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Offline kreten33

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Frenette's heater
« on: September 18, 2005, 03:15:10 PM »
Hello all,

Here is some information from my test of principle for this kind of heater. The prototype was built by my cousin. He used two empty paint buckets. The first prototype was too big to be driven by small appliances like a driller. So we decided to build smaller one. Well this smaller one was eventually driven with small three phase motor of 1,5 kW. We have tried a few different liquids, including brake oil, motor oil, cooling liquid. But the best one was transmission oil (SAE 90). This one is obviously viscous enough to provide considerable heat. It couldn't be held in hands more than a few seconds (10 or so) of operation. On the other hand, this viscosity is to big since this motor could turn the inner drum at only about 1200 revolutions per minute. And judging from results, that is to slow. The results were as follows: the heater heated 12 l of water for a five degrees Celsius in 10 minutes; as in comparison to normal resistive heater of 2 kW, which heated same amount of water (12 l) in the same time (10 min) for 20 degrees Celsius. My heater in current design is obviously inferior. Even if I manage to construct a motor which will run the heater and it self without the grid, the temperature is still to low. This is not what I expected after reading let's say what Murray in his Encyclopedia of free energy has to say about this technology (a lot of heat at low RPM, heating 16 rooms for only 30 $ a month). I expect there is some room for improvement, especially in finding the right liquid, which won't need so much energy for turning the drum.
Any suggestions? I'm definitely open to them  ;D.

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Frenette's heater
« on: September 18, 2005, 03:15:10 PM »

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2005, 10:57:57 PM »
Please, canyou post baisic drawings. Who iste Frenette ? What ist the principle ?

I do not find any basic info here in this forum.

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2005, 11:13:13 PM »
Kator01

Run a search on friction heaters and you'll have all the info you need. Good luck

Dave

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2005, 03:02:28 PM »
Kator01

Run a search on friction heaters and you'll have all the info you need. Good luck

Dave

Unfortunately not all the info, otherwise I wouldn't be asking this question. Unless you know more than I do. In that case, I would appreciate if you would be kind enough to direct me in the right direction.

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2005, 05:09:33 PM »
Hope this helps 

www.free-energy.cc/

http:/www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/freeenergy.html



MECHANICAL HEATERS


There are two classes of machines that transform a small amount of mechanical energy into a large amount of heat. The best of these purely mechanical designs are the rotating cylinder systems designed by Frenette (USA) and Perkins (USA). In these machines, one cylinder is rotated within another cylinder with about an eighth of an inch of clearance between them. The space between the cylinders is filled with a liquid such as water or oil, and it is this "working fluid" that heats up as the inner cylinder spins. Another method uses magnets mounted on a wheel to produce large eddy currents in a plate of aluminum, causing the aluminum to heat up rapidly. These magnetic heaters have been demonstrated by Muller (Canada), Adams (NZ) and Reed (USA). All of these systems can produce more heat than standard methods using the same energy input.

Below are two patents relating to this technology that you might want to look up.

PATENTS

Frenette -USP #4143639
Perkins - USP #4424797


Resources: Patents
Most of these patents can be viewed at www.delphion.com/. This is a sample of inventions that produce free energy:

Tesla: USP #685,957 (1901)
Freedman: USP #2,796,345 (1957)
Richardson: USP #4,077,001 (1978)
Frenette: USP #4,143,639 (1979)
Perkins: USP #4,424,797 (1984)
Gray: USP #4,595,975 (1986)
Meyer: USP #4,936,961 (1990)
Chambers (Xogen): USP #6,126,794 (1998).

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Offline kreten33

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2005, 05:24:15 PM »
Hope this helps?


Unfortunately it doesn't. What would really help would be exact specification (brand name or technical info) of the liquid (oil???) Frennete used (him or anybody else who succeeded in building this heater and get the right results). And in the info you provided this piece of information is missing (at least I haven't found it). Well, I assume the problem is in the liquid anyway, but I can be wrong.

Thanks for info and effort though.

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2005, 05:34:51 PM »
Actually I do have the info about the oil he used but having trouble finding it.  I'll get it off of my buddys  puter sometime today.  I e-mailed him the info awhile back so I should be able to retrieve it.  I'll try to get it to you today ;)

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2005, 06:28:46 PM »
OK  This tells what oil he used. (Close to bottom of article)  Hope this helps. (Didn't think I was ever gonna find it )  ;D

US Patent # 4,143,639
( Cl. 126/247 ~ 13 March 1979 )

Friction Heat Space Heater

Eugene Frenette

Abstract ~

A furnace or space heater is operable at low cost by a small electric motor which rotates an elongated cylindrical drum on a vertical axis, within an elongated cylindrical casing at a clearance of about one eighth of an inch in the annular chamber formed therebetween. A supply of light lubricant normally occupies the lower portion of the annular chamber but rises to fill the chamber during rotation of the drum. The casing is enclosed in a housing, having a fan chamber containing an electric motor and fan or blower. The motor shaft may rotate both the fan and the drum.

