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David Hamel Generator.
« on: June 25, 2008, 10:10:23 PM »
Hallo Leute,

wollte mal fragen ob die Technologie von David Hamel nachgebaut wurde? Irgendwie finde ich im Internet rein garnichts Aktuelles dazu!

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hammnu.htm

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David Hamel Generator.
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Re: David Hamel Generator.
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 11:02:41 PM »
Mal einfach mal in die Runde gefragt. Was denkt ihr was ein Magnetfeld ist? Wie es beschaffen ist? Woraus es besteht? Usw.? W?rde mich einfach mal interessieren was da f?r Vorstellungen existieren.

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Re: David Hamel Generator.
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Re: David Hamel Generator.
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2008, 11:10:08 AM »
Mal einfach mal in die Runde gefragt. Was denkt ihr was ein Magnetfeld ist? Wie es beschaffen ist? Woraus es besteht? Usw.? W?rde mich einfach mal interessieren was da f?r Vorstellungen existieren.

Magnetism is the local ether of cyclic time. It manifests as radiant energy in the difference of electric potential of the higher and lower atmosphere. A magnetic field is space polarized by a magnet (like the iron core of the earth). Space consists of gravitions (positive and negative time combined as one before separate material manifestation into protons and electrons, proto-matter so to say, see; http://peswiki.com/index.php/Paper:A_New_Foundation_for_Physics,_by_Quantum_Aether_Dynamics_Institute#Relationship_of_Dimensions_to_Form). So a magnetic field consists of cycling gravitons which with momentum can be converted into usable electrical energy. Stubblefield e.g. managed to retreive electrical energy out of the earth's active magnetic field. Just a coil in the soil. That is all. That is the proof. Gravity is the universal ether of centripetal force (linear inward time). It manifests as the Casimir force (the force pressing two plates held at a microscopic distance together) . And dark energy or zeropoint energy is the primal ether of timespace or the expansion of the universe (linear outward going time) proven by the Hubble redshift. The latter ether is the dominant one traditionally considered absolute. The relative of the ether though (gravity combined with magnetism)  is what we seek to provide us with overunity energy. That is why the Hamel 'three cone' device is called a gravito magnetic device (GMD) by Pierre Sinclair (see: http://www.padrak.com/ine/SINCLAIRE1.html).  The Hamel device confines the workings of gravity in compressing that force in all three spacial dimensions in the frame of his djed-setup in such a way that the central magnetic equilibrium is impossible and the lateral deviation is repelled. The magnetic force can, driven by the primal ether, do nothing else but prove its cyclic nature then; if everything is correctly tuned that is. And that is the problem with Hamel. We have no video's of a working GMD seen yet, only stories of contacts of Hamel. Hamel was a believer of aliens contacting him through his television set and egyptian mythology. Jeanne Manning wrote a book about him (http://www.world-famous.com/DavidHamelStuff/Hamel-Products-Info.html). It is out of print alas. That makes research difficult. Was Hamel a crackpot or an extraterrestrially inspired medium? He was no writer nor a scientist. An intuitive person for sure. We have to reconstruct his generator ourselves to prove this theory of catching the force of the relative ether right.  J. Naudin indeed did good work in this. He even made models of Hamel's flying saucer working on the three-cone principle of anisotropic restlessness.  See further the links above.
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Re: David Hamel Generator.
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David Hamel Generator. Gravito Magetic Device , GMD tested
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 04:43:58 PM »
A replication is tried and the principle is tested of the so-called GMD, the gravito-magnetic device or free energy generator. Hamel said he was inspired by aliens, he even tried to build a flying saucer with it. It was refuted as being a viable option by the Myth busters team. But since no material of that effort could be found on the net, we tried our own replication....It leads to the conclusion that from positioning the spinner in a cup or device like the GMD no spin is obtained. One illusion less.
The design is described in an artice of mr. Pierre Sinclair, a former associate of Hamel.
Article: http://www.padrak.com/ine/SINCLAIRE1.html
Site dedicated to the work of Hamel:
http://www.world-famous.com/DavidHamelStuff/Hamel-Physics.html
Computer model of Naudin:
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/thfrnrgen.htm
Free energy research pages Anand Aadhar:
http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html

