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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1063197 times)

Offline epwpixieq-1

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2008, 03:09:41 PM »
Hi Luc,

thanks for the wonderful research !!!!

@ALL who are able to replicate

I have what appears to be a stupid  idea, that may show something ( or may not ).
What if you spray gasoline, with the same sprayer, instead of watter. Hopefully it will not explode in the same way as watter. But with the same initial conditions, at least, it may show what is the energy content of watter compared with gasoline.

Please ignore this posting if you find that it diverges the topic.

Keep the wonderful research guys !!!

sas

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2008, 04:00:49 PM »
@gotoluc

Good one.

You might like this post.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg81291.html#msg81291

General Ignition coil info;
http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/cannon/sparky.html

I'm wondering if a spark plug ignition coil like you are doing produces flyback. Maybe try sending a wire from the ignition coil positive to the battery positive but through a diode. See if the battery power goes up while producing the sparks or if the sparks are no longer produced. lol

On the other hand, is this not possible with just straight wall socket AC power rectified then pulsed as you are doing. Meaning, do you really need the battery and the inverter to make the spark system work.

The other question would be what is the point of this. Do you think an engine will be able to use such high sparking. Will the engine timing limitations be in conflict with the timing limitations of such a spark system. Can this possibly produce hydrogen?

Last question. What are you going to call it. lol

I will have to try this when time permits from so many other projects.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2008, 04:36:06 PM »
He is using steam with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bMZ_pD-Jug

Looks great !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2008, 04:42:04 PM »
hartiberlin: Nice work!!  ;D


Has anyone tried luc's system on a plug in a chamber under pressure?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2008, 04:50:41 PM »
<snip>

I'm wondering if a spark plug ignition coil like you are doing produces flyback. Maybe try sending a wire from the ignition coil positive to the battery positive but through a diode. See if the battery power goes up while producing the sparks or if the sparks are no longer produced. lol

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The other question would be what is the point of this. Do you think an engine will be able to use such high sparking. Will the engine timing limitations be in conflict with the timing limitations of such a spark system. Can this possibly produce hydrogen?

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I was wondering about this too (engine timing/HHO sparkplug fire), but then realized that the timing for HHO spark could be a completely separate unit with solid state timer.

_IF_ that would work, the weak link in automotive electrical system will be the threat of burning up the alternator from too much current draw, rather than engine timing.

Hopefully engine timing will need to be adjusted for the quicker burn of hydrogen vs. petroleum gasoline only, and not running dual spark off the ignition (could fry points/ignition computer).

If you're interested in the HHO output of the spark, look up YouTube channel "crob227" as he's been researching this type of production for a while, but using wire/screw spark gap.

I've wanted to add a coil for HV output for HHO production to see how it would effect output.

Thanks for beating me to it! ;)

Now I'm just wondering how much bigger the alternator would have to be to handle the dual load of engine spark, and HHO spark...........

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2008, 04:54:13 PM »
Hi Luc and Ossi,
did you remove the internal resistor from the sparkplug first
before doing your experiments ?

See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reYRkG39XHw

Great replication Ossi !

Do you think you can still get the required input power down ?

It would be interesting to know, if also only alone with the
high voltage low current discharge the water could be blown up like
this maybe via a bigger charged capacitor ?

Also, why is the spark blown out ?

As Ossi has real high DC power at his cap, the spark should be able
to burn after the firing of the hv coil ?

Or is the explosion of te water itsself blowing out the water ?
In the video with the 24 x 9 Volts batteries the spark did continue to
burn when ignited, so where is the difference in this water firing ?

Luc and Ossi,
do you think the spark explosion is big enough
to propell a cylinder, so a motor could be done running
on this water explosion ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2008, 04:57:52 PM »
Quote
I have what appears to be a stupid  idea, that may show something ( or may not ).
What if you spray gasoline, with the same sprayer, instead of watter

 I had wondered this also. I think we've all have  had a spark plug out of a small engine at some time or another that has had gas on it while we were checking for spark. With a standard ignition system the spark isn't much dry or wet with gas. That said the spark/plasma their getting with water is much more intense than what is currently running in our small engines now using gas. The only question in my mind is will the explosion/expansion of water be the same as gas in a compressed chamber. If it's less I would think firing it closer to TDC would solve this.
                     I have several small engines, 400watt inverter and a microwave on its way, will the microwave have all the electronic parts I need or do I need to go the a parts store? I hope to get something fired up by Sunday!

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2008, 05:04:14 PM »
How to get the resistor out of the sparkplug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J2AHNZUZD0

Can somebody please measure what the Ohm value of this resistor is ?
Is it in the 1 to 10  Ohm range or KOhms ?