Description ~

BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

It has heretofore been proposed in U.S. Pat. # 1,650,612 to Deniston of Nov. 29, 1927 to rotate a stack of discs relative to a coaxial stack of fixed discs on a horizontal axis within a casing to generate frictional heat in hot water flowing through the lower portion of the casing. In this heating device a supply of oil is contained in the upper portion of the casing to lubricate the discs and to float on the water at a predetermined level.

In U.S. Pat. # 3,333,771 to Graham of Aug. 1, 1967, a pair of vaned rotors are each enclosed within a chamber of a casing, and mounted to rotate in a vertical plane on a horizontal axis as depicted in FIG. 7 thereof. As in the Deniston patent water flows through the device and is heated by friction.

In U.S. Pat. # 4,004,553 to Stenstrom of Jan. 25, 1977 a single disc like rotor is revolved on a horizontal axis in a vertical plane, within a casing to heat water passing through the device.

SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

Unlike the above mentioned patents wherein thin discs or vanes, in single or stack configuration, comprise the rotor, in this invention an elongated, cylindrical smooth surfaced, inner drum is the rotor. The drum is rotated in a horizontal plane on a vertical axis within an elongated cylindrical, smooth surfaced casing, or outer drum, to form an annular sealed, liquid, chamber therebetween having a clearance of about one eighth of an inch. A quart of relatively light oil is captive in the annular chamber and at rest occupies only the bottom thereof. However upon rotation of the drum, by an electric motor of about one horse power, the oil rises to fill the chamber due to the pumping action of the drum.

Thus friction heat is generated not by two metal, or other, surfaces contacting each other, but by the contact of the opposing surfaces with the oil which not only lubricates but generates heat.

A portable space heater is formed by enclosing the casing and drum in the lower chamber of a housing and drawing ambient air inwardly and around the heated outer surface of the casing for fan discharge back into the ambient atmosphere by a large diameter, eight bladed fan driven by the drum motor, or preferably by a separate motor. For use as a furnace an air blower and separate electric motor blow ambient air around the casing for discharge into a heating system.

DESCRIPTION OF A PREFERRED EMBODIMENT

FIGS. 1 and 2 illustrate one embodiment of the friction heat heater 20 of the invention which includes an upstanding, hollow, cylindrical housing 21 formed of imperforate sheet metal 22 and having legs 23 for supporting it on a floor 24 of a building. The space heater 20 is portable and in the portable embodiment illustrated in FIGS. 1 and 2 the housing 21 is of predetermined diameter of about twelve inches and of predetermined height of about thirty-two inches.

Fixed within housing 21 by suitable brackets 25 and 26 is a hollow cylindrical casing, or outer drum, 27 which is of predetermined diameter less than the diameter of the housing, such as ten inches, and is formed of aluminum sheeting 28 for efficient transfer of heat. The cylindrical side wall 29, top wall 31 and bottom wall 32 of casing 27 are imperforate to form a sealed enclosure except for the filler tube 33, which is closed by a removable threaded cap 34.

The casing 27 divides housing 21 into the lower air heating chamber 35, which it occupies and an upper fan chamber 36, there being an annular air chamber 37 formed between the cylindrical side wall 29 of the casing and the coaxial, concentric cylindrical side wall 38 of the housing 21.

Air inlet means 39 is provided in the lower portion of the housing 21 in the form of spaced apertures 41 extending around the cylindrical side wall 38 and air outlet means 42 is provided in the top 43 of the housing in the form of apertures 44. The annular air chamber 37 connects the air inlet means to the air outlet means of the fan chamber 36.

A reversible electric motor 45 is mounted in the fan chamber 36 with an eight bladed fan 46 fast on one end 47 of the motor shaft 48, each blade being of about 25?  pitch and the motor being about one horse power for rotating the shaft 48 at between 1800-3600 R.P.M.

The other end 49 of motor shaft 48 extends into the air heating chamber 35 to rotate the hollow, cylindrical drum 51 which is supported in suitable bearings 52 for rotating around the central, vertical axis of the casing 27 and housing 21.

