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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405639 times)

aether22

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #480 on: July 05, 2008, 02:02:12 PM »
I will be testing on an 11 HP Briggs motor in th next few hours. I've got the carb soaking in cleaner, it was pretty gunked up. Soon as I get it cleaned out I'll run it on gas to make sure the carb is good to go then I'll be switching over to water to see what happens. I'll adjust the timing to see if it makes a difference. I wish I had a jet kit for the carb to see if bigger or smaller jets make a difference.

You mean you have the effect working after all those dead inverters?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #481 on: July 05, 2008, 02:15:26 PM »
You mean you have the effect working after all those dead inverters?

I've only blown up 2 and Kmart is pretty good about exchanging them for another one.  ;D I've had it working for several days now with mains power. I isolated the inverter with it's own battery yesterday and it works fine now. I'll have to put a light bulb in series to keep from short circuiting the inverter.

The only way to keep from blowing up stuff is either to be an electronics expert (which I'm definitely not) or sit on yer hind end and do nothing. And I'll bet these guys on here that know electronics still blow up stuff from time to time.  ;) 

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #482 on: July 05, 2008, 02:15:56 PM »
I haven?t seen the entire experiment and I have only a few idea about what are you trying to do. I?m spanish, but I will try to understand all that you say in your video (spoken english is a little difficult to me). But I must to say you that you have tried another method and that is fabulous. I?m very bored seeing every day the same experiments with classical electrolysis systems (using the electrodes). You have tried another method and that is very good. I will see what you are trying to do and I will write my opinion.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #483 on: July 05, 2008, 02:20:55 PM »
@ xbox hacker
You say the tests work for you without the body of the plug connected to anything? Will it work if the body is connected to the negative on the bridge rectifier like in the diagrams?

My hope is that the system will work on your ICE if the negative of your bridge is connected to your engine block.


@ everyone
Haven't done any tests yet, but hope to have something to report soon.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #484 on: July 05, 2008, 02:51:36 PM »
@anyone
Can someone get me up to speed on the principle at work here? How does the spark extract the energy from the water?

1. When hydrogen combines with oxygen to make water (ie when it burns), energy is released which can be used to power a device, for example some kind of internal combustion engine.
2. To take water and separate its hydrogen from its oxygen, external energy must be supplied, most commonly electrical energy through electrolysis.
3. The amount of energy involved in #1 and #2 above is exactly the same for the same amount of material: in other words there's an exact give-and-take of energy when you go from hydrogen/oxygen to water and back again.

So here's what I don't get: if you start off with water as fuel I don't see how you can extract the energy from it - in fact, you have to put energy IN to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen. So if that's the case, what's the principle at work here that makes this special spark able to get energy from water? Thanks,
-Mike


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #485 on: July 05, 2008, 03:10:40 PM »
I have uploaded a diagram to show what I have in mind for my test setup. I know it's not very detailed. Please tell me if this looks like a safe and plausible configuration to start with.
(http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/thumbs/small/1539116_ysw7l/plasma-plug-setup1.jpg)

I would prefer to do my initial testing using house current connected to the switch instead of from an inverter from a battery. I figure, no sense in using a battery when I have an outlet and my device isn't mobile enough to warrant using a battery, and no sense in taking the risk of breaking my inverter.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #486 on: July 05, 2008, 03:21:29 PM »
@anyone
Can someone get me up to speed on the principle at work here? How does the spark extract the energy from the water?

1. When hydrogen combines with oxygen to make water (ie when it burns), energy is released which can be used to power a device, for example some kind of internal combustion engine.
2. To take water and separate its hydrogen from its oxygen, external energy must be supplied, most commonly electrical energy through electrolysis.
3. The amount of energy involved in #1 and #2 above is exactly the same for the same amount of material: in other words there's an exact give-and-take of energy when you go from hydrogen/oxygen to water and back again.

So here's what I don't get: if you start off with water as fuel I don't see how you can extract the energy from it - in fact, you have to put energy IN to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen. So if that's the case, what's the principle at work here that makes this special spark able to get energy from water? Thanks,
-Mike

As best as I understand it:

The spark plug is ionizing the space in it's gap which creates an electric connection. It's the same process that spark plugs already use, and is the same process that happens before lightning strikes. Once the connection is made though, we are doing what lighting does, which is allow high current to flow through that connection.

The idea seems to be that we can turn water into plasma with less energy than we get out of igniting it. Plasma being the state where each atom is separate (so water plasma is monatomic H and monatomic O), and so we say that we have a field of charged particles.