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2008, 06:32:50 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2008, 05:06:26 PM »
Video of a sparkplug plasma ball using only 9 volt batteries! Pure DC!
Wonder if hooking up a capacitor and/or inverter would increase the intensity?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iNCzhP7754&NR=1
Hi yaz, thanks for looking and bringing us this excellent video demo. Our circuit can do the same thing ;) all you do is short the plug tip like he does in the video (for a microsecond) and watch the flame go and also watch your plug get ruined ;D.  One might want to increase the gap to as large as you can. Once the RE Plasma Flame is started, I was able to have as much as a 1/2 inch gap. See the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhXPEHM7Cv4

Great.. The only problem being that this would be harder for people in the US to get one of these 230VAC inverters so I was thinking getting two 110VAC from WallyWorld and a couple of bridge rectifiers from RadioShaft would be easier. I think getting high voltage caps might be easy as a lot of computer power supplies have high voltage caps in them so a couple of scavanged dead computer power supplies could be the ticket for cheaper replication.
Hi hydrocontrol, we can look on ebay of India or other contries and get them there ;) Yes, Everyone reuse parts, we are throwing out so many good components every day I find computer monitors, power supplies, microwave ovens and the list goes on.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2008, 05:15:28 PM »
If the diagram is correct I presume the 1n4007 would be damaged by now. Can you please confirm if the 4007 is used between the coil and the plug and the microwave between the full wave and the plug. Could they be the other way around?

If the diagram is correct please confirm if the 4007 is still intact.
Hi willitwork, thanks for looking. I have already confirmed that it is still intact, some posts up. Please read this post: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg108536.html#msg108536

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2008, 05:19:53 PM »
Hi Luc and Ossi,
maybe you can try if the sparkplug electrode materials really have much
influence of the reaction and also the used area of it.

Maybe you can just try to use a bigger metal area, so
just use 2 iron or copper plates or graphite plates and
see, if you bring them close enough and have them wet,
if the whole area will explode or only there, where the spark jumps ?

So maybe if you have at least 1 x 1 inch area of 2 wet plates,
will the whole water on all the area explode or
only the water being directly inside the sparking area ?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2008, 05:32:37 PM »
Hi All,

I have fully replicated the effect that Luc describes and shows. It is truly astounding! With no water and a dry spark plug you get normal cap discharges and nothing special. Spray a bit of water and it is like fire crackers going off! The water will continue to explode when fired repetitively until it has all gone from within the spark plug. This can take a minute or two at a 1 second repitition rate. The more fine the water and spray, the more powerfull an explosion and it is undoubtedly an extreme fuel based explosion which in this case, the fuel is water. Please see my video where I have tried to capture the explosions with angle shots but my digital camera does not do justice in representing the true power of the explosive ignitions of the water. This is very real stuff indeed folks!

http://www.youtube.com/m1a9r9s9

I am attaching a circuit diagram of my test setup and some pictures to this post. Regarding the circuit, the most important part of the discharge side is the need for a high current high voltage diode. I have simply used 16 x 1N5404 in series. They are 4 amp diodes. My oscillator is a basic radiant oscillator that I released years ago and is a very good and simple radiant energy oscillator. As far as RE being at work here, we all need to do much more experimentation to prove it is required as opposed to convention energy. I do know that my simple circuit uses 1-1.5 amps input at 12 volts and this energy input can be brought down significantly with more efficient circuit design.

Regards,

Ossie
Hi Ossie,  ;D ;D ;D Excellent work ;) I am very happy.
I don't know if anyone here would have ideas how to capture a photo of the orange red glow that is going on when the water spray is applied to the plug when it fires?

It would be nice to post a picture of that since the video camera does not pick it up.

Luc

« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 07:05:42 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2008, 05:57:07 PM »
Hi Ossie,  ;D ;D ;D Excellent work ;) I am very happy.
I don't know if anyone here would have ideas how to capture a photo of the orange red glow that is going on when the water spray is applied to the plug when it fires?

It would be nice to post a picture of that since the video camera does not pick it up.

Luc



Hi Luc,
put a bit of Strontium Nitrate into the water,
then it surely will glow red ! ;)

I used this when I still designed my own fireworks... ;)

By the way,  one could also try to use this water explosion for a MHD
generator.
see:
(http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/36/336-004-08BF8623.gif)

and

http://elgersmad.homestead.com/files/mhd/mhd.html

So try to put near the spark gap a magnet and capture electrodes 90 degrees
to your sparkplug electrodes and you will capture some negative electrons and
positive ions, which will charge up your capture electrodes.

Would be interesting to see the captured electric pulse on these electrodes.
Maybe this way we could reconvert the exploding water into electricity
and the efficiency might be higher than in a fuel cell ?
« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 07:06:18 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #73 on: June 28, 2008, 06:00:17 PM »
If avaiable use Faster Diodes than 1N5400 series.
Use AVALANCHE diode to protect against hi voltages peak.
so i tpmt need 16 diodes.
with faster diodes (switching time) you have also more efficientce in output voltages -

Gustav Pese
Hi pese, thanks for looking at this topic and offering your advice to help ;D

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #74 on: June 28, 2008, 06:05:06 PM »
Gotoluc & Callanan,

You might want to think about replacing the water sprayer with steam from an electric kettle, this would simulate heated vapour in ICE (pre-ignition) also, if you could run the steam through a strong EM field prior to igniting it, the effects might be worth the effort.
BTW. I believe S1R's surge issues are nothing more than inconsistent water metering.

Rgds. to all.   
Hi Dread, thanks for coming to this topic, a good suggestion also to see if steam has the same effect or does it get better or worse. A definite simple test to do today.

Luc

 

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