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Discussion board help and admin topics => Half Baked Ideas => Topic started by: ring_theory on September 24, 2005, 01:31:06 PM
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Dood! before you try and patent that idea i suggest you look up the work done by John H.R. Searl and his magnetic motor...or email and i`ll sent the file :/
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Have you built a prototype? Can you show us a video?
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Could you post a simple explonation of how and possibly why this actually works?
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That you'r Idea of simple?
All I can see so far is a ring of magnets, in a circle and a drawing
The only slightly odd thing I can see is that one pole of the ring apears to go clockwise and the other anticlockwise, or it just acts like a whole lot of single magnets. whats that drawing of?
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Well before you post photos of your prototype we would be more interested in the Input to Ouput ratios.
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Well before you post photos of your prototype we would be more interested in the Input to Ouput ratios.
Input and output are FULLY multifarious. Depending on every aspect of the mechanism. number of poles, desired output voltage, mass of armature, desired operating rpm's, Wire guage, number of windings, desired coil length inner and outer radius, etc.
Ok, I'll be more dirrect: What is the CoP on your prototype?
For instance operating input voltage could be as low as milivolts DC with giga volts AC output in the same mechanism.
Well unfotunately that means very little to me without knowing the over all wattage... Voltage means nothing without high current in the energy market. Just about anyone can invert 12 volts dc to ac then step up the voltage to a giggavolt.
Please be more clear with your data...
~Dingus
P.S. I do hope you've invented a overunity device that you plan on sharing with us here at overunity.com, but currently you're off to a bad start: overzelous claims, no prototype, vague and incomplete data. Just my opinion, but this is starting to smell less baked then the thread name would imply...
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CoP == How efficient is your prototype? CoP means how much energy do you put in and how much energy do you get out. If for example you put 1 watt in and get out 1 watt your CoP = 1.0, and if you put 1 watt in and get 2 watts out your CoP = 2.0, AKA overunity.
I am sorry if our questions seem brash, but you must understand this concept is no where near 'fully baked' as you put it. I would recomend you continue building you prototype and get back to us with some data, then we can help you figure out the numbers. It would appear you have the ring that will generate the torque built and all you need is a large cylinder for it to turn on. A large radius section of pvc would work fine, now you would just have to start working on the stators operation.
Get back to us with more info when this project is indeed baked. If you have questions in the mean time then we can help in some cases, but we dont work well with claims without proof.
Good luck to you sir,
~Dingus
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Bell Labs back in the 50's invented a similar device, however it was used as a memory device (long before todays solid state cache) using wires through a torroidal magnet. They would run electricity through the middle of the torroid and the magnet would magnetize one way or the other depending upon which way the current ran and also had a "read" set of wires through the middle to determine the magnetic direction of the magnet. Hence 0 or 1.
These "bits" as they were known then, were the "memory core" components of the #1 ESS telephone switching computer that came out in the late 60's.
You can find them in some museums if you know what you're looking at.
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Your invention is fully baked, but does it work - or will it ever work? I have tried similar device as you have but I had much more magnets in the toroid. I used card board to separate the magnet in a way that they formed a circle - so the magnets touched each other in the inner part of the circle. I used a Cola bottle as support while setting up all the magnets. The device did not work, but the reason is that regardless of how I configured those magnets, the sum of all magnetic fields ended up in zero, hence no possibility to make any power out of it.
The origin of my idea then was when I in fact generated 100% clean CD current out of a regular toroid transformer by moving a neodum bar along the vindings. I then tried to supply the toroid with DC current and leave the magnets on a rotating rod, and the magnets start to move in circle around the toroid transformer - i short, this was a brushless DC motor without any complex power regulator.
So I tried to replace the toroid transformer with permanent magnets as described above - and that did not work. It should be the same thing as using the toroid transformer as a DC electro magnet, but no.
Br.
Vidar
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At a high rotation rate, the silicon sections will stretch due to the mass of the "ring".
High speed flywheels are made of carbon composite to keep the mass low and the strength high. the forces on the "ring" will be huge. Mass has a slight effect on the energy stored in the flywheel, but the velocity has a huge effect, so it is better to use a light, strong material and spin the hell out of it.
Here is the equation which shows how the mass and velocity relate to energy stored in the ring (wheel):
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Allows it to conserve itself? How does this arrangement allow that?
Add all the mass you want and the damn thing will blow apart. Tesla had the same problem with his turbines. Material was too weak to take the forces created by the high velocity and the discs would stretch.
Also, why make a multipole ring when you can rotate a multipole field much easier - without the shrapnel.