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Re: David Hamel Generator.
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Re: David Hamel Generator.
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2008, 03:49:49 PM »
Hi Anand,
Nice work you've done and it's good to see some videos. I tried replicating this myself a few years ago. See the pages starting with:
 http://rimstar.org/sdprop/haml45gd/haml45gd.htm
Note the most important one:
 http://rimstar.org/sdprop/haml45gd/h45gdavd/h45gdavd.htm
where I detail the results of my visits with David Hamel.

The main principle for this 3 cone device is not spin though. In fact, it isn't supposed to spin at all. It's supposed to wobble. The best animation of this is on this page (although the wobble is exagerated, more below):
 http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hammnu.htm
You succeed in this a little at around 6:20 in your first video when you lower the top magnet. The Hamel spinner was intended by David to demonstrate what he called the butterfly effect or motion, which is the wobbling motion that the "spinning" magnet makes when you press down on it with the magnet in your hand if you don't press too hard. This is what he told me when he demonstrated it to me at his place during one visit. However, he also said that it was a demonstration of perpetual motion, which Jean-Louis Naudin showed it wasn't. The wobble and spin work only as long as you hold the repelling magnet in your hand. As soon as you fix the repelling magnet in place, the wobble and spin will not continue. It's the small movements of your hand that keep the magnet spinning, and wobbling if you don't press down too hard.

However, the 3 cone device, which David called a heater and which replicators call a 45GD (45 gallon drum device) or 3CD (3 cone device) is not supposed to spin, just wobble. It does look like your alignment is a little out. The middle cone is always tilted when the three cones are in place. This could be caused by the alignment of the base affecting the bottom cone affecting the middle cone. Or it could be the cones themselves. Hard to say from the video.

When I brought mine to show David (I lived a 2 hour drive away) he always pointed to the area between the magnets on the cone's rim and the fixed ring of magnets that repell them and said that the energy comes from here, the zero point (quoting from memory.) You might also need to make a more complete version before it'll work, but who knows. David's version that worked was more completely built: metal cones, contained in a metal 45 gallon drum. For it to "perpetually" wobble it may need to be more complete. David did say many times that the resulting air flow around the cones was also important. Also, the first thing David pointed out to me when I showed him my first version was that the spacing between the cone rim magnets and the ring of magnets that repell them was too big. He told me that his was only about 1/4" with about 1/16" of wobble. So your gap size may be to big. My first one (Mark 1) had about 1" gap but my second one (Mark 2) was about 7/16". Also, as you mention in your video, the top magnet that pushes down should be in repulsion, not attraction. It's supposed to push down to compress the cones a little so that they wobble. But I imagine your cones alignment will have to be perfect. Also, one time when David and I were trying to get my Mark 2 version running, he suggested that my oscillator (the common term for the base) was too rigid. It needs to be fairly loose to allow the bottom cone to move however it wants. Compare how much freedom the bottom tip of your middle cone has compared to the bottom tip of your bottom cone.

Pierre Sinclair's gavito magnetic device was an attempt to replicate David Hamel's device that flew away. Some details on that one are at:
 http://rimstar.org/sdprop/hamlshfs/hamlshfs.htm
The device you're trying to replicate did not fly away but instead imploded after being left to run of a while. It also made the air glow (plasma? ionization?)  which I suspect you may not see until you have metal cones and enclose it, possible in a metal drum.

I hope this helps.
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Re: David Hamel Generator.
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2008, 03:44:13 AM »
Hi Guys;

I also built a Hamel 3 cone device a few years ago after reading about it on several sites.  Mine did exactly what Anand's did in his video. I must have made a hundred adjustments but it would always stop.

