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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1409994 times)

goldenequity

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #315 on: July 02, 2008, 08:55:31 PM »
@ hartiberlin
Impressive picture....but he's using a "propellent" gas.... and not water.
see what you think: http://www.myelectricengine.com/

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #316 on: July 02, 2008, 11:48:28 PM »
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I have been told that if a magnet  holds  a weight  for an extended time no  work is done. Because  there is  no movement and no  energy input . 
If  an electro magnet is used to hold the same weight work IS done.
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LOL!
This statement deserves a Poster. ;D

Best



hartiberlin

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #317 on: July 03, 2008, 12:06:08 AM »
@ hartiberlin
Impressive picture....but he's using a "propellent" gas.... and not water.
see what you think: http://www.myelectricengine.com/


Simular rocket propulsion can be achieved by using water
mist at very high pressure levels.

I once saw a webpage about using
water as rocket fuel from a guy,
who really had a very big rocket test stand
and lived in the desert or had his test stand there...


He tested all sorts of water combustions
and only when he used high pressurized water mist
he could fire this up and burn it in his
rocket motor.
It depended on the water pressure he told in his webpage..

When he finally found it out, how to use water in his rocket
engine, he did try to get a patent on it and pulled his webpage
off the Internet, so now this information is unfortunately gone.

He wanted to sell it to the military, so they could design
cheaper rockets.

ramset

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #318 on: July 03, 2008, 12:09:48 AM »
Stephan   maybe having seen his folly   he might show up here  Chet

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #319 on: July 03, 2008, 12:30:46 AM »
@ hartiberlin
Impressive picture....but he's using a "propellent" gas.... and not water.
see what you think: http://www.myelectricengine.com/


Also worth noting that it is Argon and not a combustible propellant.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #320 on: July 03, 2008, 12:44:44 AM »
@all, I found this link to a patent for a "Plasma Arc Ignition System" designed in 1993. It describes the concept of a combined high voltage, high current system. Although this was designed for gasoline there are some parallels to the work being done here. The diagrams even suggest some spark plug designs that may work best with a plasma arc. I wonder if it's inventor ever thought to try the system with water?

Click on 'Documents' to view the 45 page pdf

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=CA1992000510&DISPLAY=DOCS

RD

Here dozend patents more ...
http://www.google.de/patents?q=PLASMA-ARC+IGNITION+SYSTEM&btnG=Search+Patents

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #321 on: July 03, 2008, 12:50:39 AM »
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From: "fredrikh99" <fredrikhansson@telia.com>Add sender to Contacts To: WaterFuel1978@yahoogroups.comAlright, I just made a short video showing my latest installement. I
ran it on 200 Volt and it takes 7 amps on idle. When run it goes down
to 5-6 amps.

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=j0jXxPTvuGE

/Fredrik


I just recieved this quoted email. Here is the link to that video again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0jXxPTvuGE

Haliburton

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #322 on: July 03, 2008, 12:58:15 AM »
Hi guys, I started a new Energy Forum which is featuring gotoluc's findings that are here also. gotoluc has agreed to post his information here also. Please have a look here:  http://energyupdater.com/  and tell me what you think

Please keep it clean and pro.

 thanx guys

There still is room for a few more projects in the public library.

if you find any bugs let me know
« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 06:26:18 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #323 on: July 03, 2008, 01:03:11 AM »
I think there are some big questions and big assumptions here.  Have we have ruled out the dissassociation of water into H & O?  Is it agreed that this is a lower temperature effect, being the liberating of latent heat between the liquid & vapour phases of water? 

We are assuming this behaves remotely like conventional petrol or gas combusion engines.  Will a higher compression ratio help or hinder? 

I'm guessing this effect is the working principle of lightening & thunder.  Lightening is known to be plasma discharge.  AFAIK, lightening doesn't need compressed air to work.  In weather terms, aren't storms the result of a low pressure region?  Maybe very low compression engines will be better than high compression?


greendoor,  this may be the case here.  If ,and only if, s1r9a9m9 is telling  us the truth about his 1978 El-Camino running on just water(he did say that the engine was stock issue, unchanged)  then we can deduce that this could be  true since in 1978 GM had low compression engines in their vehicles as a result of EPA mandates dating to 1971 when the compression ratios were lowered significantly to comply with stricter emission controls.  Compressiom ratios in a typical V/8  before 1971 were around 10 to 1.  In 1971 onward to 1978, compression ratios went down to 8.2 to 1.  These were considered low compression engines.  My parents owned a 1975 Oldsmobile Toronado and I remember distinctly my father complaining of less power....you see the previous car was a 1970 Olds 98 with 10 to 1 compression ratio and 365 horse power 500 + pounds of torque!  Just some facts to put this in perspective.

Livingwaters08

 Less wasted power?  Storm clouds tend to be very tall, dense clouds.  I've tended to assume that lightening happens when there is sufficient water "shorting out" the potential difference in the atmosphere. 

Is liquid water better than a mist?

A small percentage of soluble oil might be beneficial mainly to stop rusting being a show stopper.  In time, I expect new engine designs will optimise this process.  Maybe if this is fairly low temp, we could use nylon piston rings or other plastic parts.

Maybe a steam engine type design is the way forward ...

Only experiments will find this out.   

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #324 on: July 03, 2008, 01:06:51 AM »
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #325 on: July 03, 2008, 01:10:47 AM »
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #326 on: July 03, 2008, 01:16:52 AM »
@gotoluc

You MUST get Moderator authority so you can delete the 'crapsters' else this will just be another multi-page joke that goes no-where.

Dr Stiffler,
JUST WHO ARE THE CRAPSTERS??   I take offense at this comment since we are attempting to get this out to the common people, all people of the world.  Please do not be so insulting as to refer to some who may not know as much as others, but willing, and trying to learn,as "CRAPSTERS". 

Very Incorrect of you Dr Stiffler!  Very Inappropriate!

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #327 on: July 03, 2008, 01:25:29 AM »
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #328 on: July 03, 2008, 01:26:34 AM »
Dr Stiffler,
JUST WHO ARE THE CRAPSTERS??   I take offense at this comment since we are attempting to get this out to the common people, all people of the world.  Please do not be so insulting as to refer to some who may not know as much as others, but willing, and trying to learn,as "CRAPSTERS". 

Very Incorrect of you Dr Stiffler!  Very Inappropriate!

Livingwaters08
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If the shoe fits wear it. Gee wonder why you are so taken back.

You answered what a 'crapster' post is and my answer to you waste of bandwidth also meets the definition.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #329 on: July 03, 2008, 01:29:24 AM »

I just recieved this quoted email. Here is the link to that video again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0jXxPTvuGE

Nice video, on one of his video he tell how he do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYD9ESMF1sM
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I just mix high voltage AC from a car ignition coil with a lower pulsed DC voltage at 220 volt. I have not tried with any water or steam yet but I'm planning to.