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Title: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: ResinRat2 on June 13, 2008, 05:28:43 PM
Anyone seen this?

From a company called Genepax:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/899388

or

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=8304856

I need to learn more about it.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: z.monkey on June 13, 2008, 07:17:20 PM
Excellente!

Leave it to the Japanese to thumb their noses at the NWO!  This is awesome!  Of course the car looks like a motorcycle with walls, but it is totally a "proof of concept".  Bye bye gasoline!  It kinda looks like the Smart Car.  Great for a runabout in a big city.  Unfortunately where I live there are Monster Trucks everywhere, this car would get squashed like a bug.  But now with a water car going into production we know this concept is going to work.  I'll just have to make a Monster Truck powered by water...

I feel like getting sushi tonight!

Viva La Japan!
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Spider on June 13, 2008, 07:30:41 PM
Yessssssssss SUSHI all the way!!!!!

Indeed the car looks like a trabant and a smart that ran into each other LOL :)

This really has to be a blow to the powers that be!

In the future, you probably hope for rain if you have to drive really far.

Greetings

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: retroworm on June 13, 2008, 07:58:54 PM
I don't quite undestand how that would ever work. They don't give any details on the build, which is always really frustrating with these kind of claims. One thing that caught my attention was that you have to actually keep adding more water in. Why would you have to do that? Supposedly it breaks up water by some chemical reaction, then runs it through fuel cell to produce electricity and not at all surprisingly, water. Heh, I mean there's your water, why do you want any more :). Maybe the chemical stuff consumes the hydrogen so you can't burn it back to water.

Second, needs air intake, for what purpose? Maybe runs on ambient heat? I don't think any chemical reaction could do that though. Maybe just for ventilation or something.

Heh, even stirling engine could run on water, provided it's either hot or cold water, as in different temperature than ambient.

Or maybe it's just another scam...
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Eden on June 13, 2008, 08:45:44 PM
Daniel Dingel invented an independent (HHO) system already in 1969.
So it is possible!!
a battery to start the HHO production on demand,
an engine running with an alternator recharging the battery...

air intake is for the combustion in the cylinders...
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 13, 2008, 09:51:14 PM
Hmm,
seems to be some kind of new fuel cell :

http://www.genepax.co.jp/mechanism/system.html

There is water split and then electrons extracted and they somehow need
only O2 from the air and water for it...
Hmm...

can somebody tell us, how the chemical formulars are for this ?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 13, 2008, 10:00:33 PM
Can somebody who can read Japanese language please translate these pictures texts ?

http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/cell.jpg

(http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/cell.jpg)

http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/stack.jpg

(http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/stack.jpg)

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: ChileanOne on June 14, 2008, 06:44:30 AM
While discussing this in other forum somebody stated that this one uses the aliminum irreversible reaction, but he did not say if he read it into the site or assumed it by the lack of information.

Not whistanding that, I am really skeptic about this, because this company would not be advertising this invention only for automotive purposes, if it works for a vehicle, it would be revolutionary for everything else.

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: ChileanOne on June 14, 2008, 06:51:30 AM
Using the Google Languaje tools, I can see that they don't really say much about their System. But I realized that they made the car only as demostartive product, and they indeed intend this to be the energy of the future.

 ã‚³ãƒƒãƒ—1杯の水が地球を支えるエネルギーに。 1 cup of water to sustain the energy of the earth.

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    * 水から電気と熱を作り出す過程で、化石燃料を一切使わず、化石燃料以外のエネルギーも使用しません。 Water and heat to produce electricity from the process, without using any fossil fuel, non-fossil fuel energy is used. すなわち、他のエネルギー源を必要としない、独立電源として、設置場所を選ばず、インフラ整備も必要としません。 In other words, other energy sources that do not require an independent power, wherever they set up the infrastructure development is required.

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Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 14, 2008, 11:21:05 AM
Here is the explanation copied from:
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080613/153276/



New Fuel Cell System 'Generates Electricity with Only Water, Air'
Jun 13, 2008 19:30
Kouji Kariatsumari, Nikkei Electronics
 

Genepax Co Ltd explained the technologies used in its new fuel cell system "Water Energy System (WES)," which uses water as a fuel and does not emit CO2.

