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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405579 times)

xbox hacker

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #150 on: June 30, 2008, 12:43:10 AM »
UPDATE!!!!!!!! ;D

Drop the bridges you dont need them!! here is a diagram of my working circuit!!!!!
IT WORKS!!!!!
Keep you spark gap @ .050 - .060... too small and the inverter bogs down @ .050 and up it runs normal!

It has a nice BRIGHT flash and a big SNAP! I do have a video camera, but no way to get too to the computer (i am working on that now)  ;)

ALSO... dont try to gap the plug with a metal gap-er while the inverter is on....LOL....OUCH!!  ::)

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #151 on: June 30, 2008, 12:52:25 AM »
Hi Ossi,
great new tests and circuit.

Did you already take any scope shots of your 10 uF cap voltage ?

How does the voltage on the cap fall during the sparking ?

Maybe if you have a high voltage scope head can you also
show the voltage at the spark plug directly ?

Be carefull not to kill your scope with the high voltage
spikes...



@Luc,
your new circuit makes not much sense to me.

The effect is, that a high voltage spike from the ignition coil
creates a ionized conductive channel for the low voltage cap charge
to be discharged and instantly creating steam and electrolysed HHO,
which burns off in a Bang...

So Ossi?s circuit is exactly right,
just charge up a capacitor and trigger the sparkgap with
high voltage to make the sparkgap conductive, so the cap can
discharge in an instant and can evapourate and electrolyse the water droplets.

Because of the evapouration and the heat it consumes the sparkplug probably stays pretty cold
as Ossi has found out.

Now the question is,
if we can make this also on a bigger area, not just on the tiny small
contact point of the sparkplug...

If we could explode and evapourate the water droplets on maybe 2 x 2 inches
altogether, that would really give a nice explosion cell !

The question is, if the best application for it is
really inside a cylinder to propell a piston or
if it could also be used in other way, e.g. via the idea
of a MHD generator to produce electricity...


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #152 on: June 30, 2008, 12:57:47 AM »
xbox hacker, good job. That set up I could see being in s1r's container.



 Luc, can you confirm it for us as to working as desired?

 

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #153 on: June 30, 2008, 01:05:49 AM »
Hi Gotoluc

Great work!

I tried a simple test to see if I could get the water to "burn" and it wasn't that hard to do. I used a small TV chassis to feed High voltage to a pair of microwave capacitors wired in parallel and then to a spark plug with the resistor removed. It would charge the capacitors and discharge at it's own frequency with a very strong white spark.  When I sprayed water on it (FINE MIST) it would flash a bright orange flame much larger than the original spark.  The effect lasts for several other sparks until the water burns off.
I am truly amazed that a simple high voltage setup can actually flash water.

Here is my setup.

http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/WaterTest/photo?authkey=gITG9gFcghI#5217442680332392498

Vince

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #154 on: June 30, 2008, 01:25:40 AM »
UPDATE!!!!!!!! ;D

Drop the bridges you dont need them!! here is a diagram of my working circuit!!!!!
IT WORKS!!!!!
Keep you spark gap @ .050 - .060... too small and the inverter bogs down @ .050 and up it runs normal!

It has a nice BRIGHT flash and a big SNAP! I do have a video camera, but no way to get too to the computer (i am working on that now)  ;)

ALSO... dont try to gap the plug with a metal gap-er while the inverter is on....LOL....OUCH!!  ::)

That is very good if you're getting results with this even more simple circuit. Can you measure the DC resistance and henries (if you have a meter) of the primary of the coil and post it please. I think that will also play a part here.

Great job there xbox hacker

Luc
« Last Edit: June 30, 2008, 02:12:05 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #155 on: June 30, 2008, 01:33:31 AM »
Hi Gotoluc

Great work!

I tried a simple test to see if I could get the water to "burn" and it wasn't that hard to do. I used a small TV chassis to feed High voltage to a pair of microwave capacitors wired in parallel and then to a spark plug with the resistor removed. It would charge the capacitors and discharge at it's own frequency with a very strong white spark.  When I sprayed water on it (FINE MIST) it would flash a bright orange flame much larger than the original spark.  The effect lasts for several other sparks until the water burns off.
I am truly amazed that a simple high voltage setup can actually flash water.

