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ring_theory

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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2006, 02:39:05 PM »
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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2007, 04:08:18 AM »
Bell Labs back in the 50's invented a similar device, however it was used as a memory device (long before todays solid state cache) using wires through a torroidal magnet.  They would run electricity through the middle of the torroid and the magnet would magnetize one way or the other depending upon which way the current ran and also had a "read" set of wires through the middle to determine the magnetic direction of the magnet.  Hence 0 or 1.

These "bits" as they were known then, were the "memory core" components of the #1 ESS telephone switching computer that came out in the late 60's.

You can find them in some museums if you know what you're looking at.

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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2007, 06:04:22 AM »
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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2007, 10:06:09 PM »
Your invention is fully baked, but does it work - or will it ever work? I have tried similar device as you have but I had much more magnets in the toroid. I used card board to separate the magnet in a way that they formed a circle - so the magnets touched each other in the inner part of the circle. I used a Cola bottle as support while setting up all the magnets. The device did not work, but the reason is that regardless of how I configured those magnets, the sum of all magnetic fields ended up in zero, hence no possibility to make any power out of it.

The origin of my idea then was when I in fact generated 100% clean CD current out of a regular toroid transformer by moving a neodum bar along the vindings. I then tried to supply the toroid with DC current and leave the magnets on a rotating rod, and the magnets start to move in circle around the toroid transformer - i short, this was a brushless DC motor without any complex power regulator.

So I tried to replace the toroid transformer with permanent magnets as described above - and that did not work. It should be the same thing as using the toroid transformer as a DC electro magnet, but no.

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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2007, 11:43:55 PM »
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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2007, 07:07:15 PM »
At a high rotation rate, the silicon sections will stretch due to the mass of the "ring". 

High speed flywheels are made of carbon composite to keep the mass low and the strength high.  the forces on the "ring" will be huge.  Mass has a slight effect on the energy stored in the flywheel, but the velocity has a huge effect, so it is better to use a light, strong material and spin the hell out of it.

Here is the equation which shows how the mass and velocity relate to energy stored in the ring (wheel):


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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2007, 05:03:57 AM »
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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2007, 03:51:16 PM »
Allows it to conserve itself?  How does this arrangement allow that?

Add all the mass you want and the damn thing will blow apart.  Tesla had the same problem with his turbines.  Material was too weak to take the forces created by the high velocity and the discs would stretch.

Also, why make a multipole ring when you can rotate a multipole field much easier - without the shrapnel.

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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2007, 07:49:07 PM »
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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2007, 11:59:19 PM »
If it spins around a center point, it has a center of rotation and it has a center of mass.

What you are talking about is a called a "centerless flywheel" - been around since the 70's - maybe even earlier.  Howard Blake wrote a paper on them back around 1975 - used composite materials.

You might think that the magnetic field is strong enough to hold it together and maybe it is at low rpms.  There are already flywheel systems with magnetic bearings that spin up to 100,000 rpm - 90% efficient - no OU.  Some of these are built with magnets on the rotor, counter rotating rotors - all sort of stuff.

PS - Any conductive material within the rotating magnetic field will be heated by induction.

PS2 - You will store more energy with speed than you ever will with mass.

PS3 - You can rotate a multipole field, without the mass, without the bearings.





 

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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2007, 01:39:35 AM »
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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2007, 05:46:58 PM »
I think you are pissing in the wind, but, by all means, prove me wrong.

You might look at Alan Francour's "Interference Generator", which rotates magnetic shields rather than the magnets themselves.  He went on to utilized Wesley Gary's shielding technique (soft magnetic material) to build a working, self-running generator.

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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2007, 01:18:06 PM »
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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2007, 02:08:04 PM »
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Re: fully baked innovation
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2007, 07:50:25 PM »
ring_theory wrote;
"I may be pissing in the wind BUT i am the only one on the planet that won't get pissed on in the process."

hehehe!!!   ;D  I'm gonna stand way back from these fellas   :o