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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405499 times)

retrod

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #660 on: July 08, 2008, 09:26:31 PM »
Strange.. 14 gauge uninsulated wire  for one of the windings ??? This sounds like a copper core instead of a iron core transformer. I will have to wrap my brain around the construction description. A picture would be helpful here. I suspect something is missing from the description as it does not make sense.

I am thinking that the design by Allcanadian on page 16 (??) of this thread  using just a 12 volt iron core transformer, a diode and a cap is a much simpler method.

Got a bunch of parts from Ebay so a trip to RadioShaft and a bit of time should see if I can get a plasma spark. Got a 7hp Briggs Electric start engine to play with so at least my arm (or leg) will not get sore from starting.  ::)



@hydrocontrol, I read it the same way, 'uninsulated copper wire' for a core yet further down the page a "nail" is mentioned to be added. I agree a few details are missing but it appears to be simple enough to replicate with what's been described so far.

RD

xbox hacker

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #661 on: July 08, 2008, 10:23:27 PM »
I would like to propose that, per Lucs request we keep this "on topic". So haveing seen the downloaded the PDF from S1R, we start a NEW topic for the discussion of his coil based S1r system. And keep THIS topic for the diode/bridge setup.

So i started one...LOL

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5112.msg111015.html#msg111015

hydrocontrol

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #662 on: July 08, 2008, 10:32:42 PM »
I would like to propose that, per Lucs request we keep this "on topic". So haveing seen the downloaded the PDF from S1R, we start a NEW topic for the discussion of his coil based S1r system. And keep THIS topic for the diode/bridge setup.

So i started one...LOL

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5112.msg111015.html#msg111015

Good idea. This thread should remain a alternate-better research method for making a plasma spark.

TheOne

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #663 on: July 08, 2008, 10:37:39 PM »
Thanks  TheOne

2  concerns  I have with the  pulstar 
Will it  handle   the inverter  current?   The  diagram shows the  pulse circuit  in line  with the  center  conductor .

About   the  gap
Their   Fac  sheet  says

Q: What gap setting do I use for Pulstar??

A: If your vehicle manual calls for a gap less than .040" then use the factory recommended settings. Under no circumstances should you set the gap to greater the .040", regardless of the manual setting. Back to top

Could  it  be that to big of a gap  causes  higher  voltage in the plug and could   burn  the pulse circuit out?

I think I  like the Torque Master better
I also think that  the  Torque Master design  might  help    with  oil  fouling like   Capicator   had trouble with

gary

I got the answer from pulstar

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The short answer is yes and the short term result is a decay of the electrode

link: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Pulstar_Pulse_Plug

Ricardoch

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #664 on: July 08, 2008, 11:19:03 PM »
@ wawez
Many thanks for the info on timers, It will help a lot.

@all
I read the post concerning S1r coil description and the new thread, so noticed that S1r announced inverters are not needed anymore as well he says the new coil design does not require to modify the motor timing.
(Tesla around?)
maybe this could be the way to avoid melting inverters ??  ;D
Ri

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #665 on: July 08, 2008, 11:36:33 PM »
Hi everyone,

Here is a picture of S1R's coil.  I took the liberty to enhance the picture by placing "readable" text by everything he had in his picture.  Hope this helps!

Regards,
Geo

AbbaRue

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #666 on: July 09, 2008, 12:19:19 AM »
Hi All
One can buy a room humidifier that uses an ultrasonic transducer to transform water into vapor.
The unit I've seen uses about 15 watts to produce as much vapor as 1500 watts would boiling it.
The vapor from one of those could be injected into this unit.

dirt diggler

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #667 on: July 09, 2008, 12:27:17 AM »
Hi All
One can buy a room humidifier that uses an ultrasonic transducer to transform water into vapor.
The unit I've seen uses about 15 watts to produce as much vapor as 1500 watts would boiling it.
The vapor from one of those could be injected into this unit.


Good idea AbbaRue.

I'm wondering if to make the whole electical part more efficiant, this could be used in place of the light bulb in the circuit. then there is less waste in the system as a whole.

ciao,  Dirt

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #668 on: July 09, 2008, 03:03:12 AM »
Do you think ionized water would help?  There are ionizers available that will ionize water enough to change the Ph down to 2.5 or up to 11.  The claim is that when water is ionized to high Ph (alkaline) it takes on a hexagonal cluster shape.  I wonder if this is how a Joe cell conditions the water?  At any rate it may be a way to add energy to the water to get more power from an IC engine.


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #669 on: July 09, 2008, 03:35:47 AM »
Hi all,

Just some errata pointed out to me by Ben on the schematic of my last post of the Proof Of Concept setup. The household light globes are mistakenly drawn in series but are actually connected in parallel relative to each other only. Also, the output from the string of diodes in the discharge circuit should be connected to the spark plug's ground base and not it's top pin. Apologies for these mistakes.

Regards,

Ossie


tishatang

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #670 on: July 09, 2008, 03:53:57 AM »
@callanan
It was a thing of beauty to see that engine "fire" . 

A thought came to me that is easy to try.  Add a little hydrogen peroxide to the spray bottle and see if there is more of a reaction.    Maybe the engine will start easier if perhaps there is some disassociation of the H2 and O2 and the spark might ignite some of the molecules.  Maybe this will aid the conversion of water to vapor state?  Sort of act as a catalyst by a little combustion to the process?

hydrogen peroxide (hydrogen dioxide) mixes well with water and in high concentration is a rocket fuel. 

tishatang

michaelpaul

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #671 on: July 09, 2008, 05:40:18 AM »
Hi all. I have read with interest the past posts and I have a question, of the drawing back on post #653. Ossie shows in his drawing near the coil, a device labled C3, which I believe is a capacitor? What is the value and is it a cap? I have everything else just about wired up and I need this help.
Thanks, Mike

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #672 on: July 09, 2008, 06:14:48 AM »
Hi all. I have read with interest the past posts and I have a question, of the drawing back on post #653. Ossie shows in his drawing near the coil, a device labled C3, which I believe is a capacitor? What is the value and is it a cap? I have everything else just about wired up and I need this help.
Thanks, Mike

Hi Mike,

2uf, 250V bipolar. The values are not that imprtant for the test. You can also use an auto distrbutor condensor here which is made for this purpose.

Regards,

Ossie

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #673 on: July 09, 2008, 06:57:49 AM »
Hi all,

I?m not sure if this document went largely unnoticed (thanks, stanis!) but after a quick reading I?d like to raise a couple of issues that bothers me. Maybe someone part of that group can help me solving the main question I have, which is about the temperature of the running engine. Is it running cold or hot? I?ve seen that actual power is slightly reduced and I?ve read a lot of other information but I was fervidly and unsuccessfully looking for the answer to what I consider to be a fundamental question: Tout should tell us a lot and it is not even mentioned
Well, what bothers me also in connection to the above question is the fact that 800W (give or take) is clearly not enough to make the engine running hot (steam is surely out of question) so, why the condenser in the modified tank?! On the other hand, if the engine runs cold (let?s assume for the sake of debate that it violates the 2nd principle) then it will actually evacuate cold vapors and keep cooling up to the point of ice formation; tank structure doesn?t justify either as it would make more harm than good.

Please comment.

Many thanks,
Tinu

Tinu,
IMO there will be friction......where there is friction, there is heat.
Livingwaters08


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7 degree temp drop
« Reply #674 on: July 09, 2008, 08:09:47 AM »