Here is my setup.

http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/WaterTest/photo?authkey=gITG9gFcghI#5217442680332392498

Vince

Hi Vince, good for you :D I think we will find many possible variations on this basic circuit idea.

Keep up the good work ;D and find what you can do with this circuit, like can you light fluorecent bulbs with it and how many.

Have fun and play safe and thank for sharing.

Luc
« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 07:21:58 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #156 on: June 30, 2008, 01:39:55 AM »
@Luc,
your new circuit makes not much sense to me.

The effect is, that a high voltage spike from the ignition coil
creates a ionized conductive channel for the low voltage cap charge
to be discharged and instantly creating steam and electrolysed HHO,
which burns off in a Bang...

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan, yes I know my circuit is flawed. I had a quick vision and tried to transfer it in electronics in a hurry just before going out for some hours. As I said before my electronic skills are not strong. What I will do is write my thoughts and someone else can create the circuit.


At anyone and everyone, please share this topic with everyone you have in your email address book and ask them to do the same regardless of what you think. We need this out to the World.

Luc

« Last Edit: June 30, 2008, 02:10:28 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #157 on: June 30, 2008, 01:46:07 AM »
I realise that the ultimate goal is to replace petrol/gas entirely, but seeing as 99% of cars will need their timing retarded, (non-trivial, especially as 99% of cars on the road are of the newer variety) wouldn't this idea on its own result in a significant increase in mpg?  It would be much easier to test on a real car engine as well...

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #158 on: June 30, 2008, 01:49:37 AM »
VIDEO UPDATE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuK80kL6O64

I am so soorrry about the quality, its from a phone....LOL  ::)

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #159 on: June 30, 2008, 02:00:59 AM »
xbox hacker,
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VIDEO UPDATE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuK80kL6O64


 What is the excessive clicking noise in the back ground? It doesn't match the time of the spark and I hear more clicks then I see sparks.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #160 on: June 30, 2008, 02:01:39 AM »
I'm glad to see that we are finally onto something awesome, the s1r9a9m9 system and not boosters which has been done to death.  Not that boosters are bad by any means.  We may very well need some boosters to smooth out engine performance down the line.  By the way, did you hear that jcbx of waterfuel1978 got his volvo running on water?  There's two.  Who's next?  RACE I SAY!  Haha.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #161 on: June 30, 2008, 02:03:59 AM »
I realise that the ultimate goal is to replace petrol/gas entirely, but seeing as 99% of cars will need their timing retarded, (non-trivial, especially as 99% of cars on the road are of the newer variety) wouldn't this idea on its own result in a significant increase in mpg?  It would be much easier to test on a real car engine as well...

Hi Sprocket, thanks for looking at this topic. That is true what you are saying but it would be vary easy to make a circuit all in one box that all you do is unplug your spark plug wires and plug them in this box which will have the new wires that you will plug back in your spark plugs and turn the knob to the timing that works best and you are ready to go. If you want to burn gas that would be your choice.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #162 on: June 30, 2008, 02:07:40 AM »
By the way, did you hear that jcbx of waterfuel1978 got his volvo running on water?  There's two.  Who's next?  RACE I SAY!  Haha.

Hi SG, is he sharing his circuit? and if not then why?

Please invite him here to share.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #163 on: June 30, 2008, 02:21:06 AM »
xbox hacker,

 What is the excessive clicking noise in the back ground? It doesn't match the time of the spark and I hear more clicks then I see sparks.

that sound is me slapping the jumper cable on the positive terminal of the coil...i dont have a momentary switch to put in line. I had put the ever most smallest amount of water on the plug. I am in south Florida, its high humidity on film day and just started to rain. I was still trying to get a arc sfter the water was gone.... Luc had the same results in his video ;)

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #164 on: June 30, 2008, 02:23:42 AM »
Super God: i dont think he is running the car on the system, but just useing the cars ignition to make the spark... here is his video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXYGgMuFZUs