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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1070044 times)

Offline gotoluc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2008, 06:12:23 AM »
Hi Luc,
can you try to put your electrodes directly under water in a water bath and
see what happens then, when you make the discharge ?

Could you this way also make a boat propell due to water shockwaves ?
Hi Stefan, okay I'll try that for you :D but I have to let you know that I love boating and if it works you just might loose me ;D

Ah...the risks of research ;)

Do you have a scope and can then show on a shuntresistor the current through the brigde rectifier, when the spark gap has fired ?
Is is a 120 Hz pulse current train flowing from the inverter through the spark gap then when the high voltage from the ignition coil has made the sparkgap conductive ?

How many amps flow for how long during the spark ?
Regards, Stefan.
Yes I do have a new USB 40Mhz 100MS/s scope which also has a spectrum analyzer. But please know that electronics is not my thing so I may need a step by step (not to operate the scope) but on how and where to hook up the probes, also the max voltage input of the scope is 35 volts, the model of the scope is DSO-2090. I also have a shunt. So guide me through it.

As for pulse current train flowing from the inverter through the spark gap. I did as much as I know how to get this to happen when the high voltage from the ignition coil is triggered to make a conductive path for the RE Plasma from the inverter on the dc side of the bridge when shorted to go through the plug by means of the HV bridge.  I think a triple pulse circuit at every pulse would work much better but I need help on how to build that. I do have some 555 and many other parts but I need help with this.

I will try to measure the current draw and also report back.

Luc
« Last Edit: June 28, 2008, 07:06:10 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2008, 06:45:07 AM »
one thing i'm curious about: would the spark be better if you swapped the microwave diode with the 1N4007?

may the force be with you ;)
I'm not sure if I did that test? but that is a good idea. I'll try it now and let you know.

Luc
« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 07:04:14 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2008, 06:52:53 AM »
A possible experiment if you have two inverters is to bridge rectify the output on each inverter then add the outputs together in series to a large voltage capacitor get a higher output voltage.
Hi hydrocontrol, thanks for looking :D.  Interesting idea you have there. I though about something like that but what I was thinking is inverters in Europe, would they not be already 220v or so?  Hope we can get someone from Europe, India or Astrailia to replicate this. We shall see.

Luc
« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 07:04:37 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2008, 07:10:36 AM »
Hi Luc,

thanks for sharing your discovery. The european inverters have an output of 230V AC.



cheers

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2008, 07:28:40 AM »
Hi Luc,

thanks for sharing your discovery. The european inverters have an output of 230V AC.

cheers

atlantex
Hi atlantex, thanks for your reply and looking at this topic. I hope we can get a replication with one of these and see the difference in the results.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2008, 07:50:42 AM »
hopefully the capacitor or something else doesn't blow up  ;)

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2008, 09:22:23 AM »
Video of a sparkplug plasma ball using only 9 volt batteries! Pure DC!
Wonder if hooking up a capacitor and/or inverter would increase the intensity?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iNCzhP7754&NR=1


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2008, 09:38:03 AM »
Hi Luc,

thanks for sharing your discovery. The european inverters have an output of 230V AC.



cheers

atlantex

Great.. The only problem being that this would be harder for people in the US to get one of these 230VAC inverters so I was thinking getting two 110VAC from WallyWorld and a couple of bridge rectifiers from RadioShaft would be easier. I think getting high voltage caps might be easy as a lot of computer power supplies have high voltage caps in them so a couple of scavanged dead computer power supplies could be the ticket for cheaper replication.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2008, 09:57:03 AM »
I enjoyed the video but I have a feeling that you have found a novel way to explode water, using an unlimited supply of energy (the inverter). The way I see it, the coil ionizes some water molecules and the inverter is happy to provide the current through the nearly short circuit provided by the ionized water. And BANG! Not much energy would be required to blow up a few million molecules of water. So in a real scenario, you would need to provide more energy than that received by the expansion of the exploding water.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2008, 10:45:44 AM »
If the diagram is correct I presume the 1n4007 would be damaged by now. Can you please confirm if the 4007 is used between the coil and the plug and the microwave between the full wave and the plug. Could they be the other way around?

If the diagram is correct please confirm if the 4007 is still intact.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2008, 01:14:35 PM »
i've been looking at the circuit diagram thinking about your q as to where to put the negative lead on the scope probe, and it is a good one... It's very easy to smoke a scope this way (and if it's attached to a PC, possibly smoke that too).

