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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1368745 times)

Offline Mr Magnusson

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1200 on: August 08, 2008, 08:09:44 AM »
What about adding some acetone in the water

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1201 on: August 08, 2008, 08:16:25 AM »
What about adding some acetone in the water

Hi Mr Magnusson, could you give us an idea or your thinking behind why add acetone to the water.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1202 on: August 08, 2008, 08:30:20 AM »
Hi luc!

Acetone is hi explosive and it blends 100% with water. Just a thougt.


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1203 on: August 08, 2008, 09:48:36 AM »
Luc and All

Acetone helps in petroleum fuel to breakup the larger molecules for a more complete burn.  In water, it might reduce the surface tension allowing for smaller particle size?  Here is some info from the man who advocates acetone for the past 50 years.

http://www.brightgreen.us/lubedev/smartgas/additive.htm

"The acetone molecule works physically to vigorously shake up every drop of fuel. It acts like an internal vibrator to vibrate each tiny bit of fuel so the fuel fragments do NOT ball up or glue together into large aggregate particles. This important additive guarantees more complete vaporization of fuel inside the combustion chamber where it really matters to defeat surface tension."

This very experienced man does not like water in fuel.  But, he has no idea what we are trying to do.  All his articles are very helpful, and I will apply what I can to improve the mileage of my old Toyota truck until I can get it to run on water.

Tishatang

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1204 on: August 08, 2008, 03:50:16 PM »
Acetone helps in petroleum fuel to breakup the larger molecules for a more complete burn.  In water, it might reduce the surface tension allowing for smaller particle size?  Here is some info from the man who advocates acetone for the past 50 years.

http://www.brightgreen.us/lubedev/smartgas/additive.htm

"The acetone molecule works physically to vigorously shake up every drop of fuel. It acts like an internal vibrator to vibrate each tiny bit of fuel so the fuel fragments do NOT ball up or glue together into large aggregate particles. This important additive guarantees more complete vaporization of fuel inside the combustion chamber where it really matters to defeat surface tension."

This very experienced man does not like water in fuel.  But, he has no idea what we are trying to do.  All his articles are very helpful, and I will apply what I can to improve the mileage of my old Toyota truck until I can get it to run on water.


Actually I had just seen a chemistry show on surfactants. One of the best ones for water is detergents, they had a paper clip floating on water then added detergent and it sunk. It interferes with the molecular bonding of water and is even used to get more oil out of old non-producing oil wells.

I tried it on the Luc setup and it did not appear to help, although it may be better if someone with a high speed video gives it a test.

Regards, Larry
« Last Edit: August 08, 2008, 04:45:29 PM by LarryC »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1205 on: August 09, 2008, 10:48:05 AM »
To answer 2 questions/comments:

Implosion - yes it implodes when there isn't enough power to make a big enough spark that the Lorentz force accelerates it away from the gap. With plasma ignition experts that I agree with so far from NASA and otherwise, the plasma for a combustion engine in these circumstances will collapse on itself or otherwise called recombination. The plasma is ionized and EXPANDS filling more space. Then if it is still small enough that it is pretty much in that gap area, the free electrons are used for the plasma to "collapse" or "recombine" SHRINKING in volume. That is a vacuum/implosion. Also, my pipe demo...you will get the exact same result with a hex nut around the ground threads on the plug with the depth of the nut barely extending past the ground strap...you will get the same suction effect with the paper. With or without this test, it is a KNOWN variable that the plasma will collapse and recombine rapidly shrinking in volume. If you do not want it to shrink in volume but want it to be able to eject away from the electrodes outwards, you can do it how I did it. Anyway, I posted a few pics in my water spark plug thread...you can see the ejections with and without water.

As a side note...the smaller power blasts that you will see and especially at high frequency, the plasma ball hands just right inside the gap. It is held there by thermionic emissions from the plug metal itself from the current that heated it up. Those are what provide extra electrons, etc... for the plasma to collapse, etc... and are responsible for plug wear because the same parts of the metal take the beating over and over but this doesn't happen if you use enough power to get the plasma to eject from the plug.

Temperature - yes, the plasma is a cold phenomena but when pumping enough joules in a short enough period of time from the low voltage source at a high enough frequency, the plug will get hot. Not from the plasma, from the current. Those 1 cycle per second or so shots I did in my video was enough space in between each pulse and at low enough power, it never heated up...even with 20+cps, never heated. Using my booster cap method and getting fully ejected plasma bursts outwards from the plug, you will make the plug hot..again..not from the plasma...from the current.

This is the video of where the pics came from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PGs2Tq_Vfg

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1206 on: August 10, 2008, 07:29:32 AM »
Thanks Aaron for posting the extra information on the implosion and also your new video which looks great ;).

@everyone, smw1998a has just sent me his Logic circuit.

Luc



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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1207 on: August 10, 2008, 05:17:03 PM »
I'm doing some pressure experiments with Luc's circuit. I recently shorted out my coil primary. Is it a problem feeding a coil 140+ volts when it's designed for 12-14? How can I protect it?

Thanks,

Dave

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1208 on: August 10, 2008, 07:07:26 PM »
I'm doing some pressure experiments with Luc's circuit. I recently shorted out my coil primary. Is it a problem feeding a coil 140+ volts when it's designed for 12-14? How can I protect it?

Thanks,

Dave

Hi Dave, I am doing experiments on this at this time and have found that pulsing DC voltage of higher than 48 volts gives no added benefits to secondary output coil. 140 volts would be kind of high but I think but the primary should be able to take it if you are pulsing the DC and have the ability to adjust pulse duration.

I will be posting a new video of a few thing that I have been doing in the next day or so.

Stay tuned.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1209 on: August 10, 2008, 07:11:08 PM »
@everyone, smw1998a has sent me this addition.