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If it spins around a center point, it has a center of rotation and it has a center of mass.
What you are talking about is a called a "centerless flywheel" - been around since the 70's - maybe even earlier. Howard Blake wrote a paper on them back around 1975 - used composite materials.
You might think that the magnetic field is strong enough to hold it together and maybe it is at low rpms. There are already flywheel systems with magnetic bearings that spin up to 100,000 rpm - 90% efficient - no OU. Some of these are built with magnets on the rotor, counter rotating rotors - all sort of stuff.
PS - Any conductive material within the rotating magnetic field will be heated by induction.
PS2 - You will store more energy with speed than you ever will with mass.
PS3 - You can rotate a multipole field, without the mass, without the bearings.
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I think you are pissing in the wind, but, by all means, prove me wrong.
You might look at Alan Francour's "Interference Generator", which rotates magnetic shields rather than the magnets themselves. He went on to utilized Wesley Gary's shielding technique (soft magnetic material) to build a working, self-running generator.
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ring_theory wrote;
"I may be pissing in the wind BUT i am the only one on the planet that won't get pissed on in the process."
hehehe!!! ;D I'm gonna stand way back from these fellas :o
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um.... whats with all the smile face replies, what do they mean? use words!
They mean i removed the article body that was posted there.
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um.... whats with all the smile face replies, what do they mean? use words!
They mean i removed the article body that was posted there.
Hi, I wonder why you did so?
Gyula
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Another trail of posts deleted by the poster, and another topic sinks into oblivion...
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Mankinds just not ready for it. Those that I thought was, are not.
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Redy or not its going to happin. ::)
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Moab!
Thought some giant black hole had claimed you.
(Hmm. Maybe Steven Hawking was wrong about those...)
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Mankinds just not ready for it. Those that I thought was, are not.
::) - Because we believe 9-11 was a conspiracy we're not worthy. I understand... All I know is that you publicly advocated for the genocide of the inocent Muslim people. And you say we're not ready... I just hope and pray that kind of power never falls in to your lap. You could not be trusted with it.
~Dingus Mungus
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Mankinds just not ready for it. Those that I thought was, are not.
::) - Because we believe 9-11 was a conspiracy we're not worthy. I understand... All I know is that you publicly advocated for the genocide of the inocent Muslim people. And you say we're not ready... I just hope and pray that kind of power never falls in to your lap. You could not be trusted with it.
~Dingus Mungus
Innocent muslims?!? I didn't say that! They are unrelated issues. All hope is lost then, and apparently I'm the only one at this point that can be trusted with it.
OK! What are you advocating for? The genocide of the government!!!!
Believe in ignorace whatever you want Your eyes are glued shut!
This is all i got to say about 9/11!
Many things strange and wonderful occure in nature that man can only hope to replicate consistantly. In some cases Nature seems to mimic mankinds devices. However they both play by the same rules the only difference is nature knows the rules as to where mankind doesn't. Within lies all the answers to 9/11. Anything else is bullshit and the one that believes anything else is looking for something that just isn't there. But continue your journey if you feel you must!
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Well, we have two sides.. One doesn't believe a conspiracy was at work and one does. Both care about people in general, and both can look at each side and believe what they want. I think its childish to retract your ideas based on what another person believes happened on 9/11. Can we accept that there was a conspiracy that could've taken place without the mass public being aware? Can we also concede that its possible there was no conspiracy and the official story was correct? We don't have enough evidence either way, so lets leave it at that. Look how long it took to understand the JFK conspiracy, and even today we still don't exactly know. In the end we are here to stop these tyrants by making free energy possible, and thats something we can all agree on.
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I advocate a new investigation. None of my posts suggested otherwise...
Sure, lifes and limbs are being lost but that's what the people wanted. To go after terrorism! You cannot just say i think we will go after terrorists for a year and quit, accepting that as a pound of flesh for the 9/11 attack. No we need to be in it till terrorism and the radical type of religions that breed terrorism is wiped clean of the globe.
Sounds like you're describing all of Islam to me... I have your other similar quotes to back that up...
My point was not to argue about this, but to point out the reason we're "not ready" for your "technology" has absolutely zero to do with science and 100% to do with politics. Thats weak and trite. Perhaps it is you who is not yet ready. This wasn't about 911, untill you made it about 911. It was one thread in an unrelated section of the forum. Your reaction to 30+ people demanding a new investigation was to accuse us of treason and proclaim we are "with" the terrorists and should be forced to leave the country. It's like you don't even understand the most basic principles of liberty and freedom. Now you show your true colors, removing your work and posts from the site because of a political bias. You clearly must have been here for the wrong reasons, as your actions now show.
