@Luc: All hail the Moderator!

but seriously, what is the direction you'd like this to go, Luc?
Do you want to move toward using this very cool effect in an actual engine,
like s1r9a9m9 (claims he) has done?
Or are you more interested in studying the effect itself?

I myself would like to see if s1r9a9m9's V8 running on water without need
for battery recharging setup really works, and if so, convert a car
to run on it... And a generator as well, to produce real free energy to
power the household.
After all, if it is indeed possible to run a V8 on it, then it must be possible
to run a generator on it... And if the V8 car never needs battery recharge
because it is truly OU, then obviously so would the generator.
Perhaps it would even be better to focus on getting a generator to run
on this, and just use an electric car. Lotus has a nice one coming out
soon, and with all the $$ I'd be saving on electrical and gas bills
it shouldn't take very long to be able to get one of those...

Luc, I ask because well it was your thread to begin with, although
I think we're all very happy that Ossie jumped in too , and because
I see people trying to (and sometimes succeeding) replicate the effect,
but no clear goal or direction we're working towards...

Who of us here is anxious to try it in an engine setup?
I myself would love to get started right away, but unfortunately I am a terrible
mechanic and just fixing something on a normal car engine already takes
ages, so I don't think I am the one to head this off.
I am definately willing to waste my time trying to replicate someones example
though, so if someone has or can give a clear step-by-step overview of how
to alter the engine and probably most importantly the circuitry involved and
how to hook that to conventional controls, that would certainly help a lot.

Sort of like that great description Ossie gave of the test circuit.

So, what does everyone think?

I don't think Luc could answer that, obviously he would like 1,000 replications of S1R's effect in cars before the end of the week, but it is each experimenter that is going to have to do the work, take the risks and pay the bills (and learn the skills).

That said this is going to be useless if no one trys it in an ICE, so any experimenters who have the right skills and gear should definitely try that, but let's face it not everyone here has the skills or an ICE to try this on.

However to get as many decent tests on ICE's then a list of suitable cheap motor types would be a good idea. (assuming there is no way to 'fix' that issue?)
Apparently most/all 2 stroke engines are a poor choice because the fuel is the lube, so then what small engines are suited and what are the prices and practicality?

It strikes me that engines that have a starter motor should be favored strongly, I am sure everyone has had a pain of a time trying to start a lawn mower or maybe outboard engine and that is with petrol.

Not sure but what about scooters or motorbikes?
Generators also sounds very practical (if the motor suits?) since all the energy can if need be in a marginal system go into recharging the battery. (even if it just powers it's self with just water input most would consider that good enough to prove the principle)

The other thought would be to befriend someone who is into messing around with cars, let's face it most people here have experience with electrical stuff and maybe other things but probably not too many working on cars much, since fuel prices are up if you can think of someone you know there is a decent chance that you could get them interested in donating their time/tools/knowledge/parts. (if you do the electrical they may be happy to do the rest)

There are enough stories of water being added to gas creating greater mpg's (with no other modifications) that it makes sense that at first you could just add a small percentage of water, see how that goes and then add the HC to explode the water, increase the % as you go.

While I think a car running on water would be the best way to get attention in the world at large I think a self powering 'just add water' engine would be best to get replications happening on here

So before too long we need to get decent ICE info on here but first we need a circuit diagram that does not use an inverter, Luc has done it but has not yet made a diagram of this. (not that it sound too hard)
I must say, if anyone on here can get an ICE running on this and be open and not all mysterious this issue will get very big very fast, no kidding.

However to get as many decent tests on ICE's then a list of suitable cheap motor types would be a good idea. (assuming there is no way to 'fix' that issue?)
Apparently most/all 2 stroke engines are a poor choice because the fuel is the lube, so then what small engines are suited and what are the prices and practicality?

Yes, good point on the lube. That, plus the fact that second hand engines are not at all that expensive, plus the fact that "normal" car engines are more
practical to use for the next step of driving your car or using them as a generator, leads me to think it may be just as usefull or even more so to just
skip the phase of everyone buying small motors to test this setup with, and just going for larger second hand car engines.
But it may not be.
The small engines I have looked at so far were generally two stroke engines or ethanol run model car engines, the first seems like a bad idea due to the
lube, the second may be usefull but I'd have to buy a new one plus control circuit and that is not very cheap... I could almost get a second (probably
third or fourth but who's counting) hand old car engine for the same money... And a couple of years ago, before the financial shite and the oil prices
skyrocketing, I could have bought a fairly new 100% working modern electrical generator for that same price (in the region I lived at the time).