Hi Luc,
A recent addition..

Posted on energetic forum.

Hello All,
Time has caught me again as I have none! I will try and draw the logic circuit schematic tomorrow. Until then, I will just try and explain what it is. The circuit was built for a different purpose, like the charge pump circuit. I just cobbled it in and adjusted it to suit my needs.

The heart of the circuit is a CMOS 4017 decade counter. When the decade counter receives a suitable clock signal each of the ten outputs switches from low to high in sequence and then starts over. These little chips are great for ?Night Rider? type sweeping LED?s etc. The clock signal for this circuit is generated by a CMOS 4047B monostable/astable IC.

What I wanted from the circuit was a means to switch on the charge pump circuit to charge the capacitor for a set time. Then, to switch off the charge pump and initiate the capacitor discharge. At it?s most basic level, the logic circuit?s output is nothing more than a square wave with a fixed 90% duty cycle regardless of frequency.

The third IC is a CMOS 4001 quad two input nor. Two of the nor gates on this chip are configured as a set/reset flip flop. The output of the flip flop goes to pin 4 of the section a timer in the charge pump circuit. The first output ?A? of the decade counter sets the flip flop and this sends pin 4 of the section A timer high, switching on the charge pump circuit. Output pin ?I? on the decade counter resets the flip flop sending the output to pin 4 low, switching off the charge pump. Output pin ?J? provides the pause between charge pump cycles. Hence, the 90% duty cycle.

Output pin ?I? of the decade counter is also connected to an edge triggered monostable. The purpose of the monostable is to light the LED in the H11D1 IC and thus triggering the capacitor discharge. When the output from pin ?I? goes from high to low the monostable lights the Led for the time dictated by its RC components.

Frequency is controlled by the potentiometer in the 4047B?s RC network. Because of the decade counter the duty cycle of the charge pump is always 90% and the edge triggered monostable driving the LED in the H11D1 ensures that the pulse duration is not affected by adjustments to the frequency of the main logic circuit.

As circuits go, it?s not as complicated as it looks and the components are cheap and easily obtained.

All The Best Lee?

Wavorms attached.

Regards Lee....

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1210 on: August 10, 2008, 11:49:26 PM »
Thanks for the reply Luc.
I'm using your suggestion of 120 main AC thru a bridge rec charging a 100-150 uf cap. It charges to 160 and when the switch is released, dumps to the coil. Should I use a stepdown xmfr to a lesser voltage? ( sorry my electronics are a bit rusty)

Dave

(I tried a 820 uf cap...one hellava spark!)

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1211 on: August 11, 2008, 12:47:20 AM »
Thanks for the reply Luc.
I'm using your suggestion of 120 main AC thru a bridge rec charging a 100-150 uf cap. It charges to 160 and when the switch is released, dumps to the coil. Should I use a stepdown xmfr to a lesser voltage? ( sorry my electronics are a bit rusty)

Dave

(I tried a 820 uf cap...one hellava spark!)

Hi Dave, I see now, I wasn't understanding what you were doing ::) so, yes that is the correct way if you use my basic circuit (100-150 uf cap charged to 160 vdc) . 820uf :o wow that must have kick :D, never tried that large, I want to save my ears.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1212 on: August 11, 2008, 03:56:15 PM »
@everyone,

please have a look at a new video that I just uploaded on youtube.

It is a test to replicate and observe the basic effect of the Robert Krupa Firestorm style spark plug.

I will write more about the tests a little later.

Luc

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrrPu7AI50w

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1213 on: August 11, 2008, 04:35:41 PM »
Firstly thanks to Luc for coming up with this thread and then to the others for developing the idea further.

I really enjoyed building something that actually worked for a change.

I believe I have successfully replicated Luc's and Ossie's circuits and have been able to get consistently good sparks, and louder ones with water mist.

The salt water (or potassium hydroxide) circuit from Ossie gave the best spark. I then built a cylinder out of a clear 1" diameter plastic tube and using conductive water was able to blow a small foam plug out about 2metres (6'). The spark gap was fed with a syringe, 1 drop per spark explosion.

There is obviously not enough force to move anything heavier like a metal cylinder, so I went searching on the net and came across this Tesla circuit which shows a spark powered piston /cylinder arrangement. Obviously the experts amongst you must have come across this before. I was wondering if anyone has tried building it, and if there is any information regarding coil and capacitor specs.

I have also attached some pictures of my replications for your information.

Cheers

Sam

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #1214 on: August 11, 2008, 05:02:17 PM »
Firstly thanks to Luc for coming up with this thread and then to the others for developing the idea further.

I really enjoyed building something that actually worked for a change.

I believe I have successfully replicated Luc's and Ossie's circuits and have been able to get consistently good sparks, and louder ones with water mist.

The salt water (or potassium hydroxide) circuit from Ossie gave the best spark. I then built a cylinder out of a clear 1" diameter plastic tube and using conductive water was able to blow a small foam plug out about 2metres (6'). The spark gap was fed with a syringe, 1 drop per spark explosion.

There is obviously not enough force to move anything heavier like a metal cylinder, so I went searching on the net and came across this Tesla circuit which shows a spark powered piston /cylinder arrangement. Obviously the experts amongst you must have come across this before. I was wondering if anyone has tried building it, and if there is any information regarding coil and capacitor specs.

I have also attached some pictures of my replications for your information.

Cheers

Sam

Most excellent work Sam!... I'm sure Ossie would also be happy to see such a good replication and testing ideas with pictures and all.

Also, thank you for bringing this Tesla design to our attention. I is the first time I see it. I will ask user allcanadian if he could look at it for us and give his Tesla knowledge and opinion.

Keep up the great work.

Luc