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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1409679 times)

livingwaters08

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #240 on: July 01, 2008, 02:22:29 AM »
Ossie,

Have you posted a circuit layout?  I'm trying to  find it.  I'm ready to try this on an engine. 

So, will the cap in the circuit prevent the grounding problem of the inverter?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #241 on: July 01, 2008, 03:15:28 AM »
Hi All,

Following are the links to all my important posts so far that contain the circuit diagrams, pictures, construction details and information on the process and what I observe. Please read them all carefully. To do this practically is pretty simple. I am very busy and can't spend much time helping others with building info. So please help each other and I will help when I where I get time to. If you show this information to someone with an electronics background and experience, they will have no problem building and replicating this. So please seek help from whoever if you are having difficulty, even if they don't believe it because once it is working, they will believe indeed.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg108614.html#msg108614

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg108731.html#msg108731

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg108838.html#msg108838

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg108956.html#msg108956

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg109072.html#msg109072

Also, please save any gratitude for Luc who stepped out and first showed how he produced the effect in a simple circuit setup and encouraged others to replicate it with this thread.

Regards,

Ossie


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #242 on: July 01, 2008, 03:16:15 AM »
I reversed polarity on the ignition coil and now it works. Somebody explain that to me.

Also I blew up the diodes, could be because I have the bridge rectifier hooked up to a 110 plug instead of an inverter. I blew up my inverter the other day so I'll wait til tomorrow and get a new one and see what happens.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #243 on: July 01, 2008, 03:31:42 AM »
Bumfuzzled, Put a fuse to protect your inverter.  Fuse or circuit breaker= cheap.  Inverter= expensive.   ;)

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #244 on: July 01, 2008, 03:45:33 AM »
I blew it up before "I knew what I was doing". That's a joke of course, I still have no clue what I'm doing. lol It has 2 fuses inside of it and neither were blown. Where do I need to put the fuses??

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #245 on: July 01, 2008, 03:48:59 AM »
Hi Bumfuzzled,

Because an ignition coil is basically inductor, it will have back emf. So this means the output essentially will be AC. Whether the main HV pulse is on the positive or negative side of the AC wave output will be determined by the circuit driving the primary of the ignition coil. If you look at the circuits I have posted, you will see that this is not consistent and wholey reliant on the overall circuit. So this can be a source of confusion and problem in terms of polarity for those who are trying to come up with their own circuits. I can only suggest that a reverse diode across the primary of the ignition coil will keep the output polarity consistent if that is what you are after.

Ossie

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #246 on: July 01, 2008, 04:17:44 AM »
Someone will start testing it with injector, some test done with water and injector

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BeojLzAlDc

livingwaters08

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #247 on: July 01, 2008, 04:35:31 AM »
I am not an electronics wiz by any means.   I will try to help though.  Anyone out there wanting to assist, please do.

You would want a 20 amp automotive fuse in line on the 12 volt side of the inverter..  IFYOU ARE HOOKING THIS UP ON A CAR.  ARE YOU?    I'm pretty sure this is where the fuse must be placed.

Good Luck.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #248 on: July 01, 2008, 04:46:40 AM »
Hi Ossie,

I have a question.  Do you have a suggestion for keeping the voltage from running back to the inverter when hooking all of this up on a car??   Other than the diodes which seem not to be doing the trick.  Also, s1r9a9m9 mentioned that the plasma reaction needed to be picked up by around 90%... That is, to drive an engine.  Any ideas?

Thanks for helping!
Livingwaters08

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #249 on: July 01, 2008, 04:55:14 AM »
Hi All,

I thought it important to point something out regarding previous work related to this topic. There are many videos and demonstrations and documention of water being burnt and exploded using very high power and powerfull arc discharges. These are brute force devices and setups where in most cases more electrical energy is being put into the device than is being generated by the water combustion.

This is NOT what we are doing and have demonstrated in this thread. The devices and setups we are showing in this thread are using small amounts of electrical energy to cause the combustion of water which releases more energy than what was put in electrically. What is unique in our circuits here, when compared to previous examples on the internet, is that we are utilising the HV spark from an ignition coil as the precursor that allows enough ionisation of the air in the spark gap to conduct the minimum required energy pulse of 100-300 volts through the spark gap and the surrounding moisture near it. This results in the moisture/water exploding and thus releasing the energy contained in it. This process only requires minimal energy pulses in addition to the ignition spark and is very efficient.

We have developed these devices in an attempt to duplicate the work of s1r9a9m9 who has been able to demonstrate that he can run an engine solely on water instead of petrol by using a similar setup which uses the same process here as described. He infact claims to have run his adapted V8 automobile for 30,000 miles at a fuel efficiency rate of 300 miles per gallon of water. Most of us could not believe such claims but now after being able to reproduce the effect of being able to explode water with minimal energy input, it appears that what s1r9a9m9 claims is indeed possible.