The system can generate power just by supplying water and air to the fuel and air electrodes, respectively, the company said at the press conference, which took place June 12, 2008, at the Osaka Assembly Hall.

The basic power generation mechanism of the new system is similar to that of a normal fuel cell, which uses hydrogen as a fuel. According to Genepax, the main feature of the new system is that it uses the company's membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction.

Though the company did not reveal the details, it "succeeded in adopting a well-known process to produce hydrogen from water to the MEA," said Hirasawa Kiyoshi, the company's president. This process is allegedly similar to the mechanism that produces hydrogen by a reaction of metal hydride and water. But compared with the existing method, the new process is expected to produce hydrogen from water for longer time, the company said.

With the new process, the cell needs only water and air, eliminating the need for a hydrogen reformer and high-pressure hydrogen tank. Moreover, the MEA requires no special catalysts, and the required amount of rare metals such as platinum is almost the same as that of existing systems, Genepax said.

Unlike the direct methanol fuel cell (DMFC), which uses methanol as a fuel, the new system does not emit CO2. In addition, it is expected to have a longer life because catalyst degradation (poisoning) caused by CO does not occur on the fuel electrode side. As it has only been slightly more than a year since the company completed the prototype, it plans to collect more data on the product life.

At the conference, Genepax unveiled a fuel cell stack with a rated output of 120W and a fuel cell system with a rated output of 300W. In the demonstration, the 120W fuel cell stack was first supplied with water by using a dry-cell battery operated pump. After power was generated, it was operated as a passive system with the pump turned off.

This time, the voltage of the fuel cell stack was 25-30V. Because the stack is composed of 40 cells connected in series, it is expected that the output per cell is 3W or higher, the voltage is about 0.5-0.7V, and the current is about 6-7A. The power density is likely to be not less than 30mW/cm2 because the reaction area of the cell is 10 x 10 cm.

Meanwhile, the 300W fuel cell system is an active system, which supplies water and air with a pump. In the demonstration, Genepax powered the TV and the lighting equipment with a lead-acid battery charged by using the system. In addition, the 300W system was mounted in the luggage room of a compact electric vehicle "Reva" manufactured by Takeoka Mini Car Products Co Ltd, and the vehicle was actually driven by the system.

Genepax initially planned to develop a 500W system, but failed to procure the materials for MEA in time and ended up in making a 300W system.

For the future, the company intends to provide 1kw-class generation systems for use in electric vehicles and houses. Instead of driving electric vehicles with this system alone, the company expects to use it as a generator to charge the secondary battery used in electric vehicles.

Although the production cost is currently about ?2,000,000 (US$18,522), it can be reduced to ?500,000 or lower if Genepax succeeds in mass production. The company believes that its fuel cell system can compete with residential solar cell systems if the cost can be reduced to this level.

Pictures:



1. Prototyped vehicle


2. 120W fuel cell system


3. Internal portion of the 120W fuel cell stack


4. 300W generation system mounted in a luggage room (left)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: jeremy on June 14, 2008, 08:53:44 PM
Hi I found this website when searching around for more info on this car.  It's great that with this car you do not need a high-pressure tank.  I think the improvement has to do with the fuel cell, but the company is not giving out much info about this.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: nfeijo on June 14, 2008, 09:24:54 PM
         Which website ?
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: jeremy on June 14, 2008, 09:29:34 PM
         Which website ?

Sorry for my confusing post.  I meant that is how I found overunity.com.  If someone knows more about the electrolysis process or however they make the hydrogen molecules, please post details.  This is really revolutionary.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: powercat on June 15, 2008, 01:33:34 AM
This is looking promising

One for all the youtubers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9urNUFzAM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9urNUFzAM&feature=related)


pc


Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: ResinRat2 on June 15, 2008, 01:50:46 AM
How many times do free energy fanatics link to the same story??  :D  :D   :D  :D  :D  :D

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 16, 2008, 08:09:47 AM
the guys are busy translating the site www.genepax.com/en (http://www.genepax.co.jp/en) and preparing a public media demonstration soon in Tokyo.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: madwizard on June 16, 2008, 11:34:05 PM
yoyo!