The inner drum 51 is sealed and hollow and includes the top wall 53, bottom wall 54 and cylindrical side wall 55, the walls being of stainless steel. The exterior cylindrical surface 56 of the cylindrical side wall 55 is smooth as is the interior, cylindrical surface 57 of the aluminum of the cylindrical side wall 29 of casing 27 and the surfaces 56 and 57 are at about one eight inch clearance from each other to form a narrow, annular liquid receptacle 58 therebetween.

It should be noted that the annular liquid receptacle 58 is not a passage through which liquid to be heated is continually flowed, as in the above mentioned prior art patents. Instead it is a sealed chamber and is provided with a supply of liquid lubricant 59 such as a quart of No. 10 oil which normally rests in the horizontal space, or shallow liquid receptacle 61 between the bottom wall 54 of the drum 51 and the bottom wall 32 of the casing 27.

It has been found that the best results are obtained when the lubricant 59 is Quaker State F-L-M-A-T Fluid, Ford Motor Company Qualifications No. 2P-670306 M 2633F. Unlike prior patents, no water is in contact with the oil.

The motor 45 is connected to a thermostat 62, of any well known type by cord 63 and to a source of electricity by male plug 64 so that it is energized under the control of ambient temperature by the signals of the thermostat.

In operation the motor 45 drives the drum 51 at a substantial speed, which causes the oil 59 to rise up into the annular liqud receptacle 58 to substantially fill the same. The heat of friction between the inner drum 51 and outer drum, or casing 27 is transferred by the oil while it prevents wear on the surfaces 56 and 57 so that the exterior aluminum surface 65 of the fixed outer drum 27 becomes heated. Meanwhile the large diameter, multibladed fan 46 is drawing ambient air through the air inlet means 39, thence up through the annular air chamber 37 and past the elongated heated surface 65 for discharge through the air outlet means 42 back into the room.

As shown in FIG. 3, it is preferable to provide a separate electric motor 70, usually about 1/8 H.P. and driving an air blower 71, these being mounted in a lower air chamber 72 for driving ambient air upwardly in an annular flow path in chamber 37 from the air inlet means 73 to the air outlet means 74. Air outlet means is the intake duct 75 of a hot air heating system 76 so that the heater 20 becomes a furnace rather than a space heater, the separate electric motor 70 enables the thermostat 62 to initiate rotation of the drum until a predetermined temperature is reached in the aluminum outer drum 27, whereupon the thermostat automatically de-energizes the drum motor 45 while continuing to rotate the separate fan, or flower motor such as 70, to furnish hot air to the room or heating system 76 until the casing 27 cools to a predetermined temperature.


 


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Re: Frenette's heater patent PDF File enclosed...
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2005, 04:43:01 AM »
Here is a PDF File  with building instructions ! ;)

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2005, 12:28:57 PM »
Dave

This helps a little. I kind of forgot about this detail in patent text. When I saw it again, I remembered that I already tried to find/identify this liquid on the internet. I tried again today with the same effect. No success. Call me clumsy but ?  :-[. Can you find it? I guess SAE/API classification would be enough. By the way, I live in Slovenia, Europe and I never saw this kind of oil here (Quaker State).

Hallo

I have this "plan" and video. It doesn?t help much, except it gives some ideas on how to build it. No real specifications.

Thanks to both of you


Anyhow, I was just wondering if any of you have built this heater and what the results are. If this was to be successful, I was going to build it in to a central heating system for my house. As it is now, this won't happen, unless of course I manage (hopefully with your help) to improve it.

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2005, 02:09:59 AM »
i do not want to be a "Spielverderber",
but i had a direct telephone call with Mr. Max Johnston  and the wife from Mr.Harold Schweiss
(Keelynet,whitepages),so you trust me or repeat my action:
Frenette-a fraude !!! (in search_ and then up to jail)
 
I do not like such guys.
We all can make artificial/precision faughts,but to destruct eventual (he took" some "money) people ?

Is there not a relyable/trust-/prove-able  configuration/conception ?

There is the "ordinary" idea from Mr. Valkenburg or Mr.Jaques Bernier with a C.O.P. 4-4.5 (real !),
eventual to combinate with the Peter Rust Motor/generator-concept (when success                 C.O.P. min. doubling:but hypothesis !)

More difficult/risk; The McMurthy friction heater / +(?) Oskar Becker motor
                          Combination Oskar Becker motor/kelsey friction apparature
                          Lallemand(FR): Was zum Teutates sind ENGELER als UNITS? Viscosity ???
                     
