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Author Topic: This video pretty much says it all.  (Read 18659 times)

Offline exxcomm0n

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2008, 12:25:56 AM »
hey i have a 1969 opel GT for sale 500 bucks obo


@ haliburton

How's the body? Does it run?

Answer me those and you might have a sale. I had one once, and I miss it.

@ all

As long as popular fuel usage is petroleum based, oil companies and car companies will preform "Neal and Bob" services to each other.
If you can't see that, you need to stop thinking of the school economics and start observing real world economics.

I'm going HHO on a early 90's Toyota Camry that already gets 33 MPG city/highway milage (it even better on road trips).
Why aren't most present day vehicles able to have this kind of mileage?

Since folks like going to the Tube so much, do a search for "HHO VW" and find videos from a guy using it in his VW van.
He's using real world gas tank filling/division methods to chart MPG.
Check this one here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJsONDo_jVg

Remember, this is a machine made during the 70's when MPG wasn't even heard of.

....and before you get all huffy and say we get MUCH gas mileage these days, start trying to FIND, let alone compare MPG ratings for a truck or car.

It used to be the lead off for the commercials, and give it a couple of years, and I bet it will be again because by that time oil prices will be so hiked that oil companies can still make the record breaking profits they are RIGHT NOW with more fuel efficient vehicles being offered.

Why didn't fuel economy STAY as the #1 selling point for a vehicle vs. wanting a very capable off road vehicle with horrendous efficiency so you can be like "Arnie" (Arnold Schwartzenegger)?

BTW, how does the reported MPG for your truck in it's specs compare to real world use?

All things to consider man.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008, 01:14:33 AM by exxcomm0n »

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2008, 02:25:35 AM »
Just one more that explain why things are the way they are......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZqz75nMuC8

He "says" he's getting improved performance and mileage in his S-10.

Maybe you should get a chevy.

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Offline utilitarian

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2008, 02:59:25 AM »
The auto industry does not want to build more efficient engines. Not in their interest as it would 'cost them money' and it would cost their bed buddies the oil companies in less revenue from selling less gas. Not going to happen in the US for awhile. Now maybe a country like Japan that has to import almost all their oil..  Oh wait.. they are producing more efficient engines and hybrids as well. Too bad the US auto makers can not get a clue. Maybe they will get a clue after all their sales go flat but then the government will likely bail them out. A shame..

You contradict yourself in the same paragraph.  First you say that the car companies are too friendly with the oil companies.  Then you say that the Japanese are not.  Well, since Japan does not have much of an oil industry, and you are conceding that Japanese automakers have been making fuel efficient cars for some time, why haven't the Japanese automakers jumped on the HHO-on-demand bandwagon?  Wouldn't they just love to broaden their market share by a huge amount?  How about this for a selling point - same Honda Accord, but now with 50 to 60 MPG.

Only one reason why they do not incorporate HHO-on-demand -- it doesn't result in fuel savings.  And how can it?  You are using the inefficient gasoline engine to make HHO, suffering losses in the conversion process, and then in turn using that HHO to supplement that same engine.  This sort of bootstrapping adds losses to the process with no payoff.  You may as well have a container of crude oil somewhere and use your engine to first refine the crude oil and then use the resulting gasoline.

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
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Offline KilltheMessenger

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2008, 04:31:49 AM »
Maybe you have not considered how much technology has come in the last 30 years? Lithium Batteries, and too many other chemicals, compounds, and such have made some things appear easy to do today, but impossible to do 30 years ago.
The news on Honda's FCV, is that it is in production now. Even though ford has a bunch of FCV on the road in testing, I didn't hear anything about production yet. I imagine that there would have to be fill stations in place before they could sel any of them. Why could they not put a fill station at every Honda dealer. I guess it would depend on how long a fuel cell would run befoe needing to be filled, or maybe replaced. Making it a user replacable part would be the way to go. Did anyone bother to look at www.teslamotors.com   100% lithium powered car that can blow the doors off of most any gas powered car on the road. Zero to 60 in 3.9 seconds, 2 cents per mile = 256 MPG, 220 miles per charge, 100% electric. Too bad we can't afford one. At least I can't, or won't,

Brake energy recovery could have been here 30+ years ago, it's not a new concept.

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2008, 07:24:30 AM »
Only one reason why they do not incorporate HHO-on-demand -- it doesn't result in fuel savings.  And how can it?  You are using the inefficient gasoline engine to make HHO, suffering losses in the conversion process, and then in turn using that HHO to supplement that same engine.  This sort of bootstrapping adds losses to the process with no payoff.  You may as well have a container of crude oil somewhere and use your engine to first refine the crude oil and then use the resulting gasoline.

I agree that a using a normal car engine is not a good way to run it off HHO. Perhaps designing an engine from the ground up that will run of HHO-on-demand is a better solution. Do you think a US company will do it ? Not likely. Too much effort. But wait.. It looks like a company in japan already has a water fueled car.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vPq1exwMaUs

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Offline utilitarian

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2008, 09:01:25 AM »
I agree that a using a normal car engine is not a good way to run it off HHO. Perhaps designing an engine from the ground up that will run of HHO-on-demand is a better solution. Do you think a US company will do it ? Not likely. Too much effort. But wait.. It looks like a company in japan already has a water fueled car.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vPq1exwMaUs

I do concede that I am very perplexed by their car.  I just do not understand the point of making HHO on board.  I have not read the available materials very thoroughly, but I am assuming that the energy to create the HHO is coming from a battery.  Then, a fuel cell converts the HHO into electrical current, which drives the car.  The natural question there, is why bother with the HHO?  Just use the battery to drive the car.  I guess we will know more in time, or perhaps I am missing something.