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Re: David Hamel Generator.
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2008, 10:02:59 AM »
Hi Anand,
Nice work you've done and it's good to see some videos. I tried replicating this myself a few years ago. See the pages starting with:
 http://rimstar.org/sdprop/haml45gd/haml45gd.htm
Note the most important one:
 http://rimstar.org/sdprop/haml45gd/h45gdavd/h45gdavd.htm
where I detail the results of my visits with David Hamel.

The main principle for this 3 cone device is not spin though. In fact, it isn't supposed to spin at all. It's supposed to wobble. The best animation of this is on this page (although the wobble is exagerated, more below):
 http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hammnu.htm
You succeed in this a little at around 6:20 in your first video when you lower the top magnet. The Hamel spinner was intended by David to demonstrate what he called the butterfly effect or motion, which is the wobbling motion that the "spinning" magnet makes when you press down on it with the magnet in your hand if you don't press too hard. This is what he told me when he demonstrated it to me at his place during one visit. However, he also said that it was a demonstration of perpetual motion, which Jean-Louis Naudin showed it wasn't. The wobble and spin work only as long as you hold the repelling magnet in your hand. As soon as you fix the repelling magnet in place, the wobble and spin will not continue. It's the small movements of your hand that keep the magnet spinning, and wobbling if you don't press down too hard.

However, the 3 cone device, which David called a heater and which replicators call a 45GD (45 gallon drum device) or 3CD (3 cone device) is not supposed to spin, just wobble. It does look like your alignment is a little out. The middle cone is always tilted when the three cones are in place. This could be caused by the alignment of the base affecting the bottom cone affecting the middle cone. Or it could be the cones themselves. Hard to say from the video.

When I brought mine to show David (I lived a 2 hour drive away) he always pointed to the area between the magnets on the cone's rim and the fixed ring of magnets that repell them and said that the energy comes from here, the zero point (quoting from memory.) You might also need to make a more complete version before it'll work, but who knows. David's version that worked was more completely built: metal cones, contained in a metal 45 gallon drum. For it to "perpetually" wobble it may need to be more complete. David did say many times that the resulting air flow around the cones was also important. Also, the first thing David pointed out to me when I showed him my first version was that the spacing between the cone rim magnets and the ring of magnets that repell them was too big. He told me that his was only about 1/4" with about 1/16" of wobble. So your gap size may be to big. My first one (Mark 1) had about 1" gap but my second one (Mark 2) was about 7/16". Also, as you mention in your video, the top magnet that pushes down should be in repulsion, not attraction. It's supposed to push down to compress the cones a little so that they wobble. But I imagine your cones alignment will have to be perfect. Also, one time when David and I were trying to get my Mark 2 version running, he suggested that my oscillator (the common term for the base) was too rigid. It needs to be fairly loose to allow the bottom cone to move however it wants. Compare how much freedom the bottom tip of your middle cone has compared to the bottom tip of your bottom cone.

Pierre Sinclair's gavito magnetic device was an attempt to replicate David Hamel's device that flew away. Some details on that one are at:
 http://rimstar.org/sdprop/hamlshfs/hamlshfs.htm
The device you're trying to replicate did not fly away but instead imploded after being left to run of a while. It also made the air glow (plasma? ionization?)  which I suspect you may not see until you have metal cones and enclose it, possible in a metal drum.

I hope this helps.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

The upper cup was sidewards under the force of the magnet above it. The smaller magnet did not show that. So the alignment was right but the force of the field couldn't keep the 3 in line.  Lowering the magnets makes it pend in one direction always. A wobble would be a back and forth motion of the top magnet, but the field in the middle would prevent it crossing the centre so that the only way is for it to spin, Or am I wrong? Naudin's replication-model shows a spin with the wobble. So you have seen a Hamel device working perpetually, or just for some time? A wobble caused by a little shock from the outside can take minutes to come to a rest, but the decline is quickly seen. Words are just words, we need a witness like you to be exact on your observations to be sure we have a real thing here. I have no idea how to picture the wobble going that strong that the thing develops anti-gravity... Just burning a little bulb or spinning a wheel with it would be enough for me. We need a replicable, mechanical proof of magnetic overunity.  Vince had the same problem: no alignment with our replications gives a permanent wobble. My compliments with your faithful research. Don't you have a video of your wobble?

