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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405526 times)

gotoluc

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Re: It isn't back emf
« Reply #540 on: July 06, 2008, 07:34:32 PM »
Just a small note to see things clearly.

This has nothing to with back emf and this is not what you're using.

BACK EMF is ONLY happening when the loop is closed...Back emf is is Lenz's law...the opposing current to oppose your forward current when charging the coil with 12v or your cap.

AFTER, the input is disconnected, the field collapses and you get that "inductive spike"...that comes AFTER your forward current that has back emf opposing it.

Chronologically in sequence:

1. Charge coil and the forward charge has back emf opposing it...that IS why the forward current applied field charges so slowly.

2. Disconnect and field collapses...why does it collapse fast? There is no back emf to oppose it.

Your HV spike is a time compressed potential...you put in work and you get back potential...potential over time is watts or work and work compressed back into time is high voltage potential.

Thanks qiman ;)... At everyone it would be wise to listen to user name: qiman here at OU who is user name: Aaron at the Energetic Forum if you wish to understand the effect of this circuit.

I may have been blessed in finding this simple circuit but truly I am an amateur in electronics compare to him and Ossie.

Again, here is a link to Aaron's topic at the Energetic Forum: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug.html 
and have a look at all of his posts here at OU: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4674;sa=showPosts

He has made 2 video's explaining this effect.

Link video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l54wlbi0Szk

Link video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8OnvanMi-g

Many are not understanding what this circuit is doing. I have said from the beginning! ... this is not a Capacitive Discharge Circuit

Thank you Aaron and Ossie for your hard work and time in helping to explain this circuit. Without your first step in testing such a simple circuit and then sharing your experience I think this topic would not be anywhere close to where it is now.

THIS IS THE POWER OF SHARING THAT MAKES THIS POSSIBLE... IF WE ALL WORK THE SAME WAY WE WILL CHANGE THE WORLD

God bless you both.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #541 on: July 06, 2008, 07:37:30 PM »
Luc, have you spun the engine with this setup? The reason I ask is most lawn mower engines have a aluminum flywheel and when you remove the blade you remove the inertia the engine needs to crank over easily. Engines with the blade removed will start but are hard to start and kick back alot. Just a heads up in case this occurs. I'm still waiting on diodes, bought all Radio Shack had and I'm still short a few.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #542 on: July 06, 2008, 07:43:28 PM »
@ bumfuzzled
Good point......ATDC might be safe for the waste spark... depending on the "length" (duration in time) of the plasma (white) vs.normal (blue) spark.
But you wouldn't get a "back" fire (still burning fuel/air coming out of the tail pipe on the exhaust stroke).....
You'd get a "front" fire coming back up through the carburetor.  Be careful out there, should you start introducing
HHO into the intake (along with water)...... as a waste spark "front" fire will certainly test your spark arrestor / bubbler setup.

@pilot/Mike
I read through your ignition setup on the B&S 5HP and your experimenting with changing the timing before/after TDC.
I assume you are no longer relying on the magneto with your improvised setup.
If you have attached your set of points directly to the OUTPUT SHAFT .... you ALSO are creating a waste spark, i.e. 1 per revolution.
If you can devise a way to run the points off of the CAM shaft, you would then get a single spark for every 4 strokes / 2 revolutions.
Then you would be "free" to place the spark anywhere that runs best! Hats off to you.  ;D
 
« Last Edit: July 06, 2008, 08:22:09 PM by goldenequity »

gotoluc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #543 on: July 06, 2008, 07:57:08 PM »
Luc, have you spun the engine with this setup? The reason I ask is most lawn mower engines have a aluminum flywheel and when you remove the blade you remove the inertia the engine needs to crank over easily. Engines with the blade removed will start but are hard to start and kick back alot. Just a heads up in case this occurs. I'm still waiting on diodes, bought all Radio Shack had and I'm still short a few.

Thanks for your good point but I'm hoping the 10" inch pulley and belt system to the electric starting motor and the electric motor rotor itself will do the job to keep a good balance. I had read somewhere that an induction motor can be used as a generator once it is turned by another source.

I wonder if this would classify for the Overunity prize if it start the motor on water and then use the starter induction motor to outputs power ;D

Please note that that is meant to be a joke.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #544 on: July 06, 2008, 08:50:36 PM »
At everyone,

I thank you all for your input and ideas! ... every idea has value and everyone is free to share and use the information as they wish. Please do not be discouraged if I don't reply to your post as I am really wanting to spend most of my time in the testing and development and not too much in the moderator seat. Keep your posts related to this topic and it should all work well.

I need help with 3 tasks.


Task one; can someone do up a list of Frequently Asked Questions? which I will add to the first page of this topic which we will also keep updating as we find new answers.
 
Task two: can someone compile all of user callanan "ossie's" (related to this topic) and do up a summery (using Ossie's words) of all the important observations he has found of this circuit. All his posts are here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=840;sa=showPosts  Please include the video links in the order he is describing the effect. I will post this also at the first page of this topic to help newcomers.

Task three: the same for user: qiman  His post on OU are all here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4674;sa=showPosts
and his post on Energetic Forum are here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug.html

In order not to duplicate this work! please send me a PM or an email at: gotoluc@yahoo.com and let me know what task you are willing to do.

Your future is based on your participation at this time.