                           

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2005, 11:26:08 AM »
i do not want to be a "Spielverderber",
but i had a direct telephone call with Mr. Max Johnston? and the wife from Mr.Harold Schweiss
(Keelynet,whitepages),so you trust me or repeat my action:
Frenette-a fraude !!! (in search_ and then up to jail)
 
I do not like such guys.
We all can make artificial/precision faughts,but to destruct eventual (he took" some "money) people ?

Is there not a relyable/trust-/prove-able? configuration/conception ?

You are not "spielverderber" don't worry, and I totally agree with you. I only wish I had this information before I begun to play with this concept. On the other hand, I would probably try it out anyway. It is simple enough concept and it works. But as far as I can tell it is far from OU. Hell, it is far from "unity". In current state it is to far from normal electrical heater. That is why I asked the question. And I found out that the oil Frennete used does not exists any more. So I will go for its substitute. Who knows, maybe it will do better, I have nothing to lose (except time). Originally I intended to use it in combination with Adams or Bedini motor. That is why this concept is so appealing to me. It transforms mechanical force in to heat, not directly electricity. And I found out that Adams motor does not have enough torque to drive this gizmo. I'm talking about old Adams motor of course, Mark motors are different story, unfortunately not known enough. That is why I study Bedini now (but I will try Adams as well, just to se what it really does).

Quote

There is the "ordinary" idea from Mr. Valkenburg or Mr.Jaques Bernier with a C.O.P. 4-4.5 (real !),
eventual to combinate with the Peter Rust Motor/generator-concept (when success? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? C.O.P. min. doubling:but hypothesis !)

More difficult/risk; The McMurthy friction heater / +(?) Oskar Becker motor
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Combination Oskar Becker motor/kelsey friction apparature
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Lallemand(FR): Was zum Teutates sind ENGELER als UNITS? Viscosity ???
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
Can you please give more information about these combinations or at least post the links (if they exists). If the concept is better I would definitely like to try it out.   

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2005, 01:58:11 PM »
lanca II

Where's the link or links to back up your FRUAD claim against Frenette ?? ???  What do Mr. Max

Johnston  and the wife from Mr.Harold Schweiss have to do with Frenette ?

Frenette-a fraude !!! (in search_ and then up to jail)  What does this statement mean??

I also noticed that you have been very busy informing the world about this fraud (Number of posts  1)  :o

We all can make artificial/precision faughts,but to destruct eventual (he took" some "money) people ?     Any Proof of this statement??  Just a link would be fine. I'll read it.


And to kreten33

"Quote"  I totally agree with you. I only wish I had this information before I begun to play with this concept.

My question is:  Agree with what? and what information?  ???

Anyway, lanca II, I'll be waiting for your reply and the links to research this fraud  ::)

Dave





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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2005, 03:53:55 PM »
lanca II

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And to kreten33

"Quote"? I totally agree with you. I only wish I had this information before I begun to play with this concept.

My question is:? Agree with what? and what information?? ???

Anyway, lanca II, I'll be waiting for your reply and the links to research this fraud? ::)

Dave






Sorry, I should be more precise in quoting. I agree with this set of statements (except for the part of taking money, for I don't know anything about it):

" I do not like such guys.
We all can make artificial/precision faughts,but to destruct eventual (he took" some "money) people ?

Is there not a relyable/trust-/prove-able? configuration/conception ?"

You have to admit that there are a lot of frauds, especially in the area of free energy and health. And there are not much information about Frennete's heater, except for patent text and "plans" from Creative Science. Which is a bit odd, considering simplicity of the concept. I'm not saying Frennete is a fraud. I hope he isn't, because I like his concept. But if he is, I would definitely like to get next best thing. That's why I asked Lanca II about the men and concepts he listed at the end of his post. My search on them came out negative. I couldn't find anything useful on them.

But I would like to repeat the question to you; have you tried Frennete's concept or anything similar? If you have, what are the results?

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Re: Frenette's heater
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2005, 04:31:03 PM »
kreten33

I was not trying to dispute you in any way.  It was the message from lanca II that made me raise

an eyebrow. :-\ . I searched all over the web on this subject and even checked the names   lanca

II mentioned and turned up nothing.  It was kind of like wasteing my time, cause I've been trying

to find all I could about  Frenette's heater for almost a year. 

And you were right when you said there wasn't much info about it. I was quite concerned also

about there not being any info on BTUs with that unit.  But  Yes I am in the process of building

the heater. 9 inch rotor,  33 inches long.  3/4 hp motor. and going to use automatic trransmission

fluid or hydrolic oil. Not trying to build anything over unity.  Just trying to stay warm   ;D

Dave

PS  Stay in touch like to know how things go with you

 

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