Somebody tested this kit ?
http://www.overunity.com/hho.htm
Does it work ??  ???


Anybody seen Stan Meyer house meetings? If anybody would like to see it, or have problem finding it, I could post it on one of my websites.. I'm no expert but it seems that he really knew what he was talking about..
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 17, 2008, 03:54:19 AM
That kit is a brute-force electrolyzer, and can give around 15% gain on millage. if you make multiples cells (jars), that generates more HHO thus will get far better millage. Configuration of electrodes is of a spiral type. The guys only sells a book, which says how to build it, and you will have to find parts and make the device. Not so complicated but involving task.
This is nothing close to what stanley meyer did.

I have Stan's lectures, which can be found in youtube, but if you have more, then please post download link.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 20, 2008, 01:15:03 PM
Here is a second video with probably 2 people from the company giving some explanations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YRvqAggvss

Can somebody, who understands Japanese language please post a
summary of what they say ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Equalizer on June 21, 2008, 02:49:06 AM
Too bad the U.S.A. didn't come out with it first.

But No....!

Our Government/Politicians are too greedy.

The Japanese economy will boom with this auto release.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 21, 2008, 02:25:48 PM
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genepax
==================================

Genepax demonstrated the car in the Japanese city of Osaka on 12 June 2008. Genepax Claims that one liter (2.1 pints) of any kind of water?rain, river or sea (even tea, stated the press release)?is all that is needed to run the engine for about an hour at a speed of 80 km/h (50 mph). However, their claims that a 300 watt (0.4 horsepower) engine could drive the car (the weight of which has not been specified) at this speed and for this duration despite wind resistance / Automobile drag coefficients and other energy-draining forces warrants further investigation.

The demonstration vehicle was a Takeoka Reva[7], a small electric car weighing between 740 and 960 kg whose manufacturer claims a range of 85 km running on its standard set of batteries, which take 8 hours to charge off the mains at 100 V on a 15 A circuit.

Should Genepax validate their claims, no infrastructure would be required to recharge the car's batteries, which is not the case for electric cars. The vehicle will supposedly continue to run for as long "as you have water to top up with from time to time." [8]. As the residual product of the engine is also water, this would in principle lead to the development of a perpetual motion engine, in which the exhaust product, water, could be fed directly back into the system as fuel.

============================================

The Wiki is a bit naive,
when they claim that the device powers directly the electric car motor.

Of course they will have some buffer batteries between the water generator and the electric motor.

But when the car is not driven, e.g. during work or during night time,
it has enough time to recharge the batteries in the car via its constant 300 Watts output.

This device is really the best device since long time, when it really does not use up any electrodes
material but only water...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 21, 2008, 02:41:04 PM
Here are the first real infos:

PATENT ABSTRACTS OF JAPAN

   (11)Publication number :    2006-244714

   (43)Date of publication of application :    14.09.2006
(51)Int.Cl.    

H01M   8/02     (2006.01)
H01M   4/88     (2006.01)
H01M   4/90     (2006.01)

(21)Application number :    2005-054169    (71)Applicant :    SUEMATSU MITSURU
(22)Date of filing :    28.02.2005    (72)Inventor :    SUEMATSU MITSURU
(54) WATER ENERGY SYSTEM

(57)Abstract:
PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED: To provide a water energy system generating electric power using pure water as fuel under normal temperature.
SOLUTION: The water energy system 1 has a cell in which a fuel electrode 3 and an oxygen electrode 4 are faced with each other through a catalyst 2 same as a general fuel cell. The fuel electrode 3 is formed by carrying platinum on a sintered body of fine powder of zeolite, coral sand, and carbon black, the oxygen electrode 4 is formed by carrying ruthenium on the sintered body of fine powder of zeolite and carbon black. Electric power is generated under normal temperature by supplying pure water 5 to the fuel electrode 3 and air to the oxygen electrode 4.

