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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405361 times)

gotoluc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #255 on: July 01, 2008, 06:05:06 AM »

Well said Ossie! I read with great interest what Luc had stumbled upon and good people like yourself has been able to replicate and hopefully get us all to the point where the principles are well understood and easy to adapt to any existing gasoline engine. That would be a holy grail for ridding ourselves of the Opec oil greed!

Keep it up.

cheers
chrisC
Hi chrisC, thanks for reading the topic and posting your positive comment.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #256 on: July 01, 2008, 10:13:23 AM »
Bumfuzzled and the rest of the group,

I really don't think an in-line fuse or circuit breaker will protect the inverter because they do not blow fast enough before the damage is done.  Ossie, input on this???

Aside from rectifying the AC from the inverter to DC, Ossie has 16 - 1N5404 diodes in series.  They are 400V 3 Amp diodes and in series in addition to the 10 (shown in the schematic), not 8 as the schematic says of 1N4007 diodes rated at 1000 volts 1 amp.   There is your protection if the circuit is wired properly.

Is this overkill on the diodes?  Maybe, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.  It also seems to me that 2 to 2.5 amps and 12 V, as shown on Ossie's meters, this system is only drawing 24 to 30 watts to create the plasma arc.  30 watts is nothing, so this circuit is extremely efficient and incredibly simple.  The 300 Watt inverter is actually 10 times the required demand of this simple circuit. 

One thing I did notice was the capacitor is 250 volts which is cutting it a bit close to the 240 volts output of the inverter, but I am by no means an electrical circuit designer... actually far from it... Just an observation though.  In the US, our mains and off the shelf inverters are 120 VAC, so I am still using the 250V capacitor and all seems great!

Also, we don't know what the circuit will draw once it is introduced to a cylinder with compressed water vapor.  Right now, the circuit is only firing in an open air environment.  Will the circuit draw more than it is currently (pardon the pun)?  Maybe, maybe not, but I commend Ossie for taking that into consideration and perhaps the number of diodes isn't overkill.  Either way, better safe than sorry!

Hope this helps!

Regards,
Geo

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #257 on: July 01, 2008, 10:20:10 AM »
Hi Luc,

How is it going? Any new results from the suggested experiments? I am approaching an investor with this ignition principle to develop a small turbine pulse generator. 

Rgds.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #258 on: July 01, 2008, 10:51:42 AM »
Hi robbie47, thanks for looking and adding your input. You are very correct about the humidity level. The setup of the video was done in a garage and I had the garage door was open, outside was just starting to rain which became a major rain storm just after the video was done, there was a lightning hit less than a 100 feet away  :o, the timing of it all felt so perfect, like a confirmation from Mother Nature. So at the time I was doing the video I did not realize that all that moisture in the air was also helping the spark since you can see I did not need to add water at every spark to make it work.

Luc



Hmmm, I just noticed this thread, it has grown fast.
First point would be that it is very plausible you attracted the lightening strike.

Maybe these questions have been answered in one of the subsequent pages and if so sorry but...
Can you just use 240v mains rather than a 240v inverter?
If so then I can easily replicate this, if not then I probably won't as getting the inverter is sure to be a headache and I know you found in a similar experiment that even the brand/model of inverter mattered!

Also what is with the first image in the thread with the inverter and mains power?  I can't find any text/video to tell me what that one does. (the image below it though seems neatly covered in the video)

If the effect is tied to a given model of inverter then it seems that this is all kinda pointless, you need to be buying a bunch of them and seeing what makes them tick, and make a simplified inverter or circuit that creates the aetheric (or whatever you want to call it) electrical current.

BTW aren't you 110-120v system in Canada? How are you getting 240v inverters?

aether22

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #259 on: July 01, 2008, 11:29:12 AM »
I have pretty much only read the 1st and last page still.

This thread seems a tad unfocused, there are 2 (or maybe 3) important discoveries Luc seems to have made here.

The most obvious is that he has managed to explode water (at least in part due to burning it seemingly after splitting it) with a pulse from a rather modest capacitor that would contain very limited energy.

However possibly the most important is that he has shown that charging a cap with full wave rectified 240v from a specific transformer is different to 240v full wave rectified from a different inverter (I believe) or from mains.

That is the most solid proof I have seen to date that a aetherized/cold current (or whatever names you want to give it) can charge a capacitor and keep it's aetheric quality.

This discovery could just as well be attacked not from the 'burning hydrogen/exploding water' point of view but from an electroaetheric point of view where we see how to create the kind of current that works works in this device and what other differing properties it may have, chances are this is only one of it's special talents.

One test I would very much like to see Luc do is to check the voltage of his charged cap is to verify that the difference isn't that this specific inverter is charging the cap a little higher than the other things he has tried.

Maybe I would look into getting this model of inverter if he can satisfy that curiosity, so how much does one of these cost then???   Any recommended sources? (I'm in NZ btw)

send_to_nice

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #260 on: July 01, 2008, 11:57:57 AM »
I have pretty much only read the 1st and last page still.