It strikes me that engines that have a starter motor should be favored strongly, I am sure everyone has had a pain of a time trying to start a lawn mower or maybe outboard engine and that is with petrol.

Yeah, seems like a good idea, unless of course you need the arm exercise.

Not sure but what about scooters or motorbikes?

Well I'm sure. I wouldn't go for those.

Generators also sounds very practical (if the motor suits?) since all the energy can if need be in a marginal system go into recharging the battery. (even if it just powers it's self with just water input most would consider that good enough to prove the principle)

Exactly.
and many generators have engines very similar if not identical to car engines.
I guess the engines may need to be waterproofed though, as there will be water vapour contacting much of the internal surfaces
and we don't want the stuff to rust now do we?

So before too long we need to get decent ICE info on here but first we need a circuit diagram that does not use an inverter, Luc has done it but has not yet made a diagram of this. (not that it sound too hard)
I must say, if anyone on here can get an ICE running on this and be open and not all mysterious this issue will get very big very fast, no kidding.

Yeah, I think you're right there. But we should watch out we don't get a Steorn-effect as in that the whole world suddenly jumps to this thread and
forum, swamping the FE community with overexcited statements, hindering the actual development process, and then having to perform public
demonstrations before actually being ready for it. (I'm not even going to mention that this works and the Steorn thing didn't)

@Gary and all,

The DC and HV-AC are not directly connected. He just used the HV for the bridge (arcing) before pulsing the DC. Just like Luc circuit (if I may say so) or any other arc welding circuit.

Regards,

p/s: I think there are similarity if not direct understanding of how the TPU's work.

Hi xilusma, very good observations. I is interesting you are talking of an arc welder because yesterday I was working on some renovation work at my uncles new home and was explaining to him this circuit since he is a real EE and how it is really only a short circuit and that is the first thing he said (this is the principal of a ark welder)

Thanks for posting

Luc

 Actually, I am thinking of the salamander more so then the furnace. I use salamanders in the winter and I have had to take them apart and change the plug. I just happen to have one I can take apart and see what it uses to create the spark. I assumed a coil due to the coil wire. Then again, my assumptions have been way off before and they may be once again.

Nightlife

WHhat   is the sparkplug like om a salamamder ?

a  sparkplug  with a bigger gap might be handy .................longer  spark more plasma ............more plasma more power .

gary

@Luc: All hail the Moderator!

but seriously, what is the direction you'd like this to go, Luc?
Do you want to move toward using this very cool effect in an actual engine,
like s1r9a9m9 (claims he) has done?
Or are you more interested in studying the effect itself?

Sort of like that great description Ossie gave of the test circuit.

So, what does everyone think?

Hi Koen1, The direction I would like this to go is to use this effect to make a combustion engine work.

I'm off to work for the day.

Luc

Some points to consider before jumping on a car conversion.
1. If you convert a car how will you be able to run the car in the winter when the outside temperature freezes ? Auxiliary heater perhaps but that starts adding more elements to conversion.
2. What will water combustion do to a car exhaust system or to the engine over a period of time ?
3. If the conversion fails you have a large object to get rid or to explain to the wife why you have a new lawn decoration. 
4. Cars can range from simple to complex so having a base car engine for everyone to use would be harder to achieve. 
5. EPA regulations and red tape in US states that have emissions checks for cars. 

Some points on a small electric start engine.
1. If it does not work out you are only out a couple of hundred bucks instead of a couple of thousand.
2. No real EPA regulations to deal with.
3. More easy to dispose of engine if fails.
4. Exhaust systems are cheap to replace.
5. You may even be able to run indoors so water freezing is not as much a concern or at least it would be more easy to vent the exhaust.

I agree that ultimately a form of transportation would be the most desirable to get running on water but it maybe the most complex for the first attempt. A generator to run your house or recharge a electrically converted car maybe easier and just as useful for the first go around.

I hav been flying R/C aircraft 52 years and I beg ta differ............In fact I am modifying an old FOX 78 to run using this process................Will take time, I'm a slow builder/modifier.

Ben

Ben

I like  your  spirit   

 

 It has been  many years  sense  I have   looked  at a model engine .   
Can you  pull  the  heating  element

  part of the  glow plug out and  replace it with a  copper wire  ?

Other than  the lube  issue  my  big concern  is the  compression  ratio .
unless  you   add an ignition  system  .you  will have to rely on   the  compression  ratio to  fire  it off .

I have no idea what   that compression ratio would be .   

Is it  possible to   change  the   piston  rod or  something to get  different  compression ratios ?

 


I have no idea  what would  be the  best thing to use for  creating your arc .

gary