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2008, 02:48:20 PM »
now i was reading some where that thease units can pull somthing like 6 amps per cubic inch of water  :o

im no ee but that seams like a lot of power 2 me

oh i read this in an old book called the way things work it was published in the 60's 8)

ill see if i cant post the pages form the book ....

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Offline KilltheMessenger

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2008, 03:02:52 PM »
The current draw is dependent on the type of, strength of , and temperature of the electrolyte used, and the surface area of the conducting material. Not to mention the supply voltage.  I'm not any kind of engineer, but to say it draws 6 amps per cubic inch of water, makes no sense. Find another book.

now i was reading some where that these units can pull something like 6 amps per cubic inch of water  :o

im no ee but that seams like a lot of power 2 me

oh i read this in an old book called the way things work it was published in the 60's 8)

ill see if i cant post the pages form the book ....

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Offline hydrocontrol

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2008, 03:34:21 PM »
I do concede that I am very perplexed by their car.  I just do not understand the point of making HHO on board.  I have not read the available materials very thoroughly, but I am assuming that the energy to create the HHO is coming from a battery.  Then, a fuel cell converts the HHO into electrical current, which drives the car.  The natural question there, is why bother with the HHO?  Just use the battery to drive the car.  I guess we will know more in time, or perhaps I am missing something.

Here is another thread here at overunity.com that seems to have more information on the technology..

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4929.0;topicseen

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2008, 04:15:27 PM »
The current draw is dependent on the type of, strength of , and temperature of the electrolyte used, and the surface area of the conducting material. Not to mention the supply voltage.  I'm not any kind of engineer, but to say it draws 6 amps per cubic inch of water, makes no sense. Find another book.


heres the # of the book you go read it it may answer a tonne of questions in fact i did for me  ;D

there many many kool things explained in the book

just look at the peizeo speeker   what ever happened to them

humm

just a tonne of great things in this book

the book is called volume 1 the way things work an illustrated encyclopedia of technology  simon and schuster new york

libary of congress catalog card number : 67-27972



quote right out of this book......


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the Becon fuel cell {h202}cell  produces current of up to 6.5 amps/"2 at a temp of 240deg c  :P

page 52 :o

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Alex:  for 1000 what is the electroide metel used in this cell ?.....

what is nickel ....

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2008, 04:22:25 PM »
I'm not sure what that was pointing to, but the car that runs on water had a huge generator in the trunk. Where was the power to run the generator coming from? There are a lot of details left out of that car commercial.

For the other person who asked about the Fuel cell, and battery power. The Fuel Cell runs on pure Hydrogen, and it is compressed. This is something that we can't do very easily. It generates electric power to drive a motor. Hydrogen used for electric power is not the same as trying to generate and burn HHO in a gas engine. Search on Honda FCV, and Ford FCV and see what you find.

Here is another thread here at overunity.com that seems to have more information on the technology..

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4929.0;topicseen


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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2008, 04:44:30 PM »
Another thing to think about.   If E=mc2 , one gallon has a lot more energy than a car knows what to do with.   

What if some of these water/HHO power devices/engines are extracting nuclear energy from water?   




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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2008, 04:50:38 PM »
killthemessngr
I seen ur vids on making cells on youtube,
last week u had 1 half in ur car u say it doesnt work now?

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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2008, 05:07:55 PM »
Im still gunna try put a cell in an old scooter or so to try out :P
Just not going to credit card to any crappy lookin site.
free plans everywhere might B a nice hobby :)
got some stainless around here,
If they were crap i gues there should be loads of vids on the net of people ripping the cell out of their car and jump on it a few times.


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Re: This video pretty much says it all.
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2008, 05:49:11 PM »
Yes, I have it fully installed, and I used it today on the way into work.  The best mileage I ever got was 21.4 MPG, and that was without anything. I got 20.1 yesterday, with no HHO, and 20.5 today using HHO.  That is too close for any conclusive statement, but the test will get more accurate after the full trip at the end of the day. I will do mostly the same trip on both days, and I have not been able to get much over 20 on any day. Some days I am at 18 for the day, but only because I went on a lunch time trip to Home Depot, and that involved a lot of stop and go. The stopping is not so bad, but the going, is a real ball breaker.
To the person who said that 32 liters per hour is not enough. I say BS. If there is going to be confirmation beyond doubt when I reach twice as much, of three times as much HHO, why would I not see a minor improvement now?  It's not like the movie "Chain Reaction", where they reached self generation of HHO by hitting the water with the proper frequencies. Great movie, but total fiction.
Again, for those that have not read the entire thread, I have a 2004 Ford 5.4 liter Triton V8. I installed CO2 spacers, and I used a calibrated Scangauge II to keep track of my gas usuage realtime. I try to drive carefully  by cruising at 1100 RPM when possible. I monitor the engine load, and realtime MPG. I have one very steep short hill that i take a big hit on. The engine load hits in the 80% range on that hill. The best load is a low load, and 27 is a good number for high MPG. Going too slow is counter productive. Going too fast (over 55), is counter productive. I have to speed a little to get my best mileage, I go 38-40 in a 35. I continue to try and prove that HHo works, but I am more sure that it does not. I will continue because the damage to my wallet and time is done. It does not take much effort to keep track of things, and make minor changes.
if I have to generate much more HHo than i have, I have to utilize my tool box for a massive generator, and put myself in the dangerous position of draining too much power from my alternator/battery. The extra stress on the alternator can damage it, and that would be the icing on the cake, and the last nail in the coffin of HHO for me. My yourtube page will be updated to reflect my experience.

killthemessngr
I seen ur vids on making cells on youtube,
last week u had 1 half in ur car u say it doesnt work now?

 

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