This thread seems a tad unfocused, there are 2 (or maybe 3) important discoveries Luc seems to have made here.
This is something I've been thinking, but being very much a new kid on the block here I haven't said much about it. Something I've been wondering is, at what point does an idea raised through a thread on here need to become a 'project'? As I said, I'm a newcomer to this site so am not sure whether threads ike this come and go all the time. Certainly to me it feels as though there is a huge amount of anticipation around this idea and how feasible it is. Regulars here are pretty clued up and I've certainly noticed a lot of threads where people pick up on fake ideas or inefficient ones very soon. This thread doesn't seem to have aroused such suspicion, so from that can we assume that this is the real deal? I don't know the answer to that, but I'm hoping some of the regulars do.

If it is, I'd suggest we seriously think about putting some more structure into this to make sure we are aiming at a goal and not just playing around with a whole lot of ideas and frying electronics in the process. Luc has shown what can be achieved with a simple circuit and low power, the next step (I believe) is showing that there is a pressure wave generated that could be used to displace a piston. If we can show that, then the next step is probably to try it on a real engine.

What do people think?


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #261 on: July 01, 2008, 01:02:21 PM »
send2, I agree.

While I am personally interested in how this circuit may be generating the kind of conditions for a 'radiant effect', and that is a very important direction, the other question is if he has anything other that a fun pop.

You need quite a bit of power to push down a piston, hundreds of pounds of pressure is developed to push down a piston.
In fact if anyone tells you that implosion can power an engine you know they are either wrong or are not meaning the creation of a partial vacuum as atmospheric pressure is only 16PSI and that's no where near enough to run an engine. (which is not to say that a non-atmospheric implosive force may not be possible)

So anyone who has the effect needs to see if it can create some real pressure, and compare it to gas explosion.

And if expensive inverters are not needed then can Luc please put a cheaper plan in the first post of the thread, I have lots of gear but no inverters.


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #262 on: July 01, 2008, 01:20:41 PM »
It shouldn't be hard to prove/disprove the viability of this. All that is needed is some vessel we can attach over the spark plug that will allow us to add the necessary moisture. Then, we make it spark and watch the pressure destroy the vessel. I was initially thinking of a balloon, but this won't allow the water mist to be sprayed. Assuming it did, we shouldn't have any trouble bursting a balloon if the pressure is as high as some are suggesting it is. How about it?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #263 on: July 01, 2008, 02:17:52 PM »
Youtube User crob227
has simular effect now.
Have alook at this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKpEXXvIZZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWglLC_UEwc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRX89SDHEiM

By the way, great accent and many real good bangs !  ;D

Well at 900 Volts DC be very cautious, as, when you touch
this cap with wet fingers you surely will be dead...!

Koen1

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #264 on: July 01, 2008, 02:44:26 PM »
Probably.
But if you touch the cap with wet fingers,
isn't that sort of natural selection at work? ;) ;D
jk

Anyway:
Go Luc! Go Ossie! W00T! :D ;D

but seriously, this is starting to get really exciting.
I'm actually considering putting my cell experiments on hold for this...
... and digging up that old hydrogen kit motor I had so I can try
it with a running motor... now where did I put that thing?

May I suggest compiling a sort of documentation file or folder in which
Luc and Ossie gather the most usefull and clear posts, explanations,
and circuit drawings, in order to facilitate bringing people up to speed?
The thread is growing so fast that peope only jumping in now first have to
spend 2 days reading the earlier posts before they get to this point.

I posted some stuff myself that turned out to be complete crap just ten
minutes later because I had missed a piece of the developments in the thread.
Apologies for polluting your nice thread Luc. ;)

Oh, and if s1r9a9m9 has his V8 conversion plans online somewhere
that might be interesting :)

renaud67

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #265 on: July 01, 2008, 03:02:04 PM »
Probably.
But if you touch the cap with wet fingers,
isn't that sort of natural selection at work? ;) ;D
jk

Anyway:
Go Luc! Go Ossie! W00T! :D ;D

but seriously, this is starting to get really exciting.
I'm actually considering putting my cell experiments on hold for this...
... and digging up that old hydrogen kit motor I had so I can try
it with a running motor... now where did I put that thing?

May I suggest compiling a sort of documentation file or folder in which
Luc and Ossie gather the most usefull and clear posts, explanations,
and circuit drawings, in order to facilitate bringing people up to speed?
The thread is growing so fast that peope only jumping in now first have to
spend 2 days reading the earlier posts before they get to this point.

I posted some stuff myself that turned out to be complete crap just ten
minutes later because I had missed a piece of the developments in the thread.
Apologies for polluting your nice thread Luc. ;)

Oh, and if s1r9a9m9 has his V8 conversion plans online somewhere
that might be interesting :)
Great idae,
i've just ordered some parts of the Ossie "simple" experiment (coil, diode ... xeon ...)
a pdf file would be very useful for newbee like me ! ;)

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #266 on: July 01, 2008, 03:28:32 PM »
send2, I agree.