It is safest to leave the scope in AC mode and not use the ground at all (you will still get readings). This caution is because the whole circuit is floating off-ground; and most scopes powered by AC are "single-ended to ground" (non-isolated); unless advertised as "isolated" (rare and more expensive). Battery-powered 'scopes are easier and safer to use in this respect (...act like a DVM), but if interfaced via USB remember that it gets a ground via the PC so this is still very important to remember or damage to the PC could occur.

If you absolutely had to have DC measurement with an AC-powered or PC-interfaced scope, you would first need to earth-ground the negative of the battery and inverter (run a wire to the third hole in a wall socket).. This is assuming the plug ground actually was wired-up correctly in the wall, the scope itself is grounded via the third lug of the power cord, and that it plugs into the same AC circuit (..these things are not always true, lol), and then leave the neg. scope lead attached at that point (no other spot in that circuit will be "safe" for the ground lead, unless the scope is battery powered and not interfaced to a PC).

Some people try "cheating" by cutting off the third lug on the scope's power cord to "float" it: Bad idea; you can get badly shocked this way if you touch the chassis (unless you wired that house/garage yourself and are positively sure about the wiring).

Assuming that scope probe is a "X 1" with the usual 1 M Ohm input impedance; a 9 or 10 Meg. Ohm resister in series with the positive lead tip will raise the total input impedance and the max. allowed voltage 10 or 11 times (this is what a "X10" scope probe does, many have little slide switches for this right on the probe). You would just have to remember your measurements would be correspondingly ten or 11 times higher that what you read on the screen; and accuracy would now correspond to the quality of the resistor.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2008, 01:19:44 PM »
Hi All,

I have fully replicated the effect that Luc describes and shows. It is truly astounding! With no water and a dry spark plug you get normal cap discharges and nothing special. Spray a bit of water and it is like fire crackers going off! The water will continue to explode when fired repetitively until it has all gone from within the spark plug. This can take a minute or two at a 1 second repitition rate. The more fine the water and spray, the more powerfull an explosion and it is undoubtedly an extreme fuel based explosion which in this case, the fuel is water. Please see my video where I have tried to capture the explosions with angle shots but my digital camera does not do justice in representing the true power of the explosive ignitions of the water. This is very real stuff indeed folks!

http://www.youtube.com/m1a9r9s9

I am attaching a circuit diagram of my test setup and some pictures to this post. Regarding the circuit, the most important part of the discharge side is the need for a high current high voltage diode. I have simply used 16 x 1N5404 in series. They are 4 amp diodes. My oscillator is a basic radiant oscillator that I released years ago and is a very good and simple radiant energy oscillator. As far as RE being at work here, we all need to do much more experimentation to prove it is required as opposed to convention energy. I do know that my simple circuit uses 1-1.5 amps input at 12 volts and this energy input can be brought down significantly with more efficient circuit design.

Regards,

Ossie


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2008, 01:35:30 PM »
Hi All,

I have fully replicated the effect that Luc describes and shows. It is truly astounding! With no water and a dry spark plug you get normal cap discharges and nothing special. Spray a bit of water and it is like fire crackers going off! The water will continue to explode when fired repetitively until it has all gone from within the spark plug. This can take a minute or two at a 1 second repitition rate. The more fine the water and spray, the more powerfull an explosion and it is undoubtedly an extreme fuel based explosion which in this case, the fuel is water. Please see my video where I have tried to capture the explosions with angle shots but my digital camera does not do justice in representing the true power of the explosive ignitions of the water. This is very real stuff indeed folks!

http://www.youtube.com/m1a9r9s9


I am attaching a circuit diagram of my test setup and some pictures to this post. Regarding the circuit, the most important part of the discharge side is the need for a high current high voltage diode. I have simply used 16 x 1N5404 in series. They are 4 amp diodes. My oscillator is a basic radiant oscillator that I released years ago and is a very good and simple radiant energy oscillator. As far as RE being at work here, we all need to do much more experimentation to prove it is required as opposed to convention energy. I do know that my simple circuit uses 1-1.5 amps input at 12 volts and this energy input can be brought down significantly with more efficient circuit design.

Regards,

Ossie



If avaiable use Faster Diodes than 1N5400 series.
Use AVALANCHE diode to protect against hi voltages peak.
so i tpmt need 16 diodes.
with faster diodes (switching time) you have also more efficientce in output voltages -

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2008, 02:14:54 PM »
Gotoluc & Callanan,

You might want to think about replacing the water sprayer with steam from an electric kettle, this would simulate heated vapour in ICE (pre-ignition) also, if you could run the steam through a strong EM field prior to igniting it, the effects might be worth the effort.
BTW. I believe S1R's surge issues are nothing more than inconsistent water metering.

Rgds. to all.   

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2008, 02:37:16 PM »
I think you mean through an E only field, like Meyer said?

 

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