~Dingus Mungus
I tryed my best to answer your questions and to be as helpful as I could, but that was not enough. If you feel you must leave because of your political affiliations then so be it, but don't blame the other members. It's you...
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Well, we have two sides.. One doesn't believe a conspiracy was at work and one does. Both care about people in general, and both can look at each side and believe what they want. I think its childish to retract your ideas based on what another person believes happened on 9/11. Can we accept that there was a conspiracy that could've taken place without the mass public being aware? Can we also concede that its possible there was no conspiracy and the official story was correct? We don't have enough evidence either way, so lets leave it at that. Look how long it took to understand the JFK conspiracy, and even today we still don't exactly know. In the end we are here to stop these tyrants by making free energy possible, and thats something we can all agree on.
I fully agree, but as ring will tell you:
JFK was killed by the magic bullet and anyone who disagrees should "love it or leave it".
~Dingus Mungus
I never wanted ring to leave the forums, but now that he's deleted all of his posts, I've lost all respect for him.
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I advocate a new investigation. None of my posts suggested otherwise...
Sure, lifes and limbs are being lost but that's what the people wanted. To go after terrorism! You cannot just say i think we will go after terrorists for a year and quit, accepting that as a pound of flesh for the 9/11 attack. No we need to be in it till terrorism and the radical type of religions that breed terrorism is wiped clean of the globe.
Sounds like you're describing all of Islam to me... I have your other similar quotes to back that up...
My point was not to argue about this, but to point out the reason we're "not ready" for your "technology" has absolutely zero to do with science and 100% to do with politics. Thats weak and trite. Perhaps it is you who is not yet ready. This wasn't about 911, untill you made it about 911. It was one thread in an unrelated section of the forum. Your reaction to 30+ people demanding a new investigation was to accuse us of treason and proclaim we are "with" the terrorists and should be forced to leave the country. It's like you don't even understand the most basic principles of liberty and freedom. Now you show your true colors, removing your work and posts from the site because of a political bias. You clearly must have been here for the wrong reasons, as your actions now show.
~Dingus Mungus
I tryed my best to answer your questions and to be as helpful as I could, but that was not enough. If you feel you must leave because of your political affiliations then so be it, but don't blame the other members. It's you...
It should be very clear that it is my works, my technologies, and my inventions! I will do as I please with them! Good luck with the new investigation! But i highly doubt you will like the outcome of that one either. And yet another outcry for an investigation will insue. because the outcome didn't fit YOUR theory of what happened. Much like your theory of why i pulled my posts. You shouldn't run around presenting your opinion as fact and accept the facts laid before you. I told you they were unrelated issues. ACCEPT IT! I don't owe you or anyone else an explination of why. But i know in your conspiracy driven mind it will drive you nuts. Maybe i sold the technology and am enjoying speaking to you from my new yaght! Ya know a funny thing happened the other night ALIENS abducted me and showed me mans future! I was driving home the other day and was swarmed by MIB and they twisted my finger and forced me to do it! You believe whatever you want on both issues. Given your track record I'm sure it will be way off base.
"I fully agree, but as ring will tell you:
JFK was killed by the magic bullet and anyone who disagrees should "love it or leave it"."
STFU! Your assumptions are starting to annoy me! Besides i'm a grassy knoll person! j/k
There is only three people on this planet that i want to respect me. YOUR NOT ONE OF THEM! N/K 8)
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
this is a movie all should see
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Tesla also felt that mankind was not ready for many of his devices.
JFK was popped from the storm drain.
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Tesla also felt that mankind was not ready for many of his devices.
JFK was popped from the storm drain.
I know how tesla felt.
Storm drain? I thought it was the midget in the arm rest. 8(
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Mankinds just not ready for it. Those that I thought was, are not.
Very very late response
But I would like to thank you for standing in judgement of the human race, we do appreciate your generosity ::)
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Moab!
Thought some giant black hole had claimed you.
(Hmm. Maybe Steven Hawking was wrong about those...)
Wow,
Thanks for thinking of me Grumpy. But you are right in a way. The black hole of work has sucked me in for the moment. Be back on track soon tho. :o) Moab.
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Hello, I happen to stumble on this website by accident... I have been interested in building a power unit for atleast 5 years now but before I go into it I would like to say that we already have the technology to harness energy from the Earth's magnetic field using a satelite with a tether that is crossing the magnetic field at 15,000 miles per hour and generates an enormous amount of energy and then converts it to a transmission wave that beams down to a stationary power unit on Earth which in turn reconverts the wave back into electricity. And since it is very easy to keep a satelite in a stationary position above the Earth there is no problem with it not lining up with the station. I'm just confused why we don't use the technology we have, because it's the safest form of energy we could ever have and it's not that complicated!