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Re: David Hamel Generator.
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2008, 03:23:03 PM »
I also built a Hamel 3 cone device a few years ago after reading about it on several sites.  Mine did exactly what Anand's did in his video. I must have made a hundred adjustments but it would always stop.

@Vince,
Nice work. Do you mean it spun or that it wobbled or both? Mine wobbled for sure. I don't recall any spinning. Did you ever try with it enclosed in a metal container? David always said that the air motion around the cones is important. Without the enclosure you wouldn't have the air movement. Also, if there's ionization (my theory, though David's mentioned of the colored glow supports it) then that might be needed to build up before it would become self-sustaining (again, my theory.)

The upper cup was sidewards under the force of the magnet above it. The smaller magnet did not show that. So the alignment was right but the force of the field couldn't keep the 3 in line.  Lowering the magnets makes it pend in one direction always. A wobble would be a back and forth motion of the top magnet, but the field in the middle would prevent it crossing the centre so that the only way is for it to spin, Or am I wrong? Naudin's replication-model shows a spin with the wobble.

@Anand,
There may well be spin, but according to what David Hamel told me, it's the wobble that we're after. I don't recall mine spinning.

So you have seen a Hamel device working perpetually, or just for some time?

I've never seen one working perpetually. Mine would wobble for a short time and then stop. My version that replaced the top repelling magnets with a motorized oscillator would continue to wobble, but that was because of the motorized oscillator of course.

A wobble caused by a little shock from the outside can take minutes to come to a rest, but the decline is quickly seen. Words are just words, we need a witness like you to be exact on your observations to be sure we have a real thing here.

I agree. That's why I did the next best thing and brought mine with me when I visited David so he could point out issues first hand. But yes, seeing a perpetually working one in person would be best. Unfortunately David's destroyed itself the first evening he tested it and since he knew it worked, he didn't see any reason to make another. Instead he focused on building his space ship version, which he didn't get a chance to complete. All we have are the results of conversations with David Hamel by people such as myself, and there won't be any new ones since David passed away in September 2007.

I have no idea how to picture the wobble going that strong that the thing develops anti-gravity... Just burning a little bulb or spinning a wheel with it would be enough for me. We need a replicable, mechanical proof of magnetic overunity.  Vince had the same problem: no alignment with our replications gives a permanent wobble. My compliments with your faithful research. Don't you have a video of your wobble?

Sadly, and I regret it more every time this comes up, to make room in my small place, I've since gotten rid of everything except the magnets and my two versions of the oscillator (the bottom part.) Back when I did my experiments back in 2000, I didn't have a video camera. But since mine would only wobble a short time, that doesn't matter. The animation on Jean-Louis's website is good enough to demonstrate the motion. His replication is only a replication of the demonstration of the butterfly motion and so is less useful than his animation for the purpose of replicating the 3 cone device. If you want descriptions from more people then you'd have to go to the yahoo group where there are plenty.

I also have only theories, and I can picture how it might occur. Being one who can't see how you can get energy from nowhere, I bring zero point energy into it of course:
 http://rimstar.org/sdprop/hamel/hameltheory.htm
"The initial wobble of the magnets induces an electrical current in the metal cones and the exterior shell. This results in a separation of charge across the skin of the cone. Charge leaks out any sharp points, ionizing the air. The wobbling of the cones causes the ionized air to move around, including away from the sharp points, allowing more ionization. This ionized air fills the drum, including the area between the wobbling magnets located at the cone rims. This fulctuating magnetic field in the presence of ionized air results in a tapping of zero point energy. Somehow there is feedback which sustains the wobbling. If enough zero point energy is tapped then gravity effects may happen."
More is on the webpage. But that's just my untested theory.

