Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding

User Menu

Custom Search

Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1409285 times)

callanan

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #465 on: July 05, 2008, 03:04:18 AM »
I put the inverter on a seperate battery and it DIDN'T blow up!!   ;D But now when I arc the plug a few times pretty fast the display on the inverter reads SC for short circuit. Maybe I just need to get a different brand of inverter.



Hi bumfuzzled,

As Ben suggested, connect a 110/240V household light globe directly in series with the output of your inverter which is also what appears to be shown in the capacitor70 video. I would use about a 100W light globe which should work as a simple resistive current regulator for your discharge circuit.

Regards,

Ossie


DrStiffler

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 610
    • Stiffler Scientific
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #466 on: July 05, 2008, 03:18:20 AM »
No sarcasm, but ... WTF is "atm*x versus atm=1"?  Atmospheric Pressure? Please don't assume that everyone here has followed all your posts and knows what you are talking about ....

I'm seeking answers too - and my big unanswered questions are:

Why vapour?  If the energy comes from the latent heat of liquid water, then why not use water - and get the spark to turn the water into vapour, liberating the most energy?

Why compression?  That's applying existing ICE ideas to something that may not behave anything like an ICE.  AFAIK, lightening bolts in a storm cloud are in localised low pressure zones ... a depression weather event.

Why air?  Hydrocarbon fuels require oxygen, but water already contains oxygen.  And maybe the effect we want isn't the high temp disassociation of hydrogen & oxygen anyway (that would appear to require too much power input)? 

So is the ideal process Anaerobic?

I'm not wanting to muddy the waters - I really want to clarify the very essence of the overunity principle that is being tested here.  There will be many versions of working designs - but we need to understand the heart of the working principle ... there have been many false leads so far.

For example - can we safely consider that "special inverters" was a mistake/red-herring/mis-direction?


Thanks for the succinct response. I am now  assured its all under control and I will be of no help.

resonanceman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1579
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #467 on: July 05, 2008, 03:30:48 AM »


Why vapour?  If the energy comes from the latent heat of liquid water, then why not use water - and get the spark to turn the water into vapour, liberating the most energy?


Quote

In my opinion   vapor is the easy road .
If a motor  can be shown to run a little by dripping  water into the  intake  .......then    uncontroled  water into the intake  is  the right way to go .      .....................................

Personally  I don't think  there is  much  way to  control  the  process using  mist  .
Unless   control  can be found by manipulaing the  LV  current .
A motor  in a car  needs a high  degree of  control .


I think   that  injecting water  at the plug .........or in the plug    is the way  to  go.............
Making  the  first injector  plugs   will not  be   quick or easy .
I don't have the money to even start  the  process  right now



Quote


Why compression?  That's applying existing ICE ideas to something that may not behave anything like an ICE.  AFAIK, lightening bolts in a storm cloud are in localised low pressure zones ... a depression weather event.


I think that  compression   should work the same   with  a water motor .........   A  spark  in  a vacume  makes no   noise ...and can do no work .    It  only radiates  heat and light .
The  more  pressure   in the  cylinder  the more  work can  be done .


Quote


Why air?  Hydrocarbon fuels require oxygen, but water already contains oxygen.  And maybe the effect we want isn't the high temp disassociation of hydrogen & oxygen anyway (that would appear to require too much power input)? 

So is the ideal process Anaerobic?


I don't think that this process really needs  air ...........but it is kind of hard to get rid of .
and  I don't think it  is  hurting anything .






gary

send_to_nice

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 19
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #468 on: July 05, 2008, 03:56:08 AM »
My turn to ask if I am missing something...

Am I missing something? Does a spark automatically imply that kinetic energy must also be being released in the form of expansion of gases? I know this forum is focussed on working on the spark, but says who that a spark will be of any use? Sure, we can make it bigger, but to me it's still just a spark.

That's why i keep suggesting we expand this to examine more than just the spark. I think we need to figure out if the spark can be used to do useful work for us. I don't know how many read my posts on here though.

callanan

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #469 on: July 05, 2008, 04:08:33 AM »
My turn to ask if I am missing something...

