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Author Topic: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper  (Read 14201 times)

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New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« on: September 20, 2005, 03:03:47 PM »
Hello All,

I just recently published a theory paper describing some of the new effects I have been tinkering with. It?s titled the 90 degree rule, and it is what I believe will allow us to make a working motor. Here?s the link: http://fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90. Check it out and let me know what you all think :-).

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Jason O

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New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2005, 06:52:14 PM »
Cool I like your site. I am gonna build the minato wheel as well any tips?

 sincerly sypherios

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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2005, 08:57:27 PM »
Hello,

My Recomendation would be for you to build the arm test setup so you can get a feel for the forces. The one thing I have learned from all of this research is that you need to understand what is taking place before you jump into building motors. It is the exchange forces that actually drive the motors, not just simple attraction and repulsion alone. Harnessing the 'kick' force and putting it into a usable arrangement is the best solution. I wouldn't recommend spending time on the minato wheel. So far, no one has built one that has worked and though it makes an interesting toy to play around with, building one will not teach you whats going on.

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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2005, 01:44:22 AM »
Thx JDO
I am apreciative of your input.

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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2005, 03:56:42 AM »
one thing: y?u cant use attraction for a working motor - never - why?, easy to explain, you must have the same force to leave the attraction field as you get from the attraction movement itself, but in real physics its because of friction impossible to get the same force again. thats why your shematic motor on the first image never can work - its like lifting yourself out of the swimming pool only by touching your body.
Dont get me wrong - it may took some time to write and research the things for the article, but no new things in there - all the concepts are non working - even not the minato wheel like it is on the images. (never somebody wondered why they never showed new shematic views after it worked ;)
Its only possible to build a magnetic motor with the repulsion effect - because you can shield it, you cant shield attraction!
So for everyone who will further think about concepts - if there is ANY attraction (magnets or iron - doesnt matter) the machine wont work. Or if the attraction is unmeant and not part of the basic concept - the machine will work inefficient.
Thats the hard task if shielding - because you have to handle and very fine tune the attraction to cancel the repulsion where you have to cancel it.
Iam working on a kind of minato wheel, but with shielding. It can take some time to get a rotor, but the linear tests i did seemed like the thing can work.

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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2005, 05:18:34 AM »
Jason, great observations!   However, such observations by other researchers are being and have been made for some time regarding the force coupling of magnetic fields at or near perpendicularity.  Several patents make mention of such as well as the statements of various researchers.  It is new to you, and that's great!  Perhaps you will close the loop or assist in the success of a proof of concept model!  Have you experimented much yet with a variety of PM geometries and passive switching setups? 


At any rate,  good luck in that which you choose to pursue!


Peace,


TS

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2005, 05:51:11 AM »
There has got to be a wy to use the attracting force fo a mgnet. An electromagnet fliped on above the wheel large enough will for sure spin the wheel. The proper switching and sheilding must be enabled.


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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2005, 09:00:16 AM »
There has got to be a wy to use the attracting force fo a mgnet. An electromagnet fliped on above the wheel large enough will for sure spin the wheel. The proper switching and sheilding must be enabled.


? ?  Sypherios

sorry but i dont think so - thats the reason why no overunity will work which try to use earth gravitation - because you cant shield too, i allways saw the magnetic power of magnets as a "local gravitation" with the advantage to orientate and shield (repelling force) this gravitations. - so would be great to shield the attraction in some way - but i dont think its possible without loosing the earned enery for this again

regards Benny

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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2005, 05:34:19 PM »
I made a drawing that explains what would work. The wheel is similar to minatos. The black boxes are electromags. The blue are switches with sersors that are tripped from the small blue circles. the red circles are the counter weights. The black lines are ndfeb mags. The brown the batteries. The electromags when tripped will basically fire three times to pull the wheel assisting with the gravity on the weights. I dunno how fast an electro mag can be switched on and off. any info greatly appreciated.


  sincerly sypherios


P.S. Tis was a spur of the moment drawing any question will be answered.

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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2005, 12:21:19 AM »
one thing: y?u cant use attraction for a working motor - never - why?, easy to explain, you must have the same force to leave the attraction field as you get from the attraction movement itself, but in real physics its because of friction impossible to get the same force again. thats why your shematic motor on the first image never can work - its like lifting yourself out of the swimming pool only by touching your body.
Dont get me wrong - it may took some time to write and research the things for the article, but no new things in there - all the concepts are non working - even not the minato wheel like it is on the images. (never somebody wondered why they never showed new shematic views after it worked ;)
Its only possible to build a magnetic motor with the repulsion effect - because you can shield it, you cant shield attraction!
So for everyone who will further think about concepts - if there is ANY attraction (magnets or iron - doesnt matter) the machine wont work. Or if the attraction is unmeant and not part of the basic concept - the machine will work inefficient.
Thats the hard task if shielding - because you have to handle and very fine tune the attraction to cancel the repulsion where you have to cancel it.
Iam working on a kind of minato wheel, but with shielding. It can take some time to get a rotor, but the linear tests i did seemed like the thing can work.

Benny

Hi Benny,

I very much see your concerns about the attracting fields, and if one is looking at only the north and south poles as the means of propelling the motor, then I definitely agree with you. But the point of my article was to show that it's not the attracting and repelling fields that will get the job done. It's the interaction of the two fields that releases the force that propels the motor. The reason I believe that it is necessary to use both attraction and repulsion is solely for the purpose of balancing the forces. Once the magnetic fields are balanced out, then all that will be left to propel the motor is the quantum 'kick' force that I discussed. However, in my opinion, if one simply looks at the situation from an attraction and repulsion standpoint, then I agree with you.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2005, 12:27:56 AM »
Jason, great observations!   However, such observations by other researchers are being and have been made for some time regarding the force coupling of magnetic fields at or near perpendicularity.  Several patents make mention of such as well as the statements of various researchers.  It is new to you, and that's great!  Perhaps you will close the loop or assist in the success of a proof of concept model!  Have you experimented much yet with a variety of PM geometries and passive switching setups? 


At any rate,  good luck in that which you choose to pursue!


Peace,


TS

Hi TechStuf,

I'm glad you liked my article. The beauty of all the information I'm presenting is the fact that it is not new information by any means. I have individually come across all the different pieces of information over time but I never really put together the pieces to the puzzle until now. Yes, I also noticed all the trends in various patents, which is why I made reference to them in support of my observations. The sad thing about all this is that despite the plethora of information available, no one has bothered to do the research to understand the principles and apply them. Most people I hear talking about the subject are still stuck in the mindset of using attraction and repulsion alone to accomplish the goal.

Yes, I have done a few experiments with different magnet setups, as well as the numerous simulations I have been doing. But I try to stay away from adding any electronic components to my designs. I still believe that a PMM can be built that does without the assistance of electronics.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2005, 01:58:04 AM »
Provocative thread title, I now see the point was not to introduce a new theory....but a paper to attract attention to those theories already overlooked by many.  Noble intentions, Jason.  You seem to share Sterling Allan's open source viewpoint.....may your work bear fruit.


Peace,


TS




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Re: New Magnetic Motor Theory Paper
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2005, 07:27:15 PM »
talk to Butch LaFonte lately?

 

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