Unfortunately there was only a very bad drawing scanned with it...
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 21, 2008, 02:52:51 PM
here is a drawing from their Japanese patent:

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 21, 2008, 02:57:55 PM
From:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Genepax_Co_Ltd#Company:_Genepax_Co_Ltd



On June 14, 2008, New Energy Congress member, Richard P. George, Ph.D. wrote:

I voted not top 100. Even if this works (I'm somewhat skeptical short of more proof), the product is not economic at either their current manufacturing cost ($18,522 for 300 Wp or $61.74 per Wp) or their target rate ($5,000 for 300 Wp or $16.67 per Wp). The use of water for fuel is just a curiosity because the cost is greater than that of traditional fuel cells AND their fuel costs.

I would also want to know about their stack life. Stack life is a huge problem for all fuel cells - many of which have lives measured in hours (typically 6 months to 4 years of continuous operation. For this product to achieve grid parity, it would need a 20 year stack life at 9.5 cents per KWH grid prices or 10 years at 19 cents per KWH.


Genepax response: "The stack life is not yet in data but we imagine our stack would last as long as other fuel cell stack. We have data of other fuel cell in public and it lasts 40,000 hours." Best regards, Jun Onishi
[edit]
FAQs

Recieved June 18, 2008;

"Please excuse me for my English ability.

1) About the water fueled car
We are not car manufacturer. We have invented generator (fuel cell) which produces heat and electricity from pure water. We had loaded the generator into electric vehicle sold in the market for demonstration. Information of milage is not formal data.

2) Investment / Stock exchange
We have no schedule to go public and do not accept any outside investment.

3) Distributorship
We are looking for cooperation, if possible public company, to distribute our "Water Energy System" locally.

4) Press release for Foreign Press
We will only invite media (reporters from magazines, newspaper, tv programs).<br. NO schedule for public presentation at this time.

5) More information
We are working on English version of our website and hoping to update fully by next week. FAQ is under translation and will be updated soon.<br. Still we are not going to announce the core part of our technology.

6) How can I buy one?
Genepax has no schedule to sell our technology as a product to private customer.

7) Real? Fraud?
We understand invention is always attacked by critism.
Since we cannot inform our core technology, we are announcing the factual data taken by 3rd party with public trust. Our testing will start soon and hoping to announce the performance clearly.

We are very sorry if this email did not answer your question.
We check all the emails and try our best to answer in FAQ.

Again, thank you for your precious comments and we will do our best."

Best regards,
Jun Onishi
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 22, 2008, 06:56:34 AM
Here is the generic idea given by my brother, to the video ;

"So, this is the typical component of the water cell. First when we take the cover off, the cells are stacked up like a sandwitch. Here in the middle it usually has the water tank, or the sea water tank. We cover this cell again before our test for safety. Now if we say what we are going to test here, we put water into this cell and when we do that the reaction begins inside. So we use this gadjet to measure the electric potential that is created by the cell. Then we use this small pump for the purpose of pumping the water into the cell. The pump is only for the pumping of water and it doesn't have any other purpose that this. We are now using tap water in this plastic cup and u can see that the water is being pumped in to the cell. The small pipe attached here is to let us know the right level of the water in the cell. when the water level rises to the level of this small outlet pipe, we stop the pump. Now we are having 24 V.
 
Now we showed the internal set up of the water cell and in this white container, the same internal apparatus has been fixed. We can switch on this switch on the white container and we can see the electricity is being produced by the lighting of this bulb. And with that we can operate this DVD player on the TV screen.
 
We used a similar system for cars as well. This one we showe you all can sustain the dvd playing for about 7 hours. This water level guage will let you know when you need to pour in additional water to sustain the cell electricity generation. This time we will use this coloured water for you to easily see the water replenishment. You just have to open this lid on top and pour the water in to fill it up to the original level of water and that will be sufficient for the cell to run continously."

Here is a second video with probably 2 people from the company giving some explanations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YRvqAggvss

Can somebody, who understands Japanese language please post a
summary of what they say ?