Am I missing something? Does a spark automatically imply that kinetic energy must also be being released in the form of expansion of gases? I know this forum is focussed on working on the spark, but says who that a spark will be of any use? Sure, we can make it bigger, but to me it's still just a spark.

That's why i keep suggesting we expand this to examine more than just the spark. I think we need to figure out if the spark can be used to do useful work for us. I don't know how many read my posts on here though.

Hi send_to_nice,

I have read your posts. But I don't know if you have read all of my posts on here though from the beginning.

Regards,

Ossie

resonanceman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1579
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #470 on: July 05, 2008, 04:20:48 AM »
My turn to ask if I am missing something...

Am I missing something? Does a spark automatically imply that kinetic energy must also be being released in the form of expansion of gases? I know this forum is focussed on working on the spark, but says who that a spark will be of any use? Sure, we can make it bigger, but to me it's still just a spark.


Does a spark imply ......... 
Are you  trying to figure  out  what laws of physics  this falls under ?
This  thread is an  offshoot  of  a thread  for  attempting  a replication  the  S1r9  car

We  started  with the information we had .......and have been  trying  to move on from there .

Quote
That's why i keep suggesting we expand this to examine more than just the spark. I think we need to figure out if the spark can be used to do useful work for us. I don't know how many read my posts on here though.

If you  have  some  ideas that may  help with this  project  please  state them .........  If  your ideas end up  evolving into a different  project ...........they  you should probably start a new thread for  your project .

I  am  lookiing for  energy freedom ......  if your  ideas  lead  in the direction  of  practical energy in an ariea  that i can understand ..........then I am with you . 


gary

callanan

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #471 on: July 05, 2008, 04:25:15 AM »
Hi all,

capacitor70 has an earlier video on youtube of his demonstration of the difference when water is sprayed onto a park plug connected to an approprate LV current discharge circuit. It is very well edited and clear as follows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBkqNc0GrQ

I commend him on his efforts. He is the same person with the working motorcylce engine video that appears to to run for short periods on this principle with only water being fed into the carburator. Again, the video is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnUv6M0N6z4

Regards,

Ossie


livingwaters08

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 31
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #472 on: July 05, 2008, 07:06:42 AM »
Just a quick question,
What happened to all of the posts by capacitor70 and his attempt to get the water delivery to his scooter engine solved??   Deleted??
 ???
HHONOW

livingwaters08

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 31
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #473 on: July 05, 2008, 07:22:33 AM »
@Group
Please pardon my intrusion, but I have missed a valuable bit of information and hope someone will point me in the right direction (without sarcasm).

Where is the information on why one needs atm*x versus atm=1 to observe the effect of the plasma on vapor? Has no one tried something as simple as I have?

I may be all wrong, but is the basis of the research on a few people that have stated they have engines running or is it based on the ability of blowing up a simple plastic bottle containing some vapor and a plug?

Please, I do want to explore this, but as so many say about my work, they want supporting information.

Thanks Much....

Dr Stiffler,
Perhaps if you could elborate a bit on your equation, maybe a few of us here may be able to help out.....in some small way.
HHONOW ;)

gotoluc

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3096
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #474 on: July 05, 2008, 07:38:13 AM »
Just a quick question,
What happened to all of the posts by capacitor70 and his attempt to get the water delivery to his scooter engine solved??   Deleted??
 ???
HHONOW

Hi livingwaters08, can you tell us which posts by capacitor70 got deleted in this topic ?...If you are talking about another topic then why are you asking about that here?

Luc

nightlife

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1107
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #475 on: July 05, 2008, 07:44:41 AM »
I just came across this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXYGgMuFZUs&NR=1

 It does not show the coil but it shows a wire attached the spark plug base and one to a ground of the engine.


livingwaters08

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 31
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #476 on: July 05, 2008, 08:04:11 AM »
Hi livingwaters08, can you tell us which posts by capacitor70 got deleted in this topic ?...If you are talking about another topic then why are you asking about that here?

Luc

Luc, The posts were here this afternoon, on this thread.  Now they are gone.  I was just asking if they have been moved or deleted??
The discussion involved important information regarding fuel delivery to his recent achievement of running a scooter engine on water.
He also posted his circuit diagram, which I know is not the focus here.  I just would like to know where the posts ended up??
Thanks for your reply.