Luc

« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 07:28:19 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #545 on: July 06, 2008, 09:40:42 PM »
@ bumfuzzled
Good point......ATDC might be safe for the waste spark... depending on the "length" (duration in time) of the plasma (white) vs.normal (blue) spark.
But you wouldn't get a "back" fire (still burning fuel/air coming out of the tail pipe on the exhaust stroke).....
You'd get a "front" fire coming back up through the carburetor.  Be careful out there, should you start introducing
HHO into the intake (along with water)...... as a waste spark "front" fire will certainly test your spark arrestor / bubbler setup.

That's what we call a backfire because it's firing backwards thru the carb instead of forward thru the exhaust like it would normally do. We're on the same page tho, it's all good.  ;D I decided not to rest today so off I go to see if it'll run!

gotoluc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #546 on: July 06, 2008, 10:09:08 PM »
Hi everyone :D

User name: Jetijs of the Energetic forum has a great replication with quite a large spark gap, the largest I've seen so far.

His video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSTu5eiZ98Q

Back to the garage.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #547 on: July 06, 2008, 10:18:48 PM »
Thanks for your good point but I'm hoping the 10" inch pulley and belt system to the electric starting motor and the electric motor rotor itself will do the job to keep a good balance. I had read somewhere that an induction motor can be used as a generator once it is turned by another source.

I wonder if this would classify for the Overunity prize if it start the motor on water and then use the starter induction motor to outputs power ;D

Please note that that is meant to be a joke.

Luc

Luc

Yes I have read  that a  standard  induction motor  will work as a generator  It can put out   about as much  power as it  would use  to run it .       
 ........ the   motor  should act  as a  LARGE  flywheel  sense it  also is being powered .  ..........



Assuming  you  get   your motor  to run  .........  your  system is  not  exactly  over unity  because  you  are using  a kind of fuel ......
HOWEVER ......... the exhaust  WILL  condense  into  water .   If  you set up  a  large  enough   cooling  loop ........it should   be able to run closed  loop .......... if you  are recycling  all your fuel  and producing  energy  there is no  question that you  are over unity       Running  closed loop  would also  put an and to any  possible   talk about any kind of pollution  from the  combustion  process


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #548 on: July 07, 2008, 01:13:03 AM »
Hi everyone.

 Several pages back in this forum a couple of people mentioned the peculiar thunking noise of the exhaust from s1r9a9m9 (mars 1999) small water engine.
 
 I've heard this exhaust noise before but spent a couple of days thinking about what engines I've heard it from and what they have in common. One engine I can remember that made this noise was an engine off of a Honda 3-wheeler 110cc. I put it on a go-kart several years ago. It was locked up when I got it so I honed the rust out of the cylinder and just put it back together. Low compression but it ran. At a slow idle it made that type of exhaust noise. Old John Deere tractors (Johnnie Poppers) make the same type of exhaust noise at slow idle. They are also fairly low compression. These two engines also have fairly massive flywheels. The piston and rod impart almost all of their energy after combustion to the crankshaft and flywheel before the piston is finished moving down the cylinder sleeve. The piston is pulled down the rest of the way by the flywheel momentum. This creates a vacuum thunking noise when the exhaust valve opens. If this engine truly will run on water alone I'm speculating that the compression (explosion) taking place is very short lived. Since I am on the road and away from my shop, this is what my next plans are if anyone wants to try them.

1. Lower the compression ratio by making a spacer between the head and cylinder block.
2. Remove the carbureuter and intake and block off the intake port with a plate. Tap and drill the plate
    for two metal tube lines with needle valves for each line. Use one for air adjustment and the other to
    suck water from a container.
3. Attach a massive flywheel to the crankshaft.

That's all I can think of for now.
Good luck    God's speed
Mike

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #549 on: July 07, 2008, 01:31:13 AM »
@goldenequity

You're absolutely right sir. It does result in two sparks for every one power stroke. Two complete revolutions of the crankshaft equals only one power stroke of the piston. I've thought about what you said and it is possible by changing the timing by up to 60 degrees to get into a condition where it is firing when you don't want it. I guess I have two choices- make a two-to-one geared points distributor or try it as is. I'm not too scared of a popback though because it is water. I've lost my eyelashes and eyebrows several times due to gasoline popbacks. The only thing is I don't know if it could be doing a small unnoticed popback robbing energy from the power stroke.Thanks for your insights.

Mike

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #550 on: July 07, 2008, 01:48:04 AM »
Oh yeah forgot one more'

4. A short piston stroke would probably be better.

I think the guy with the model aircraft engine might have a good chance at getting his to run. If he puts a regular size plug in the top of that small combustion chamber with that short of a stroke even a small explosion should make it run.

Mike

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #551 on: July 07, 2008, 01:56:08 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11sY8Sno_y8&feature=related

is this what is being built here?.........improve the spark, then add water?.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #552 on: July 07, 2008, 02:30:02 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11sY8Sno_y8&feature=related

is this what is being built here?.........improve the spark, then add water?.

Borg

This   thread is about  the  a circuit  to  improve  the  spark


The  video  is about  a  guy with a water injector  plug ...... 

My  thread   is  about   building  a water injector  plug  but I am not  trying to replicate the one in the  video

I am  just getting started .....

 http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5088.0.html


gary

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #553 on: July 07, 2008, 03:16:29 AM »
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #554 on: July 07, 2008, 03:21:53 AM »
Hello,

Luc Great job!!! Thanks for caring & sharing!!!
Is it ok to use a bridge rectifier rated at 400v , 25amp?
and what relay would work the best.
will this work on a pull start 4 stroke lawn mower?