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 22, 2008, 07:54:39 AM
A bit more clear image (only a bit).
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 22, 2008, 08:03:33 AM
Detailed Description for the patent publication number JP2006-244714A (refer to the above image), as per translation provided by Japanese Patent Office. (I personally not responsible for the translation, thus not responsible of any damages caused by using this)....


QUOTE---

DETAILED DESCRIPTION [Detailed Description of the Invention]
[Field of the Invention]
[0001] This invention relates to the water energy system which can generate electricity in ordinary temperature atmosphere by using water as fuel.

[Background of the Invention]
[0002] Various kinds of fuel cells are proposed in the former. A fuel cell is a device which generates electric power using electrochemical reaction.
Although based also on the kind of material which constitutes the cell, various kinds of substances are used as fuel.
For example, an organic substance like methanol or HOARUMU aldehyde is used.
[0003] Here, in the general fuel cell, before supplying fuel to a fuel electrode directly so that hydrogen can be efficiently supplied to the fuel electrode, it is letting pass and reforming to the fuel reformer. As a system which supplies fuel to the fuel electrode of a cell directly, and oxidizes, the direct methanol type fuel cell is known, for example.

[Description of the Invention]
[Problem(s) to be Solved by the Invention]
[0004]There is a technical problem of this invention in proposing the water energy system which can generate electricity under ordinary temperature using pure water, without using fuel, such as methanol.

[Means for Solving the Problem]
[0005] In order to solve the above-mentioned technical problem, a water energy system of this invention, According to electrochemical reaction which carries out the placed opposite of a fuel electrode and the oxygen pole on both sides of an electrolyte, supplies pure water to said fuel electrode, supplies oxygen to said oxygen pole, and is generated in said fuel electrode and said oxygen pole. Make direct current power output from these poles, and platinum as said fuel electrode using what was supported to a sintered compact of zeolite, the Coral Sea sand, and particle powder of carbon black as said oxygen pole, It is characterized by using that with which a ruthenium was supported by sintered compact of zeolite and particle powder of carbon black.

[Effect of the Invention]
[0006] According to this invention person's experiment, in the water energy system by this invention, when pure water was directly supplied to the fuel electrode, oxidative degradation of the hydrogen contained there was carried out efficiently, and it was checked that power generation operation is efficiently performed under ordinary temperature. Therefore, according to this invention, the fuel cell system which can generate electricity efficiently with an easy mechanism can be realized like before, without using fuel gas, such as methanol.

[Best Mode of Carrying Out the Invention]
[0007] The embodiment of the water energy system which applied this invention to below with reference to drawings is described.
[0008] Drawing 1 is an outline lineblock diagram of the water energy system concerning this embodiment. The water energy systems 1 are water and a system which generates electricity according to the electrochemical reaction of a catalyst, and the fundamental composition of them is the same as that of the case of a general fuel cell.
[0009] As shown in a figure, the water energy system 1 sandwiches the catalyst 2, and many cells of composition of that the placed opposite of the fuel electrode 3 (anode) and the oxygen pole 4 (cathode) was carried out have structure connected to series. Only one cell is shown in the figure. The pure water 5 is directly supplied to the fuel electrode 3, and the hydrogen contained there is electrolyzed by a hydrogen ion and the minus electron according to a catalyst. Air is supplied to the oxygen pole 4 of another side from the exterior, the oxygen contained there carries out a reduction reaction to a hydrogen ion according to a catalyst, and water is generated. The generated water is circulated to the fuel electrode 3 side via an unillustrated recovery passage.
[0010] The fuel electrode 3 and the oxygen pole 4 are connected to the external load 8 via the leads 6 and 7 currently pulled out from them. The external load 8 is a motor, a lamp, etc. which are driven by a direct current. It is also possible to store the leads 6 and 7 in the rechargeable batteries 9, such as an electrical double layer capacitor, and to use them via the inverter 10 with this instead of the external load 8, as AC power supply which can supply exchange.
[0011] Here, in this example, that with which platinum was supported by the sintered compact of zeolite, the Coral Sea sand, and the particle powder of carbon black is used as the fuel electrode 3. That with which the ruthenium was supported by the sintered compact of zeolite and the particle powder of carbon black is used as the oxygen pole 4.
[0012] The power generation operation of the water energy system 1 of this composition is explained. If the pure water 5 is supplied to the fuel electrode 3, it will be electrolyzed, hydrogen and oxygen will be generated and hydrogen will be divided into a hydrogen ion and a minus electron according to electrochemical reaction. Since hydrogen emits electrons, this reaction is oxidation reaction. The produced hydrogen ion moves to the oxygen pole 4 through the catalyst 2. Although the catalyst 2 has ionic permeability, since it does not let an electron pass, a minus electron is taken out outside via the lead 6.
[0013] On the other hand, air is sent into the oxygen pole 4, the hydrogen ion to which the oxygen contained there is supplied through the catalyst 2, and the electron supplied via an external circuit carry out a reduction reaction, and water is generated. Thereby, power generation is performed.