If I were to build one again, having gone over two versions with David, I would embed my magnets in metal bicycle rims like David did so that my cones would get more contact with the fluctuating magnetic field (for my theory) and I would use the exact same magnets that David did. My cones would be metal, like David's, and the whole thing would be enclosed in a metal 45 gallon drum, like David's. The first rule of any replicator is "first replicate exactly." I started out without contact with David and with very little info, like you, and back in the days when there was only a short video lecture by Pierre Sinclair. Even after visiting David a few times and showing him two versions I still have questions about the rings of magnets attached to the drum wall. If I were to build one more version, I'd have to start from scratch.
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2008, 08:53:22 PM »
Steve;

My replication would wobble and give the odd partial spin but would quickly come to a stop.

If you look up MYTHBUSTERS latest episodes you will find the show they did on antigravity devices.  They built a very close replica of the Hamel device complete with the 45 gallon drum. I got the impression from the show that the unit was balanced and did continue to wobble but I don't know for how long.  They did try to measure for gravity modification but got negative results. For them to go that far, I'm assuming that they got a fairly steady wobble in their cones. It is probably the best replication I've seen over the years but sadly it too, does not work.

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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2008, 11:39:05 PM »
Thanks Vince.
I've heard of the Mythbusters episode but I don't get the show myself and despite having looked for it online a number of times, have never been able to find it. If anyone has a link to where this episode can be viewed I'd really appreciate having it.

Also, if you do get a chance to enclose your 3 cone device, I'd suggest you make sure that the enclosure is electrically connected to the metal rim that the ring of magnets (the magnets that are in opposition to the cone rim magnets) is attached to - just in case it's important that the fluctuating magnetic field induce current to flow in the enclosure wall. I did get two weak positive results from mine when I ran my Mark 2 with a mechanical oscillator to create the wobbling and with it enclosed in a steel 45 gallon drum with just a small hole in the top. The first highly subjective result was that I think I smelled ozone, which would result if there was ionization going on inside. The second result was when I inserted the probe from an ion meter down into the drum such that it lightly touched the inside surface of the top cone (which was aluminium), it showed fluctuating ionization in sync with the wobble, i.e. changing amounts of charge on the cone surface. This makes sense as the magnets at the cone rim would have a fluctuating magnetic field which would induce electron flow in the metal cone. See:
 http://rimstar.org/sdprop/haml45gd/h45gdmk2/h45gdmk2.htm#RESULTS
and more specifically:
 http://rimstar.org/sdprop/haml45gd/h45gdmk2/mtr1mk2/mtr1mk2.htm
Darn, I wish I still had the parts for mine!
-Steve
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Re: David Hamel Generator.
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2008, 05:32:12 AM »
The reason I see for the device with the ball bearing working is because you are chasing
it around on the table. The movement of your hand chasing it makes it keep spinning.
If it really did spin on it's own you could just replace the ball with a stationary bearing
and it would keep spinning in one place.
I see no mystery here.

By the way my girlfriend became interested in Hamel and ordered the whole package on his device.
In the videos he keeps mentioning the importance of using granite,
something about the characteristics of granite. He insists everything must be made from granite.

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Re: David Hamel Generator.
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2008, 10:47:38 AM »
The reason I see for the device with the ball bearing working is because you are chasing
it around on the table. The movement of your hand chasing it makes it keep spinning.

I'll second that, every Hamel spinner gets dragged/pushed around by the operator. It spins because the spinner is allowed to tilt slightly thus the ball contact point on the table is slightly off centre, this gives a tiny contact circle as it rolls around so only a small hand movement will cause quite fast revolutions.

 

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