While I am personally interested in how this circuit may be generating the kind of conditions for a 'radiant effect', and that is a very important direction, the other question is if he has anything other that a fun pop.

You need quite a bit of power to push down a piston, hundreds of pounds of pressure is developed to push down a piston.
In fact if anyone tells you that implosion can power an engine you know they are either wrong or are not meaning the creation of a partial vacuum as atmospheric pressure is only 16PSI and that's no where near enough to run an engine. (which is not to say that a non-atmospheric implosive force may not be possible)

So anyone who has the effect needs to see if it can create some real pressure, and compare it to gas explosion.

And if expensive inverters are not needed then can Luc please put a cheaper plan in the first post of the thread, I have lots of gear but no inverters.


@aether22, @gotoluc

I think the question of is this energy an incursion of a different form can be put to bed fairly fast. From what I have seen in the circuits they are all floating, no physical connection to ground?

If this is in some way pulling a form of energy from the lattice, it can be stopped by the addition of an earth ground on the spark side at some point. Just connect your assumed common on the spark side or one side of the cap to ground. This will not affect the working of the circuit but will remove the possibility of unknown energy (my opinion only) from taking part. You should see a decrease in the result if you are indeed absorbing anomalous energy.

Measuring the cap voltage if this is indeed anomalous will not show anything unexpected. The external energy will not show up on current day instrumentation.

Here is what I did. I connected a SEC15-3 to charge a 100uf 330V cap and discharged the cap via 135V SIDAC into the primary of a 12KV neon sign transformer and the transformer secondary connected to a spark plug. All was driven by 12LA battery. I did observe a similar reaction, yet my first feeling is that it is a localized reaction to a few water molecules. This would say to me that in order to get much energy from the reaction one would need to excite and split large numbers of molecules. I am not certain at this time if the approach wll do that in a useful way.

I do have the answer to my question above, but it is necessary that those that have test circuits try this for themselves, the information could prove valuable.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #267 on: July 01, 2008, 04:42:50 PM »
@All
I just could not walk away without trying something else. I was interested in the usage of the series Xenon and wondered what a Xenon plasma would do and not use the pulse flashing.

Now I admit I have changed things a little, but if you want a shock wave here is how to get it. In a cylinder with a movable piston, fill the cylinder 1/2 full of water with the piston just under the surface, call it a down stroke position. With two SS wires I electrolyze some of the water, the gas stays in the water with much going against the piston. Fire your spark and all hell breaks free. Not only does the gas explode but it appears to cause a secondary reaction that splits off additional that is consumed.

Granted this does not sound good for running a conventional engine, but hey, new engine a water engine. You do not even need oil in the crankcase as water is a fine lube. Now for the best part, the plasma and or the flash can be used to preheat the water and it reacts faster and with more force.

So gentleman maybe its time to go to the lathe and milling machine, this could work, assuming you have a water supply. Oh and I was doing this on 20V@50ma, not bad.

The jury of course is still out on if this is in any way connected to some other form of trigger energy, heck if we can split water and get it to chain react in some way, why not.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #268 on: July 01, 2008, 06:08:57 PM »
@All
I just could not walk away without trying something else. I was interested in the usage of the series Xenon and wondered what a Xenon plasma would do and not use the pulse flashing.

Now I admit I have changed things a little, but if you want a shock wave here is how to get it. In a cylinder with a movable piston, fill the cylinder 1/2 full of water with the piston just under the surface, call it a down stroke position. With two SS wires I electrolyze some of the water, the gas stays in the water with much going against the piston. Fire your spark and all hell breaks free. Not only does the gas explode but it appears to cause a secondary reaction that splits off additional that is consumed.

Granted this does not sound good for running a conventional engine, but hey, new engine a water engine. You do not even need oil in the crankcase as water is a fine lube. Now for the best part, the plasma and or the flash can be used to preheat the water and it reacts faster and with more force.

So gentleman maybe its time to go to the lathe and milling machine, this could work, assuming you have a water supply. Oh and I was doing this on 20V@50ma, not bad.

The jury of course is still out on if this is in any way connected to some other form of trigger energy, heck if we can split water and get it to chain react in some way, why not.

DrStiffler

Just  trying to ake sure that I understand  what you are saying



Your previous  post   about connecting a  ground to me seemed to be  about  another  form of energy  being  created in another  part of the circuit  .

Now it looks like    you are saying that it there is OU here it is  in the spark .
 Is it possible that the  guys that  wrote the  law of  thermodynamics  forgot  to  measure  the  energy created  by a spark in water ? 
Or did  they just assume that   the spark  would follow their  law ?

What is  your opinion on this ......Is the spark following  the law ?

gary

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #269 on: July 01, 2008, 06:46:35 PM »
All have collected all the parts to determine just how much power the standard ICE puts out in one combustion  building this now using all parts from a 350 fuel injected motor installing into high pressure tank with pop off valve [at first] first tests with gas   next with LUC /OSSIE/s19  circuit[ haven't built that yet will once the test tank is working   Chet