[Brief Description of the Drawings]
[0014] [Drawing 1]It is an outline lineblock diagram of the water energy system which applied this invention.
[Description of Notations]
[0015] 1 Water energy system
2 Catalyst
3 Fuel electrode
4 Oxygen pole
5 Pure water
6 and 7 Lead
8 Load
9 Rechargeable battery
10 Inverter


--UNQUOTE
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 22, 2008, 08:09:13 AM
Amended Image supplied to the patent
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 22, 2008, 08:24:06 AM
Translation provided by Japanese Patent office for the publication number JP2007-157405A


QUOTE---

[Detailed Description of the Invention]
[Field of the Invention]
[0001] This invention relates to the power generation system which can generate electricity in ordinary temperature atmosphere by using water as fuel.

[Background of the Invention]
[0002] Various kinds of fuel cells are proposed in the former. A fuel cell is a device which generates electric power using electrochemical reaction.
Although based also on the kind of material which constitutes the cell, various kinds of substances are used as fuel.
For example, an organic substance like methanol or HOARUMU aldehyde is used.
[0003] In the general fuel cell, before supplying fuel to a fuel electrode directly so that hydrogen can be efficiently supplied to the fuel electrode (anode), it is letting pass and reforming to the fuel reformer. As a system which supplies fuel to the fuel electrode of a cell directly, and oxidizes, the direct methanol type fuel cell is known, for example.

