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Author Topic: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth  (Read 6069 times)

Offline enki09

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A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« on: June 22, 2008, 07:52:38 PM »
Some time ago I wanted to come up with the simplest, most easy to understand way to produce H2 from water via electrolysis and do it in a renewable way. Of course solar or wind energy are good examples of this but solar depends on the sun shining and wind depends on...well...wind. Both of these are not 24/7 in nature and I wanted something that could be and something that required very few if any moving parts. The following is what I came up with. Please note that I am not saying this would ever have any commercial application, just than it seems as though it illustrates what I wanted to show.

Ok, so first off we have to understand that the Earth is electrically charged and that <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/free_energy/messages">"There is a flow of charge going on vertically everwhere on earth. Thunderstorms pump negative charge downwards, and the charge filters upwards everywhere else on earth. Depending on the height of your circuitry above the earth's surface, depending on the area covered by your wires, and depending on whether there was a thunderstorm above you at the time, there might be a fairly huge DC charge on your electrical distribution system. This charge might be several hundred volts; enough to zap computers and delicate electronics. Or... it might be many tens of thousands of volts, enough to create enormous sparks which jump across switches and leap out of wall outlets, wall switches, across transformer windings, etc. Your electric power system is acting like a sort of capacitive "antenna" which intercepts the feeble current coming from the sky and builds up a huge potential difference with respect to the earth. "</a> That is a quote from Bill Beatty's website.

If we accept that then we could suspend a wire of 100' or so long about 30' in the air. The wire would have to be insulated from the poles that carry it. Before long the wire would build up an electrical charge of several hundred volts in relation to the ground below. As long as the wire was not connected to ground the charge would remain.

So how to use this electrical charge to accomplish electrolysis? Well if we drive a ground stake in and connect our suspended wire to the ground stake then we have a direct conduit for the charge to drain off. We would then put our electrolysis cell into this wire so that the energy draining from our suspended wire would have to drain through the cell. Any charge that passed through the cell would produce electrolysis.

All of the charge in the wire would not drain off because the cell requires a minimum of around 2v potential difference in order for electrolysis to happen. Fortunately the cell acts like a capacitor below 2v so the charge in the wire could build back up.

SO there u have it, a simple Earth powered electrolysis cell with no moving parts. :D

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 03:59:25 AM »
^^ waste of bandwidth... "your ideas" are worthless piece of s**t... you're obviously a hoax.

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 04:34:29 AM »
hmmm not exactly debate. If you think my ideas are worthless you should be able to list your reasons for that opinion. Name calling and groundless accusations are kinda lame.

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 04:34:29 AM »
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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 04:06:12 PM »
hmmm not exactly debate. If you think my ideas are worthless you should be able to list your reasons for that opinion. Name calling and groundless accusations are kinda lame.
Wildthing has just condemned Tesla. You ideas are very similar to his radiant energy proposals.
Have a look at this:
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/tesla_energy.htm
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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2008, 04:25:41 PM »
Enki,

Your setup can indeed produce a tremendous voltage, but only a very small current.  Unfortunately, production in electrolysis is proportional to current, so you won't be making any significant amount of hydrogen this way.

Cheers,

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
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Offline enki09

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2008, 04:41:46 PM »
HI Mr. Entropy,

Yes, you are exactly right :D Current and therefore H2 production would be small. That was why I said I doubted that this had any commercial value. However it is interesting to think about and in my opinion is a good embodiment of a simple way to utilize the natural energy around us.

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2008, 07:41:56 PM »
HI Mr. Entropy,

Yes, you are exactly right :D Current and therefore H2 production would be small. That was why I said I doubted that this had any commercial value. However it is interesting to think about and in my opinion is a good embodiment of a simple way to utilize the natural energy around us.


Enki

Here is a  smilar  concept .

http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm

The problem I see with  these kinds of   things is  not lack of  power.
The  problem is  safely  controling  that power .

A   network  of wires could be set up to collect  just about any  amount of power .
The problem is  the bigger  the network  is .......the more likely  it is that it will get hit by lightning . 
I would imagine  that  a few million  volts  across  the plates of  any  electrolizer  is likely to make a pretty big  bang .


gary.   

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
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Offline enki09

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2008, 09:17:09 PM »
If you think about it the entire electrical grid is just such a system (at least in a sense). If you turned off all the generators the grid would still build and hold a charge. So all the generators are really doing is multiplying an existing charge and making it alternate....

Yes I said this probably wouldn't be valuable as a commercial system just something to think about.

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2008, 11:45:31 PM »
Enki
Your setup can indeed produce a tremendous voltage, but only a very small current.  Unfortunately, production in electrolysis is proportional to current, so you won't be making any significant amount of hydrogen this way.
Cheers,
Mr. Entropy
Didn't a Tesla's patent have an interrupter of some sort connecting through a capacitor,
creating a sort of AC, and a transformer to up the current and drop the voltage?
Paul.

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2008, 11:45:31 PM »
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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2008, 12:29:58 AM »
Damn!  The link from my abov e post no longer works.  >:(

Anyway what this univarsity guy discovered was that if you charged a piece of P-type semi-conductor with static it produced hydrogen.

So drop a peltier into some water and rub your head with a baloon while holding one of the wires!  ;D

Jokes aside:  I plan to experiment with this as soon as I find some P-type semi conductor.

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
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Offline resonanceman

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2008, 01:14:24 AM »
If you think about it the entire electrical grid is just such a system (at least in a sense). If you turned off all the generators the grid would still build and hold a charge. So all the generators are really doing is multiplying an existing charge and making it alternate....

Yes I said this probably wouldn't be valuable as a commercial system just something to think about.

What I wonder about is  how this  concept could be applied to high rise buildings .   
I would think  that  the  buildings  would tend to build a charge just like a wire .

Of course   there is bound to be an EE solution  to  this kind of  "  problem "


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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2008, 10:21:57 AM »
enki09 - thanks for posting your idea as promised.  I thought you were going to propose using an "earth battery".  Do a google - you will find it is possible to extract good current at low voltage, and drive an HHO cell very easily.  Maybe, just maybe, you will be stealing power from the grid - but if those bastards are running their electricity through your ground without your permission, I say fair game.  Or maybe you will be tapping the Telluric currents that are freely available to all. 

Note: Anyone with a name like Mr Entropy will be anti-free energy - possibly paid to waste your time and discourage real free-energy research.  Don't worry about the skeptics - you really have to question their involvement in this type of forum.  Although it's good to have real science to stop you wasting time and money on things that won't work.  But when they are just being ignorant (with emphasis on "ignore") then you don't have to listen to them.

With a high wire you can get high voltage, but low current.  You could run an electrostatic motor off that - again do a google.

Free energy is all around us - don't let the septic skeptics divert you.   

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Re: A simple hydrogen generator powered by the Earth
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2008, 04:17:55 PM »
Didn't a Tesla's patent have an interrupter of some sort connecting through a capacitor,
creating a sort of AC, and a transformer to up the current and drop the voltage?
Paul.
I was thinking of Tesla's 685957:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat685957.pdf
Paul.

 

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