HHONOW

hartiberlin

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8154
    • free energy research OverUnity.com
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #477 on: July 05, 2008, 12:22:17 PM »
Luc, The posts were here this afternoon, on this thread.  Now they are gone.  I was just asking if they have been moved or deleted??
The discussion involved important information regarding fuel delivery to his recent achievement of running a scooter engine on water.
He also posted his circuit diagram, which I know is not the focus here.  I just would like to know where the posts ended up??
Thanks for your reply.


HHONOW

Hi,
I did not delete anything.

Luc did you delete it, as you are the moderator of this thread ?
What was it about ?

aether22

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1049
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #478 on: July 05, 2008, 01:38:36 PM »
My turn to ask if I am missing something...

Am I missing something? Does a spark automatically imply that kinetic energy must also be being released in the form of expansion of gases? I know this forum is focussed on working on the spark, but says who that a spark will be of any use? Sure, we can make it bigger, but to me it's still just a spark.

That's why i keep suggesting we expand this to examine more than just the spark. I think we need to figure out if the spark can be used to do useful work for us. I don't know how many read my posts on here though.
I read and agree.

Without putting this into en engine or possibly some other test (though really only an engine of some description will cause the energy revolution we are seeking) this is all just a waste of time.

How do you know that the best looking or least energy using sparks will be the best for an engine?

The subject of this thread is "URGENT!  WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE"

Not 'Noisey water arcs circuit refinement for experimenters'

It should be about using water as fuel, read Luc's first post if you are at all unclear on this issue.
And as such it must be put to the application of generating power, more than is being put in.

I couldn't help but think the other night how this could be used to create rocket engines that would be easy to make as they would not get hot and only require water.
You could even look at a patent by T.T Brown on how to turns kintetic energy in a gas into electricity, or use it to compress air.
But wait, there is a far far more straightforward way to use this and it is the perfect time since everyone is grumbling about fuel prices, it is to use an ICE as S1r did requiring only relatively minor modification in many cases it seems.

It is clearly the aim of Luc (unless he states otherwise but from his first post I can't believe he would) and this thread (and most people reading) to make ICE's that run on water.
And as such a strong focused effort should be made to do this and document it right.

So for that first we need info to find out what type of engines might be best suited.
And any modification that must be made to get an engine running.

And then once there is at least one (but preferably several simultaneously) fully documented conversions then if WWIII doesn't start or aliens don't invade oil is dead.
It seems we are a heart beat away (providing S1r9a9m9 and Meyer are right) and all that is needed is a focused effort.

So how about it?  Let's organize some conversions.
We need technical skills, engines, money and people to do the work.  Most everyone reading this could help in some way.
So if you want to change the world then please reply with what you are willing to put in either to the list or to me and I will post them all replies on one post.
Can you donate an engine?  Technical skills (especially car related, in person or over the internet)? Money? Can you supply the electronics? (state where you are too, hopefully we can assemble teams)

I figure there are far more people here who can do half the job, and so on or off list it is an issue of recruiting more people.
So far there seems to be only Capacitor70 and I guess Supergod who have got all the parts together to do a motor test, if everyone reading this decided to make a stand and put in what they can we could probably deliver a fatal blow to big oil before the middle of the month, think about that!

Do you know the number one reason Free Energy if not out there yet? It is because it is not supported by a large group working together as one, but by a random collection of lone experimenters who are unlikely to get anywhere without the ability to pull together. (admittedly the enigmatic nature of the aether is also a barrier)

So anyone who can't fund a company size effort will fail, we must become a company, a team, we must use our skill and resources as one.

bumfuzzled

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 77
Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #479 on: July 05, 2008, 01:55:25 PM »
I will be testing on an 11 HP Briggs motor in th next few hours. I've got the carb soaking in cleaner, it was pretty gunked up. Soon as I get it cleaned out I'll run it on gas to make sure the carb is good to go then I'll be switching over to water to see what happens. I'll adjust the timing to see if it makes a difference. I wish I had a jet kit for the carb to see if bigger or smaller jets make a difference.