[Description of the Invention]
[Problem(s) to be Solved by the Invention]
[0004] There is a technical problem of this invention in proposing the power generation system which can generate electricity under ordinary temperature using pure water, without using fuel, such as methanol.
[Means for Solving the Problem]
[0005] In order to solve the above-mentioned technical problem, a power generation module of this invention, Having a collecting electrode plate of a couple, and a diaphragm of at least two sheets and an electrode joint plate of at least one sheet which are laminated among these collecting electrode plates, an electrode joint plate has composition that lamination adhesion of an anode lateral electrode board and the cathode lateral electrode board was carried out on both sides of an electrolyte membrane.
[0006] An anode side surface in which a pure water supply groove is formed as for said diaphragm, A cathode side surface in which an air supply slot is formed, and a peripheral end face in which an air intake is formed, It has a pure water supply hole penetrated to a thickness direction of the diaphragm concerned in a part from which it separated from a formation area of said pure water supply groove and said air supply slot, Said air intake is open for free passage into said air supply slot via an air duct formed in an inside of said diaphragm, and said pure water supply hole is open for free passage to said pure water supply groove via a pure water passage formed in an inside of said diaphragm.
[0007] To said electrode conjugate and said collecting electrode plate. A pure water supply hole penetrated to a thickness direction in a part corresponding to each is formed in each pure water supply hole of said diaphragm, respectively, and to said anode lateral electrode board of said electrode conjugate. Said diaphragm is laminated in the state where said anode side surface confronts each other, and said diaphragm is laminated by said cathode lateral electrode board in the state where said cathode side surface confronts each other.
[0008] In a power generation module of this composition, pure water supplied to a pure water supply hole of a diaphragm from the exterior is supplied to a pure water supply groove currently formed in that anode side surface through a pure water passage inside a diaphragm. Since an anode side surface stands face to face against an anode lateral electrode board of an electrode conjugate, pure water supplied to a pure water supply groove is supplied to an anode lateral electrode board. On the other hand, air introduced from an air intake of a diaphragm peripheral end face passes along an internal air duct, and is supplied to an air supply slot currently formed in a cathode side surface. Since a cathode side surface stands face to face against a cathode lateral electrode board of an electrode conjugate, air supplied to an air supply slot is supplied to a cathode lateral electrode board. As a result, a direct current which an electrode conjugate generated and generated according to electrochemical reaction generated between an anode lateral electrode laminated on both sides of an electrolyte membrane and a cathode lateral electrode is taken out from a collecting electrode plate.
[0009] Power generation capacity can be made to increase simply, when said electrode conjugate of two or more sheets sandwiched and carries out the series connection of said diaphragm.
[0010] What is necessary is just to laminate said electrode conjugate and said diaphragm, where a frame shape gasket is pinched in order to hold between said electrode conjugate and each diaphragm to a fluid-tight state or an airtight condition. In this case, what is necessary is just to form a pure water supply hole penetrated in a part corresponding to said pure water supply hole to each frame shape gasket in a thickness direction of the frame shape gasket concerned.
[0011] What is necessary is to attach a bolting board of a couple, where these are inserted, to bind the bolting board concerned tight, and just to bind tight therefore in detail, in order to hold said electrode conjugate, said diaphragm, and said collecting electrode plate to a laminating condition. Also in this case, what is necessary is just to form a pure water feed hopper penetrated in a part corresponding to said pure water supply hole to said one bolting board in a thickness direction of the bolting board concerned.
[0012] Next, in this invention said anode lateral electrode board, It is the electrode plate with which platinum was supported by sintered compact of zeolite, the Coral Sea sand, and particle powder of carbon black, and said cathode lateral electrode board is characterized by being the electrode plate with which a ruthenium was supported by sintered compact of zeolite and particle powder of carbon black. According to this invention person's experiment, by using this electrode plate, oxidative degradation of the hydrogen contained in pure water supplied to an anode lateral electrode board was carried out efficiently, and it was checked that power generation operation is efficiently performed under ordinary temperature. Therefore, it can generate electricity efficiently with an easy mechanism like before, without using fuel gas, such as methanol.
[0013] Next, this invention is characterized by an electric organ comprising the following.
A power generation module of the above-mentioned composition.
A pure water feed zone which supplies pure water to the power generation module concerned.
An air supply part which supplies air to said power generation module.

[0014] This invention is characterized by a power generation system comprising the following.
An electric organ of the above-mentioned composition.
A battery charger in which electric power generated with the electric organ concerned is stored.
An inverter for changing into alternating current a direct current generated with said electric organ, and outputting it.
As a battery charger, rechargeable batteries, such as an electric double layer capacitor, can be used.

[Effect of the Invention]
[0015] The power generation module of this invention can obtain the power generation capacity demanded easily, when only a required number laminates and carries out the series connection of the electrode conjugate of an identical configuration, and the group of a diaphragm. It can generate electricity efficiently under ordinary temperature by supplying pure water and air.
[Best Mode of Carrying Out the Invention]
[0016] The embodiment of the power generation system which applied this invention to below with reference to drawings is described.
[0017] (Entire configuration)
Drawing 1 is an outline lineblock diagram showing the power generation system which applied this invention. The power generation system 1 of this example is provided with the following.
Electric organ 2.
While storing the direct current generated with the electric organ 2 concerned, it changes into alternating current, and it is the controller 3 in which an output is possible.