Anyways, I hoping anyone who is great at building things could help me with a proto type of a different kind of power device.(I don't want any money, I just wanna see it work, so the more heads the better on this project!) Mine requires a Cylintrical drum sitting upright(I'll do my best to describe it) Inside the drum resting at ~22.5% angle is a wheel that spins on a verticle axis. This wheel should be able to roll around along the inner drum wall. Remember the wheel however is at ~22.5% angle to the wall. Now exactly perpendicular to the wheel is another wheel(substantially smaller as to not touch the wall of the drum) that travels the outer rim of the larger wheel but who's axis is directly connected to the perpendicular axis of the large wheel's axis. This wheel will naturally swing to the lowest point of the larger wheel due to gravity when observed without any other forces but gravity. Now hopefully your all still with me and I haven't lost anyone. The material that the drum and the larger wheel are made of are of any non conductive nature, whether it be wood, fiberglass, plastic, whatever. ok, now we line the inner wall of the drum with a single band of magnetic material that will have it's polarization going all the same direction around the drum. The little wheel will be of magnetic material itself, but polarized to push away from the walls of the drum. Now picture this... The little wheel will stay away from the walls and basicly off set the balance of the larger wheel so that it starts to travel in one direction. Both wheels will continue to pick up speed as they continue to rotate around the drum until either friction or the force that governs gyroscopes(whichs I can't remember what that force is called)causes it to reach a terminal velocity. Now If someone can build this I would love to do some measurements so I can make the ajustments needed to allow it to not only spin fast enough but also create the right weight for the wheels to create enough torque on the larger wheel axis in order to turn a generator. If this can work, I believe we will all be able to have a shed sized power unit in our back yards to power our house, and for cities they could construct larger units to power other structures, even maybe roads like they do with bumper cars. Anyone with some input or problems with this design let me know on here. So far all the small experiments I've done over the past 3 years have been successful, just need a larger unit and strong mangentic material(which is not cheap by the way).
If someone knows the name of the gyroscopic force I'm talking about please post it here for reference. An example on what this force is(this is a fun trick), take a bicycle wheel and hold it upright like it would be on a bicycle. Put one end of the axis of the wheel on a finger and with the other hand spin the wheel as fast as you can. The wheel will remain upright as if by magic and it will exert a small force causing you to turn in place as it rapidly rotates. It's really cool and fun(I guess if your a nerd like me...lol)
For all of our sakes I hope these experiments will lead us to a real free energy device we can all use. I could just be some crazy loon too...
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Sounds to me like your attempting to develope mechanical energy using a common force of nature, gravity.
Check this out,
http://www.onegift4power.org/TedCarnes.html
You better hurry, this guy is on to something maybe similar to what you are describing without the magnet.
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@Nebularnemesis
What you should do is open a new thread. Give it a name. You will control post #1 where you will publish a more thorough build spec and keep it updated as the main resource for others. Call it a Gyro-Motive-Generator or some other name so we can refer to is easilly.
Why am I saying this? From what you have posted, here is my understanding with the quick drawing below. Probably wrong, but the point is, right now your explanation will just confuse people. Put it down in a drawing and more specs.
Be prepared for heavy debate and analysis before anyone jumps on this and starts a build. Most here have projects already and to add another will require some good reasoning way before the first cut is made.
The idea merits some study so congrats up front. A 22.5 degree slant. This will have to be explained and analyzed as I know it will.
Welcome aboard.
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I have created a new topic with my original post plus the wonderful drawing supplied by Wattsup...
It is in Mechanical Motors/sub gravity driven... Topic: Gyro-Magnetic Generator
All further replies should be directed there instead of here from now on.... thank you gentlemen for the courteous directions.
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Well, we have two sides.. One doesn't believe a conspiracy was at work and one does. Both care about people in general, and both can look at each side and believe what they want. I think its childish to retract your ideas based on what another person believes happened on 9/11. Can we accept that there was a conspiracy that could've taken place without the mass public being aware? Can we also concede that its possible there was no conspiracy and the official story was correct? We don't have enough evidence either way, so lets leave it at that. Look how long it took to understand the JFK conspiracy, and even today we still don't exactly know. In the end we are here to stop these tyrants by making free energy possible, and thats something we can all agree on.
"I think its childish to retract your ideas based on what another person believes happened on 9/11."
