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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405664 times)

bumfuzzled

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #690 on: July 10, 2008, 01:35:32 AM »
Bumfuzzled,
Thanks for the quick response.  According to the diagram (on pg 6 reply #235) the + wire goes from the strobe to the + side of coil.  In that path, is a conection for another wire (with diodes) that goes to the plug cap.  In the picture, that second wire actually comes from the + side of the coil to the plug cap.  The coil output (large plug wire) also goes to the plug cap.  I used 14g wire for the primary wiring and 10g wire to go from the coil output to the plug.  I use gator clamps at the ends of all wires.  My plug is a Champion CJ8, which the salesman told me was a non-resistor plug.
I agree that the strob simply simulates a cars distributor.  But what I don't understand, is why when I wire up this test as shown in the diagram and pictures (without the strobe though) I get no spark when I tap the + side of the battery with the  wire going to the coils + terminal.  If I remove the wire going from the + coil terminal to the plug, I do get a (normal) spark.  Totaly confused???

Sorry, I didn't build that circuit but you can try reversing the polarity on the coil primary. This is what I had to do to get mine to work with the other circuit. Hook everything back up and just swap the + and - on yer battery and see what happens.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #691 on: July 10, 2008, 05:50:06 AM »
Hi all,

Does anyone find it interesting and somewhat coincedental that after many of us have advanced the technical understanding of how we can explode water quite simply and apply it to an engine here throughout this particular thread, that SR1 decides, after 3 years, to release detailed information that makes no sense whatsoever of supposedly how he does it, whilst at the same time making his intentions clear that he will be protecting his rights to what he believes he has discovered and invented.

We now find all sorts of threads have popped up because of this that are going in all sorts of directions based on the information he has provided? Very interesting indeed.....

Regards,

Ossie

bumfuzzled

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #692 on: July 10, 2008, 05:59:41 AM »
Hi all,

Does anyone find it interesting and somewhat coincedental that after many of us have advanced the technical understanding of how we can explode water quite simply and apply it to an engine here throughout this particular thread, that SR1 decides, after 3 years, to release detailed information that makes no sense whatsoever of supposedly how he does it, whilst at the same time making his intentions clear that he will be protecting his rights to what he believes he has discovered and invented.

We now find all sorts of threads have popped up because of this that are going in all sorts of direction based on the information he has provided? Very interesting indeed.....

Regards,

Ossie

My thoughts exactly. There are too many things that don't add up between what he says and what the vid shows and what the pic and description of the coil shows. I think you and luc have hit too close to home for him so he's trying to throw a curve ball. If I recall he made several statements how he wasn't in it for the money and he wanted to help poor people yet he keeps everything hidden instead of letting it out so thousands of people can perfect it and get it to these poor people, then all the sudden he's talking about a patent. It sure got quiet in this thread after he came out with the new info.

Have you made any more progress?? Do you think we need a huge plasma arc to make this work?

 

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #693 on: July 10, 2008, 06:02:26 AM »
Hi all,

Does anyone find it interesting and somewhat coincedental that after many of us have advanced the technical understanding of how we can explode water quite simply and apply it to an engine here throughout this particular thread, that SR1 decides, after 3 years, to release detailed information that makes no sense whatsoever of supposedly how he does it, whilst at the same time making his intentions clear that he will be protecting his rights to what he believes he has discovered and invented.

We now find all sorts of threads have popped up because of this that are going in all sorts of directions based on the information he has provided? Very interesting indeed.....

Regards,

Ossie

The thing I found weird about it is the new coil have nothing to do of what S1r described on his setup. Also he talked about inverter on his setup. On his original setup you needed some kind of relay with 2 diodes.

Now you dont any of that just need one special coil.

Hopefully its not disinformation, we will see in his next video on youtube about his coil setup

k4zep

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #694 on: July 10, 2008, 06:17:43 AM »
Hi all,

Does anyone find it interesting and somewhat coincidental that after many of us have advanced the technical understanding of how we can explode water quite simply and apply it to an engine here throughout this particular thread, that SR1 decides, after 3 years, to release detailed information that makes no sense whatsoever of supposedly how he does it, whilst at the same time making his intentions clear that he will be protecting his rights to what he believes he has discovered and invented.

