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Offline jibbguy

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2008, 10:35:31 PM »
Congrats, Luc , this is a wonderful project and a great example of the Open Source Energy movement!!

« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 07:56:35 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2008, 11:06:43 PM »
wow! I think I just some ious BOOM here I have a 555timer driving the coil with an MOSFET
I was getting the standard little spark from the plug. I just hooked up 2 3KV DC caps from an
old monitor across the plug and I am getting some very nice plasma sparks and what I consider
loud from previous tests. if I dribble some warer on it id gets much louder and there are flashes
of red all around the plug!  I think I am on to somthing here with this. the 555timer is just to pulse
the coil it is around 60hz and I can adjust it. I am going to experiment a bit more then try and get
somthing out to you all.

I will be on this weekend so feel free to ask questions.

22vision

maybe I will get a pic and so you can see  :  )

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2008, 11:14:39 PM »
Luc, can you please try to remove the big diode and just use the cap charge and no connection from the inverter to the
sparkplug ?
Will this be the same discharge spark or does the rectified AC also flow via the spark discharge and make the spark bigger ?

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan,
before starting this topic I did do many tests to find what works and what does not. It took about 30 hours to get it down to just this simple circuit. You should of seen the box of all the crap of stuff I took away before doing the video. One thing I can tell you is forget about what conventional electronics says should be.

To answer your questions above, no discharging the 150uf cap charged at 108vdc through the coil only with the rest of the circuit removed will only do a standard spark.

Also if I remove only the diodes and discharge the cap nothing happens.

Thanks  ;)

Luc
« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 08:03:24 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2008, 11:14:39 PM »
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2008, 11:34:14 PM »
wow! I think I just some ious BOOM here I have a 555timer driving the coil with an MOSFET
I was getting the standard little spark from the plug. I just hooked up 2 3KV DC caps from an
old monitor across the plug and I am getting some very nice plasma sparks and what I consider
loud from previous tests. if I dribble some warer on it id gets much louder and there are flashes
of red all around the plug!  I think I am on to somthing here with this. the 555timer is just to pulse
the coil it is around 60hz and I can adjust it. I am going to experiment a bit more then try and get
somthing out to you all.

I will be on this weekend so feel free to ask questions.

22vision

maybe I will get a pic and so you can see  :  )
Wow :D , that's great news, mostly if you are seeing the red glow around the plug ;).

Keep us up to date.

Luc
« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 08:04:49 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2008, 12:50:57 AM »
Luc, great topic look forward to further developments.
Going to sleep on it now, if I can sleep!

Regards Bren.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2008, 01:46:48 AM »
Hi Luc,

Thank you for your very interesting experiment.

Regards,

Ossie
« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 08:06:42 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2008, 02:09:13 AM »
OK...my setup, per Luc's plans.... I get a great spark... red-ish/white (it varies) nice little snap....BUT, i think it could be better!  I dont really have a "mister/sprayer" to fully test with also. I got a el-cheapo 400w inverter from harbor fright tools, does not seem to bog down at any times. I thought i would try a "normal" spark with the coil ... not that impressive!!! LOL  ;D

Also..how many Ohms (or less) should the plug be?
« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 08:08:10 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2008, 03:51:37 AM »
UPDATE: I GOT A MUCH BETTER SPARK!!!!!...its almost as good as yours luc... ;D

my trick was to use a "spark gap arc checker" (i think its called) you can get them at any auto parts store, so the resistance is ultra LOW (until i can find the right plug).... i will post a image as soon as i get the pic off my phone. And have some MORE beer!

One interesting thing i did notice is: The checker has a screw that you adjust to make the gap from 0 to 1" .... the farther i make the gap the more DC volts i get from the tip to the ground... ??? normal?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2008, 04:45:47 AM »
Hi Luc,
can you try to put your electrodes directly under water in a water bath and
see what happens then, when you make the discharge ?

Could you this way also make a boat propell due to water shockwaves ?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2008, 04:55:36 AM »


To answer your questions above, no discharging the 150uf cap charged to 108vdc through the coil only with the rest of the circuit removed will only do a standard spark.



I see, many thanks for this answer.

Do you have a scope and can then show on a shuntresistor the
current through the brigde rectifier, when the spark gap has fired ?
Is is a 120 Hz pulse current train flowing from the inverter through the
spark gap then when the high voltage from the ignition coil has made
the sparkgap conductive ?

How many amps flow for how long during the spark ?

P.S: Luc, I will set you on elitemember status, so you can
open up a new thread and post there alone and lock the thread up,
so you can document it all in a row.
For historical reasons, I would like to keep
this thread as it is, so everybody can later see, when something
was invented by which person.

Many thanks for understanding.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2008, 04:59:46 AM »
a very interesting circuit Luc :)

i think someone already mentioned that the coil spark is acting as a switch to gate-in the rectified inverter output. i would agree with this analysis. quite a neat action.

may the force be with you ;)
« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 08:12:02 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2008, 05:46:38 AM »
Hi Luc,

Thank you for your very interesting experiment.
Regards,

Ossie
Hi Ossie, thanks for looking.

Luc
« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 08:12:57 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2008, 05:51:12 AM »
Check Ed Gray's work.........

Regards
Hi Erfinder, thanks for looking at this topic. I am happy ;D to see you here. I hope we have the real thing here ;)

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2008, 06:07:51 AM »
OK...my setup, per Luc's plans.... I get a great spark... red-ish/white (it varies) nice little snap....BUT, i think it could be better! All i could get my hands on is a 220uf/250v cap. So how important is the uF of the cap and what value should it be? I dont really have a "mister/sprayer" to fully test with also. I got a el-cheapo 400w inverter from harbor fright tools, does not seem to bog down at any times. I thought i would try a "normal" spark with the coil ... not that impressive!!! LOL  ;D

Also..how many Ohms (or less) should the plug be?
Great work xbox hacker ;D. The uf of the cap is not so important!.. I tested with different values and I could not see the difference and I don't know why that is yet, so experiment as you wish with that and post your findings.

You must use a spark plug with NO resistance in it. Look at my earlier post for the instructions on how to modify your plug. So the plug should be 0 ohms

UPDATE: I GOT A MUCH BETTER SPARK!!!!!...its almost as good as yours luc... ;D

my trick was to use a "spark gap arc checker" (i think its called) you can get them at any auto parts store, so the resistance is ultra LOW (until i can find the right plug).... i will post a image as soon as i get the pic off my phone. And have some MORE beer!

One interesting thing i did notice is: The checker has a screw that you adjust to make the gap from 0 to 1" .... the farther i make the gap the more DC volts i get from the tip to the ground... ??? normal?
That is a good tool to find ideal gap. Keep up the research and post your findings. If anyone here can help start collecting all the details and prepair a pdf of a parts list, how to modify the spark plug and all the new findings, that would be a great help.

Thanks to everyone here for the participation.

Luc
« Last Edit: October 09, 2008, 06:20:08 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2008, 06:09:37 AM »
A possible experiment if you have two inverters is to bridge rectify the output on each inverter then add the outputs together in series to a large voltage capacitor get a higher output voltage.

 

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