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on this page http://www.geocities.com/waterfuel111/water_explosion_menu.html, the author states that investigators in the area water arc explosions for rock fragmentation in mining, have noticed the process seems to be 156% efficient.
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gotoluc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #487 on: July 05, 2008, 03:49:50 PM »
Luc, The posts were here this afternoon, on this thread.  Now they are gone.  I was just asking if they have been moved or deleted??
The discussion involved important information regarding fuel delivery to his recent achievement of running a scooter engine on water.
He also posted his circuit diagram, which I know is not the focus here.  I just would like to know where the posts ended up??
Thanks for your reply.
HHONOW

Hi livingwaters08, I did not delete any posts by capacitor70 in this topic. If I did I would of mention that in the reply to you. Also please not that if I delete a post I can only delete the content! so the post would still be there just empty. Can you show me an empty post by capacitor70?

Luc

Hi,
I did not delete anything.

Luc did you delete it, as you are the moderator of this thread ?
What was it about ?

No deleting of any posts by capacitor70 have been done by me. I have no idea what it was about since I was out most of yesterday afternoon and evening and did not have access. Maybe capacitor70 removed them himself after posting?

Luc
« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 07:26:08 AM by gotoluc »

ramset

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #488 on: July 05, 2008, 04:00:46 PM »
LUC somebody is confused chris crossing threads [and its not you]
DR STIFFLER I know LUC would love your input please dont be put off by a few that don't understand Chet PS most of us will be trying to grasp this effect and all its potential for quite some time

xbox hacker

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #489 on: July 05, 2008, 04:49:45 PM »
My set up rev 3.....  ;D

It works as a bench test! draw on inverter is very low!

+ve on the HV fro m the motor is VERY important!
« Last Edit: July 05, 2008, 05:33:15 PM by xbox hacker »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #490 on: July 05, 2008, 05:04:22 PM »


So how about it?  Let's organize some conversions.
We need technical skills, engines, money and people to do the work.  Most everyone reading this could help in some way.
So if you want to change the world then please reply with what you are willing to put in either to the list or to me and I will post them all replies on one post.
Can you donate an engine?  Technical skills (especially car related, in person or over the internet)? Money? Can you supply the electronics? (state where you are too, hopefully we can assemble teams)
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I don't have money for  this  kind of stuff  at the moment .......but I  did  do my part for today at least   
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5088.0.html

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So far there seems to be only Capacitor70 and I guess Supergod who have got all the parts together to do a motor test, if everyone reading this decided to make a stand and put in what they can we could probably deliver a fatal blow to big oil before the middle of the month, think about that!


I think   the middle of the  month is   quicker than is practical ............However ........from what I understand    it is  mostly  speculators  driving up fuel  prices at the moment .   
If   we make  alot of progress quickly   and word gets out ......  the  speculation  market  will  dry up in minutes  ......... Then  the  market  will  return to supply and demand 

gary


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #491 on: July 05, 2008, 05:12:40 PM »
My set up rev 3.....  ;D

It works! draw on inverter is very low!

+ve on the HV fro m the motor is VERY important!

Great to hear this.
Could you please try to show a youtube video of your running motor ?

How fast does it run ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #492 on: July 05, 2008, 05:18:05 PM »
I have uploaded a diagram to show what I have in mind for my test setup. I know it's not very detailed. Please tell me if this looks like a safe and plausible configuration to start with.
(http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/thumbs/small/1539116_ysw7l/plasma-plug-setup1.jpg)

I would prefer to do my initial testing using house current connected to the switch instead of from an inverter from a battery. I figure, no sense in using a battery when I have an outlet and my device isn't mobile enough to warrant using a battery, and no sense in taking the risk of breaking my inverter.

Please put a 40 Watts incandescent bulb before the greatz bridge into the
circuit to reduce the load current, otherwise it could easily
your components.

Be cautious, as when you touch just ONE wire
only, you will get an electric shock, cause you have no isolation-transfomer between your house outlet and
your circuit...!

resonanceman

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #493 on: July 05, 2008, 05:23:52 PM »
I have uploaded a diagram to show what I have in mind for my test setup. I know it's not very detailed. Please tell me if this looks like a safe and plausible configuration to start with.
(http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/thumbs/small/1539116_ysw7l/plasma-plug-setup1.jpg)

I would prefer to do my initial testing using house current connected to the switch instead of from an inverter from a battery. I figure, no sense in using a battery when I have an outlet and my device isn't mobile enough to warrant using a battery, and no sense in taking the risk of breaking my inverter.

Wavez

I think you  are missing a few things

there is a  diagram  by Luc a  little  ways back

I don't  see  a switch  or anything on your diagram

I also don't  see  any  diodes protecting  your   diode  bridge from the HV

gary

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #494 on: July 05, 2008, 05:34:40 PM »
Stefan:
I am so sorry, i didnt explain my self better...it works on the bench with a plug in open air, not a running motor...lol

I still have a big problem , when i hook a wire to the body of the plug and the motor, i get NO spark at all!!!!! The only thing that i can think of is that my HV is a negitave ve. And i need positive ve......