We now find all sorts of threads have popped up because of this that are going in all sorts of directions based on the information he has provided? Very interesting indeed.....

Regards,

Ossie

Ossie,

As much as I want to believe, and as much as I have learned from you and my own research, and as much as I am convinced that the process your are developing (that S1R says is not how he did it now!) has promise and that your engine and my engine will "run",........

 I will simply say if (baring a Radiant Event from unknown process of huge purportions) a 3 coil transformer hand wound over a nail with nothing but a large limited DC current flowing through 2 of the coils (7 turn and 13 turn)  encasing the 3rd coil (5 turn uninsulated!!!!!)  feeding the HV pulse from the original coil to the plug.......If this can provide a 200X boost in output current through the spark gap, the shifting of timing past TDC and this huge flash,  I'll eat that nail........I have also eaten crow in the past! 

Sorry S1R and all concerned, even with expressed sincerity and helpfulness, all have exceeded the limits of my gullibility..BS me once, shame on you, BS me twice, shame on me!...I guess we will have to carry on like ol Frank Sanatra sang ......."I'll do it my way"...............

Ben

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #695 on: July 10, 2008, 06:22:43 AM »
Hello all,

I'm a novice, but I've been working on this project too. I fried my inverter and I've decided to use allCanadians cap charging circuit with my setup. I've got everything setup andI can charge my HV cap
to over a thousand volts easily enough. My problem is that the voltage leaks out of the cap very, very quickly. I know this is a newb question, but how do I dump that voltage quickly into my coil? I'm trying to be of use, but if this post is too off topic, delete it and I'll figure it out myself.

Thanks for any assistance.

Hi lasher23, are you using a Microwave oven capacitor? If so that would be the reason why you cap is leaking so fast as they have a built in resistor to keep draining it self in case the unit is serviced one would not accidentally electrocute them self.

If you go to a camera film store and ask them if they could give you a couple of disposable cameras (that they developed the film)  the ones with the built in flash you could use the capacitor in it as they are around 120uf and rated up to 300 volts but don't charge them to this you only need about 120 volts or less. Make sure to short the cap before you take then out.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #696 on: July 10, 2008, 06:26:47 AM »
The thing I found weird about it is the new coil have nothing to do of what S1r described on his setup. Also he talked about inverter on his setup. On his original setup you needed some kind of relay with 2 diodes.

Now you dont any of that just need one special coil.

Hopefully its not disinformation, we will see in his next video on youtube about his coil setup

Hi TheOne,

You should really hope that it is indeed disinformation. Because this will make sense and it will be more likely that what he is doing in his video is quite real. Or else if his videos are indeed hoaxes, then it would make sense for him to try and reinforce them by providing detailed information that made sense and related to what we have found and developed here in this thread. He could simply have copied most of it. But he hasn't. He has provided detailed information that doesn't make any sense and if it doesn't make sense then it most likely isn't true. This would then serve the purpose of hiding what he is doing which does give the impression that what he is showing in his videos is quite real.

Regards,

Ossie


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Re: 7 degree temp drop
« Reply #697 on: July 10, 2008, 06:59:14 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cInPBfJ2nT0
7 degree temp drop

Temp. drop in an ICE would need to be determined.  Certainly could be cooler due to lack of explosive heat, but friction still will create heat along the cylinder walls, and any bearing surface.  So, IMO, no cold running ICE.  ;D

Livingwaters08

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #698 on: July 10, 2008, 07:01:12 AM »
Need some suggestions for ideas guys.  I recently got some nice plasma sparks by rigging up a similar system to xbox_hacker.

Ive used HV microwave diodes in parallel to block the HV and a 1000v 1a diode to block the LV from going back to the coil (which i am using my car to run).

Problems:
-  Spark doesnt explode like ones in video, even with mist added, still bloody bright though
-  Spark is very inconsistent
-  Does NOT work with rectified DC, perhaps something to do with the waveform in AC

I suspect that you cant pass LV via HV at the same time without creating a dead short, however i read something about a magnetic field around the plug generated by LV, being turned into plasma at the point of sparking, could be making the plasma?  Dont really know my physics, this is all speculation.   

