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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405624 times)

xilusma

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #345 on: July 03, 2008, 08:30:27 AM »
@Gary and all,

The DC and HV-AC are not directly connected. He just used the HV for the bridge (arcing) before pulsing the DC. Just like Luc circuit (if I may say so) or any other arc welding circuit.

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p/s: I think there are similarity if not direct understanding of how the TPU's work.

resonanceman

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #346 on: July 03, 2008, 08:49:15 AM »
@Gary and all,

The DC and HV-AC are not directly connected. He just used the HV for the bridge (arcing) before pulsing the DC. Just like Luc circuit (if I may say so) or any other arc welding circuit.

Regards,

p/s: I think there are similarity if not direct understanding of how the TPU's work.

xilusma

Yes        I understand that the  point of the  whole  curciuit  is to isolate  the  2  sources of power
I understand   how the  coil  isolated the HV .........  I don't  see  how  the  low  voltage is protected


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #347 on: July 03, 2008, 09:10:49 AM »
I am not good with circuits but I find that s1r has used the coils coil wire for the ground to charge what ever he has in the container. When the coil fires, it breaks the grounds connection.

 What can be charged by connecting a negative and positive and then discharged to the closest ground just by breaking the connection?

 What ever can do that, must be what he is using.

 

resonanceman

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #348 on: July 03, 2008, 09:32:01 AM »
I am not good with circuits but I find that s1r has used the coils coil wire for the ground to charge what ever he has in the container. When the coil fires, it breaks the grounds connection.

 What can be charged by connecting a negative and positive and then discharged to the closest ground just by breaking the connection?

 What ever can do that, must be what he is using.

 

Nightlife

That sounds like the " normal " way to trigger  an  ignition coil


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #349 on: July 03, 2008, 09:44:24 AM »
But it blew my 10 A fuse on the variac. Will use isolation transformer as you posted next time. Only had 4-1N5404 in series, will get more.

Regards, Larry

Blowing a 10A fuse sounds relatively brute force, or in other words possibly underunity.

If we assume that what S1r did is real then it should be more energy out than we put in electrically.

So the question is, are there 2 ways to do this or only 1?  Is there a way that takes over 10A and another that pulls far less (such as Luc's first version) for the same result?

Is the isolation that S1r went to efforts to get required to get the effect OU, or can the circuit be grounded?

Very rude of me to ask questions without answering any of 'em I know....

nightlife

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #350 on: July 03, 2008, 09:48:06 AM »
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Nightlife

That sounds like the " normal " way to trigger  an  ignition coil


gary

 

 Gary, you are exactly right. Now what kind of ignition coil operates off 110?

 The best thing I can think of is a oil furnace igniter coil. 

resonanceman

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #351 on: July 03, 2008, 10:53:50 AM »


 Gary, you are exactly right. Now what kind of ignition coil operates off 110?

 The best thing I can think of is a oil furnace igniter coil. 


Nightlife

Are you sure it is 110 V  ?

As far as I know an oil  furnice  coil is  just a transformer .......it is very similar to  a neon  sign  transformer . 


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I  just went back and watched the  videos  again
I didn't   try to  trace the wires

I did notice  something I missed before
The  first time I watched video1   I noticed  that the first thing you see   is a close up  of the  place to connect  the  place to connect the  fuel line  ......... I had thought  that  he  was connecting  the  hose  there .

In  the  2nd  video he removes the   float bowl .......and  holds it in  front of the camera for a second . 

I didn't  realise before that he was just   running water  into the intake .
He  is clearly  " flooding " the engine
I am pretty  sure that you  won't  get ANY  gas engine  to run that  steady by  doing that  that  .      IF you can get it to run that way at all .

The gas air  mixture has to be  fairly close  .......... with this process I think   all you really need  enough  water .
I  am thinking   that the times   in  video 1 where he  rotated  the  engine  by had was  to clear partial hydro lock

Now I am  thinking that the way  to  control  the  engine power is to vary   the  low voltage .


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #352 on: July 03, 2008, 11:03:13 AM »
Makes fascinating reading guys, using the strobe light makes for an easy way to replicate.

I was thinking what would be the simplest engine to try this in?, could a model steam engine be used or adapted?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #353 on: July 03, 2008, 11:16:29 AM »
Hi Luc & @

so if we run the exhaust into the intake as a closed loop on an engine.Then water could ignite at spark plug ,will it reform to water ready to burn again?
Hope so ;)

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #354 on: July 03, 2008, 12:02:00 PM »
resonanceman,
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Are you sure it is 110 V  ?

As far as I know an oil  furnace  coil is  just a transformer .......it is very similar to  a neon  sign  transformer .

 I didn't say 110 v, I said 110 referring to the outlet. We cant really tell what volts or amps are actually being used but we can probably assume it is putting out 120V at about 30amps. Not that the wires are consuming that much. We would need to see a volt meter and a amp meter attached to know for sure.

 As for the oil furnace coil just being a transformer, that maybe true but it is pulsed and it does put out a lot hotter spark, especially in a salamander heater.
 Actually, I am thinking of the salamander more so then the furnace. I use salamanders in the winter and I have had to take them apart and change the plug. I just happen to have one I can take apart and see what it uses to create the spark. I assumed a coil due to the coil wire. Then again, my assumptions have been way off before and they may be once again.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #355 on: July 03, 2008, 12:03:54 PM »
I was thinking what would be the simplest engine to try this in?, could a model steam engine be used or adapted?

Personally I'd be thinking along the lines of either lawnmower/chainsaw engines or even model aircraft engines. The problem with using a steam engine is that although they are powered by pressure, they don't work with a spark plug so you'd have to mod it to fit one.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #356 on: July 03, 2008, 12:09:01 PM »
@Nightlife and Starcruiser and All

There is an engine that seems most suited for experimental purposes.  It is the 4 banger in the mid 80's Nissan Hardbody line of pickups.  It has a carb and dual ignition like an aircraft engine with two spark plugs per cylinder.  One plug fires and soon after the other plug fires. "energize and then fire".  It has two ignition coils to do the task.  It has a distributor with two coil inputs and 8 out.  Does not have the complicated computer controls that fuel injection engines have.

All kinds of flexibility are possible with this engine:
Easy to advance or retard timing, mess with the carb, mess with the two spark plugs, or make a special water injector and use one on the spark plug holes.

I think the Nissan Maxima around this time had a passenger car version.  It had a timing belt, the pickup used a chain.  Get the truck, more room around the engine.

Tishatang

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #357 on: July 03, 2008, 01:09:53 PM »
Personally I'd be thinking along the lines of either lawnmower/chainsaw engines or even model aircraft engines. The problem with using a steam engine is that although they are powered by pressure, they don't work with a spark plug so you'd have to mod it to fit one.
Model Aircraft engines use a glowplug, http://www.rc-airplane-world.com/model-airplane-engines.html so not sure how suitable they would be, maybe something like a small weedwacker/strimmer engine would do.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #358 on: July 03, 2008, 01:13:41 PM »
Luc.

Referring to Page 1 and your circuit diagram. (thanks) and S1R's comments. Where should the 2nd booster coil be placed and have you tried it?

Rgds.
 

aether22

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #359 on: July 03, 2008, 01:19:08 PM »
Personally I'd be thinking along the lines of either lawnmower/chainsaw engines or even model aircraft engines. The problem with using a steam engine is that although they are powered by pressure, they don't work with a spark plug so you'd have to mod it to fit one.

Forget the model aircraft engine, they are not suited at all.