I agree However as i tried to explain to Dingus, They are unrelated issues.
Yes i agree that it is remotely possibility that the administration was behind it. but the probibility of it bieng as such is slim to none.
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Well if I was wrong in my assuption, then I'm sorry, but you must see why I would assume that... Seeing that you dropped out of the 911 topic and pulled your materials in the same week, if not the same day... Followed by a post about mankind not being ready for for your devices. It seemed very 2+2 to me... After all you wouldn't be setting up a sale or taking investors on a technology that you yourself said "mankind isn't ready for" right? Those were the two excuses you offered though they conflict with the original post related to the removal of your materials. You don't owe us an explanation, but again it would be silly and poinless for you to contradict yourself so blatently. You would have bragged about from the get go... So now I assume your only trying to save face after a brash decision. I especially can not believe you compaired yourself to Tesla, because you deleted your own posts. BLEHHHH! I nearly wretched from all the ego.
Good luck,
~Dingus Mungus
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Well if I was wrong in my assuption, then I'm sorry, but you must see why I would assume that... Seeing that you dropped out of the 911 topic and pulled your materials in the same week, if not the same day... Followed by a post about mankind not being ready for for your devices. It seemed very 2+2 to me... After all you wouldn't be setting up a sale or taking investors on a technology that you yourself said "mankind isn't ready for" right? Those were the two excuses you offered though they conflict with the original post related to the removal of your materials. You don't owe us an explanation, but again it would be silly and poinless for you to contradict yourself so blatently. You would have bragged about from the get go... So now I assume your only trying to save face after a brash decision. I especially can not believe you compaired yourself to Tesla, because you deleted your own posts. BLEHHHH! I nearly wretched from all the ego.
Good luck,
~Dingus Mungus
Oh mankind is ready so to speak. However I Have very real concernes about the way i have been introducing Fully baked version. I'm rather worried that someone may construct it as I did (multipart). I have enough common sense to never attempt to test a multipart prototype without seeking proper test facilities with proper safeguards in place. I can see someone doing a bench test on one of these and cut themselfs in half when it literally comes unglued. A simple warning that will likely go unheeded, isn't making me feel real secure in releasing this technology in this manner. I need to find a better way of presenting the device so it is not to reflect a multipart construction.
Via mechanical means May get reintroduced after i build a prototype and finish the animations. Electronic means well is dead in the water for now as i don't have the mula for furthur research on it i'm putting it on the back burners. However i must commend all that whole heartedly did research on it particularly Ironhead.
As for the tesla thing. your still not reading it right. I simply stated that i know how he feels. It was not a comparison! The only way i could even remotely compare to tesla is in the fact that we are both inventors with our own works. Unless your an inventor of innovative and high energy technology. that could be potentially dangerous if constructed improperly, could you even pose the question of weither or not mankind is ready. However i am in that position. EGO? Sadly that and other eccentric behaviors are common with inventors.
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Hi all !
Scince ring_theory deleted his posts, can someone please make a drawing of
the device or just a simple scetch...
igor
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Hi all !
Scince ring_theory deleted his posts, can someone please make a drawing of
the device or just a simple scetch...
igor
And what would you do with it? It is best to leave this alone. :-\
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since am new here i ve read the thread but still cant figure out why ring_theory removed his posts neither what that damn 9/11 has to do with it further more i think that we americans should stop being brainwashed dummies and also stop listening to that half assed Bush cause we re in deep shit and sinking.
scientist have always payd a heavy unjustified tribute to politics and their brothers Big Buks $, its one of the resons we re so slow at innovating new types of energy.
it is our due resposabilitiy to make them face theirs by giving power(free energy) to the people
thus Mr Big Buks $ cannot lever anyone
and progress to anyones wish
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Hi all !
Scince ring_theory deleted his posts, can someone please make a drawing of
the device or just a simple scetch...
igor
And what would you do with it? It is best to leave this alone. :-\
You just draw it, I'll decide what I'll to do whit it.
igor
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Hi all !
Scince ring_theory deleted his posts, can someone please make a drawing of
the device or just a simple scetch...
igor
And what would you do with it? It is best to leave this alone. :-\
You just draw it, I'll decide what I'll to do whit it.
igor
I did draw it. I posted it nearly 2 years ago, hell I even posted pictures of prototype #6 and descriptions. Now everyone wants to know what it was? The phrase "A day late and a dollar short" comes to mind.
"You just draw it, I'll decide what I'll to do whit it.
igor"
I cannot just have anybody deciding what to do with it. That's one of the frames of mind that brought on me pulling it. Which adds to my justification for doing it. 8)