When my inverter arrives i will attempt the same design with that, i will also try more/less diodes in parallel (to simulate more/less LV current).  I will also try xbox_hacker's voltage doubler, the 110v version and 240v (since im in australia).

Throw some ideas and criticism at me guys, its much appreciated!

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #699 on: July 10, 2008, 07:09:55 AM »
Ossie,

As much as I want to believe, and as much as I have learned from you and my own research, and as much as I am convinced that the process your are developing (that S1R says is not how he did it now!) has promise and that your engine and my engine will "run",........

 I will simply say if (baring a Radiant Event from unknown process of huge purportions) a 3 coil transformer hand wound over a nail with nothing but a large limited DC current flowing through 2 of the coils (7 turn and 13 turn)  encasing the 3rd coil (5 turn uninsulated!!!!!)  feeding the HV pulse from the original coil to the plug.......If this can provide a 200X boost in output current through the spark gap, the shifting of timing past TDC and this huge flash,  I'll eat that nail........I have also eaten crow in the past! 

Sorry S1R and all concerned, even with expressed sincerity and helpfulness, all have exceeded the limits of my gullibility..BS me once, shame on you, BS me twice, shame on me!...I guess we will have to carry on like ol Frank Sanatra sang ......."I'll do it my way"...............

Ben

Hi Ben,

Right on! All of my tests have shown that only a higher power supply voltage ,and/or a higher capacitance discharge, will result in a more powerfull water explosion as long as you can get enough water to come in contact with the larger and stranger arc plasma. There doesn't seem to be any real way that I have seen or tested where you can put a "passive network" into the discharge circuit and get a larger water explosion. Let alone power the discharge circuit from as low a voltage as 12 volts. A passive network will only waste and reduce the energy of the discharge and as a consequence, the water explosion will be smaller.

Regards,

Ossie


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #700 on: July 10, 2008, 07:12:34 AM »
Hello Group,
I believe that we will find quite a few ways of running an ICE on water.  Like the old saying goes..."there's more than one way to skin a cat," 

Let's be a little  more objective in our assessment of others working on this project.  Egos do get in the way!

Livingwaters08

bumfuzzled

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #701 on: July 10, 2008, 07:14:28 AM »
Was looking in my Summit racing catalog tonight and saw this coil. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D8261&N=700+115&autoview=sku

It puts out 45,000v at 2 amps. Is this possible? If so then why can't somebody just build a coil that puts out say 6 or 7 amps, even if you have to lose a lil HV. What am I missing here??

ninjadaniel

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #702 on: July 10, 2008, 07:17:06 AM »
a custom coil- not a bad idea, id imagine it would be huge though.  Perhaps draw too much power from the battery?  normal coil draws 5 amps doesnt it?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #703 on: July 10, 2008, 07:26:22 AM »
Was looking in my Summit racing catalog tonight and saw this coil. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D8261&N=700+115&autoview=sku

It puts out 45,000v at 2 amps. Is this possible? If so then why can't somebody just build a coil that puts out say 6 or 7 amps, even if you have to lose a lil HV. What am I missing here??

Hi bumfuzzled,

Aren't you making an assumption that it "puts out" this voltage and amperage? If it were so, wouldn't it be putting out 90 kilowatts? This is enough power for 9 or 10 houses if it was continuous. I think you will find that it uses a pulsed current of 2 amps for a 12 volt system and will put out 45,000 volts but at very little current. At 100% efficiency it will only put out 533uAmps (micoamps) at 45,000 volts. A microamp is one millionth of an amp...

Regards,

Ossie

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #704 on: July 10, 2008, 07:26:31 AM »
Looking for confirmation, people have tried S1R's coil setup and it does not work - correct?

I was going to try it as I do not have capable diodes, or an inverter atm, but it looked too 'kooky' to be legit to me!  On the one hand it's sad to see yet another inventor chasing patents, yet heartening to see him scrambling to be 'helpful' all of a sudden, despite nere a peep out of him for a couple of years - makes me think that we are on the right path!!! :)