So please do not find videos and demonstrations of people burning and exploding water with powerfull arc discharges and assume it is the same thing we are doing here because it is not. The process we are demonstrating here is very efficient to the point that it CAN be adapted to exisiting combustion engines to allow the engine to be run solely on water fed directly through the engine's exisiting fuel system. The adaption would be applied only to the engines existing ignition system.

Regards,

Ossie


innovation_station

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #250 on: July 01, 2008, 05:01:57 AM »
I reversed polarity on the ignition coil and now it works. Somebody explain that to me.

Also I blew up the diodes, could be because I have the bridge rectifier hooked up to a 110 plug instead of an inverter. I blew up my inverter the other day so I'll wait til tomorrow and get a new one and see what happens.

why did it blow up on you???

i know why 

becuse it the RE is returing to a place to where it can not escape to do use full work... and it blows shit up  ;D

put a lead out diode to where it is returning put a cap after it to convert it to hot electricty or leave the cap out and use it the way it is ...

ist

bumfuzzled

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #251 on: July 01, 2008, 05:03:32 AM »
Thanks Ossie, I'll try that tomorrow. Gotta pick up more diodes and inverter, gotta get away from the 110 wall outlet, too many amps for the diodes I guess, I blew up every one of them I had. lol

That's what I was trying to do last week, get the HV to lead the low voltage but had no clue I need that many diodes in series. Glad you came along!! Are those diodes protecting the inverter or do I need to fuse it somewhere like livingwaters said?

I know that plasma arc is very bright, just like looking at an arc weld. I'll have to wear dark glasses when I do that from now on.  :o

chrisC

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #252 on: July 01, 2008, 05:04:45 AM »


Hi All,

I thought it important to point something out regarding previous work related to this topic. There are many videos and demonstrations and documention of water being burnt and exploded using very high power and powerfull arc discharges. These are brute force devices and setups where in most cases more electrical energy is being put into the device than is being generated by the water combustion.

This is NOT what we are doing and have demonstrated in this thread. The devices and setups we are showing in this thread are using small amounts of electrical energy to cause the combustion of water which releases more energy than what was put in electrically. What is unique in our circuits here, when compared to previous examples on the internet, is that we are utilising the HV spark from an ignition coil as the precursor that allows enough ionisation of the air in the spark gap to conduct the minimum required energy pulse of 100-300 volts through the spark gap and the surrounding moisture near it. This results in the moisture/water exploding and thus releasing the energy contained in it. This process only requires minimal energy pulses in addition to the ignition spark and is very efficient.

We have developed these devices in an attempt to duplicate the work of s1r9a9m9 who has been able to demonstrate that he can run an engine solely on water instead of petrol by using a similar setup which uses the same process here as described. He infact claims to have run his adapted V8 automobile for 30,000 miles at a fuel efficiency rate of 300 miles per gallon of water. Most of us could not believe such claims but now after being able to reproduce the effect of being able to explode water with minimal energy input, it appears that what s1r9a9m9 claims is indeed possible.

So please do not find videos and demonstrations of people burning and exploding water with powerfull arc discharges and assume it is the same thing we are doing here because it is not. The process we are demonstrating here is very efficient to the point that it CAN be adapted to exisiting combustion engines to allow the engine to be run solely on water fed directly through the engine's exisiting fuel system. The adaption would be applied only to the engines existing ignition system.

Regards,

Ossie



Well said Ossie! I read with great interest what Luc had stumbled upon and good people like yourself has been able to replicate and hopefully get us all to the point where the principles are well understood and easy to adapt to any existing gasoline engine. That would be a holy grail for ridding ourselves of the Opec oil greed!

Keep it up.

cheers
chrisC

bumfuzzled

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #253 on: July 01, 2008, 05:07:20 AM »
why did it blow up on you???

i know why 

becuse it the RE is returing to a place to where it can not escape to do use full work... and it blows shit up  ;D

put a lead out diode to where it is returning put a cap after it to convert it to hot electricty or leave the cap out and use it the way it is ...

ist



I figured it was because the wall outlet can put out 15 amps or so before the breaker trips and those diodes cant handle that much so it blew them up. They were pretty hot to the touch right after the blew. I dunno, I don't know electricity that well.  ???

innovation_station

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #254 on: July 01, 2008, 05:14:58 AM »
im gonna throw togather some kind of unit like what u all are working on here maybe we can come up with a good design as a group

should be real easy with a small engine to get it to work

has any one tryed to burn hho with this style unit??

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btw   to be safe do all testing off grid!!!!   espically if you are gonna play with cold electricty b4 the ign coil...  we dont want to back feed to the grid  :o

for those that have not seen my simple vid i did a wile ago...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3852.0.html  12dv 1 amp  8)
« Last Edit: July 01, 2008, 05:57:48 AM by innovation_station »