This is atleast the 2d to 3d analogy. Yes we are light years behind (pun intended) propulsion wise to consider something as teleportation. But why waiste your time on something you know the limit of. Ofcourse I do believe in surpressed technology so for all I know everything we see is a joke and an insult of what is really already possible.

#### utilitarian

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2008, 12:21:47 AM »
I think you are wrong, since you are using gravity to move, you go much faster then the light speed, its completely another way or traveling, its no longer the old rocket shit that NASA use to hide the real vehicle they are using on other secret organization. NASA is just a front to tell to everyone only the rocket can be used and the other technologies dont work which is not true.

How would you use gravity to travel?  Even if you could make your own gravitational field, how does it help you.  The earth has quite a large gravitational pull, but this does not help the earth move through space any faster.

If you are talking about utilizing the gravitational pull of another object, OK, but how does that help you travel faster than light?  When I jump off the bed, I am using gravity to move, but I am not going much faster than the speed of light.  If I were to jump off an airplane, even if there was no wind resistance, I still would not reach light speed, no matter how far I fell.

So what are you talking about?  Or is this just something you read in a sci fi novel?

#### TheOne

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2008, 12:31:34 AM »
If you can create your own gravitational field you are in your own gravity bubble, you can control the way of interaction with all other gravitational field including the earth or any other planet or galaxies, I cannot tell how its work because my spaceship is damaged so I cannot using it and see what append

Well its what I think you can do from all the things I read and see so far. That not coming from sci fi movies.

Anyway its quite hard to tell me I am wrong since you cannot prove it anyway

#### ResinRat2

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2008, 01:01:39 AM »
Yes Stefan, I too was excited about what the Mars rover showed. Once they solidly confirm evidence of water on that planet it is time for us to start going there and doing some terra-forming. Mars needs to be converted for human habitation, and with our population growing it is the best direction to reach for. A faster way to get there would really help out.

Steven Hawking once mentioned that we need to be a two-planet race of beings. I couldn't agree with him more strongly. A whole planet waiting for us to subdue it. What an exciting concept.

Isn't there an easier way to warp space?

#### exxcomm0n

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2008, 07:39:20 PM »
Folding space is a concept that has been around for a long time.

The idea of having a sheet of paper and traveling from 1 opposing corner to the other is the longest path of travel.
Concepts have been conceived (but not explored or proven) that if instead of drawing a straight line and traveling that line from corner to corner, that instead you curl the paper to bring the corners together and make the starting point almost (if not exactly) the same place as the destination.

Any travel of any type has 3 principle factors.

Speed.

Distance.

Time.

The 1st two are completely dependent on the 3rd.

Speed (in Einsteinian terms) has a direct relation to time.

I don't think we need to investigate the propulsion or gravitational means as much as we need (for our short longevity) to manipulate time (wormhole, timewarp, etc.).

This does NOT mean that gravity doesn't have something to do with time!

Gravity and magnetics share the same types of effects. Effecting matter at a distance as long as the matter is within the field of influence.

Magnetics have a small range of things that they can influence immediately, but gravity effects everything (we know of) always.

Just as I propose that electricity and magnetics cannot be completely divorced (in fact, I can't think of a way that electricity being used does NOT also create magnetic field), I theorize that energy, magnetics, and gravity may be different states of the same thing.

Since temperature is the gradient that we use to manipulate the state of a element (solid, liquid, plasma, gas) perhaps there is a different gradient we have not yet discovered that changes energy state (null, potential, realized, constant, etc.)

Wood is an matter that gives no heat or light until it changes state from matter to energy through chemical reaction.

What is necessary for the change of state in gravity (time)?

We answer that question, and the stars are ours.

#### utilitarian

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• Posts: 816
##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2008, 08:25:22 PM »
Isn't there an easier way to warp space?

Are you finding our current techniques for warping space to be too crude?

I will add one thing - excomm made a great point about speed and time.  If we can make a spacecraft that approaches the speed of light, then time will pass very quickly for the people on board.  This does not help people back at home, but at least it may be feasible to send people to far destinations and have them arrive within a reasonable time, at least relative for them.

This does create interesting problems down the road.  Even if we could successfully colonize another star system, there would be virtually no communication back and forth.  Who wants to wait 100 years for a response?  Though I suppose the colonists could continually send a broadcast to appraise of their progress, and we could send them news from Earth.

A funny thing would of course be if during the voyage, we did come up with a way to bend space.  The colonists would arrive to their destination with us already there.

#### Freezer

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##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2008, 08:49:44 PM »
Lazar has explained it in his video a while back.  He was the guy who talked about element 115 when it wasn't official.  I think the craft work just as he states in the video, by creating a distortion, in the direction they wish to go, continuously falling into a localized area of gravity.  I think he saying that 115 was used to access the gravity wave, and channel and direct earths gravity, while on earth.  I don't think anyone in the mainstream has actually created a gravity wave, that would be a pretty interesting experiment.

#### atlantex

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• Posts: 65
##### Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2008, 09:13:11 PM »
Why building a complicate device to travel. What about astral traveling, I'm practice this for years with some good results but far far away from traveling outer space.

I recommend the books of Robert A. Monroe to get a good overview.

That's hopefully the way the people will go, once the avarice and inequity is gone some day... (whould love to live in the startrek time)

Ahhh almost forgot, for those who are scifi fans, take a look at the "Takeshi Kovacs" book series, written by Richard Morgan, available in english and german and also as audiobooks. It's the best series I ever read.

cheers,

atlantex