[0018] The electric organ 2 is provided with the following.
Power generation module 4.
The pure water circulatory system 5 for supplying pure water to the power generation module 4 concerned.
The fan 6 for supplying air (oxygen) to the power generation module 4.
The internal electrical power source 8 for driving the pump of the cooling fan 7 for cooling the inside of an electric organ, the fan 6 and the cooling fan 7, and the pure water circulatory system 5.
Two or more rechargeable batteries 9 with which the controller 3 consists of electric double layer capacitors etc., It has the inverter 10 for changing a direct current into alternating current, the power generation current of the electric organ 2 is charged by the each second cell 9 via the relay 11, and current is supplied to the inverter 10 via the relay 12 from the rechargeable battery 9.
[0019] The pure water supply system 5 of the electric organ 2 is provided with the following.
Circulation tank 13.
The pure water circuit 14 for circulating the pure water currently stored in this circulation tank 13 via the power generation module 4.
The circulating pump 15 for circulating pure water along this pure water circuit 14.
It has the main tank 18 which can supply pure water from the inlet 17 arranged to the electric organ case 16. If the pure water in the circulation tank 13 becomes below the specified quantity, the feed pump 19 will drive and pure water will be supplied to the circulation tank 13 from the main tank 18. It has the recovery tank 20, the recovery tank 20 concerned is covered with the pure water collected from the power generation module 4 with air, and it is discharged from here from the drain exit 21 arranged to the electric organ case 16 if needed. It is possible to return the pure water collected by the recovery tank 20 to the circulation tank 13 side by the feed pump 22.
[0020] On the other hand, the direct current generated with the power generation module 4 is outputted to the internal electrical power source 8 and the controller 3 via the rectifier 23. The start switch 24 is arranged in the power supply passage to the controller 3, if the start switch 24 is made one, electric power will be supplied to each pumps 15, 19, and 22, the fan 6, and the cooling fan 7 via the relay 25 from the internal electrical power source 8, and these drives will begin. After the power generation state of the power generation module 4 is stable, supply of the power generation current by the side of the controller 3 is started. The controller 3 stores power generation current in the rechargeable battery 9, and changes a direct current into alternating current via the inverter 10, and starts supply of alternating current to the device (not shown) of a load side connected to the output terminal 26 of the controller 3 concerned.

[0021] (Power generation module)
Drawing 2 is a perspective view showing the power generation module 4, drawing 3 is an exploded perspective view of the power generation module 4, drawing 4 is an explanatory view showing the diaphragm, and drawing 5 is an explanatory view showing the flow of pure water.
[0022] The power generation module 4 is provided with the collecting electrode plate 41 of a couple, the diaphragm 44 of two or more sheets, and the electrode joint plate 42 of two or more sheets. The electrode joint plate 42 has the composition that lamination adhesion of the anode lateral electrode board 47 and the cathode lateral electrode board 48 was carried out on both sides of the electrolyte membrane 46. The electrode joint plate 42 of two or more sheets of this composition sandwiches the diaphragm 44, and the series connection is carried out. Each electrode joint plate (not shown) located in both ends sandwiches the diaphragm 44, respectively, and is connected to each collecting electrode plate 41. The gasket 43 of rectangular frame shape is pinched between the electrode joint plate 42 and the diaphragm 44 of both sides, respectively, and it changes between these into the fluid-tight state. Below, the composition of each portion is explained in detail.
[0023] First, the anode lateral electrode board 47 of the electrode conjugate 42 is an electrode plate with which platinum was supported by the sintered compact of zeolite, the Coral Sea sand, and the particle powder of carbon black. The cathode lateral electrode board 48 of another side is an electrode plate with which the ruthenium was supported by the sintered compact of zeolite and the particle powder of carbon black.
[0024] The locating holes 41a, 42a, 43a, and 44a which penetrate and extend in the corner section of the couple of those diagonal directions in those thickness directions are formed in the bolting board 41, the electric zygote 42, each gasket 43, each diaphragm 44, and each collecting electrode plate 45. These locating holes 41a-44a let an unillustrated gage pin pass, and these are laminated by the aligned state. Two or more boltholes 41b are formed in each bolting board, and these are unified by the laminating condition by the fastening bolt 49 which it let pass to these.
[0025] The pure water feed hoppers 41c, 42c, 43c, 44c, and 45c of the couple penetrated and prolonged in those thickness directions are formed in the corner section of the couple of another side of the diagonal direction of one bolting board 41, the electric zygote 42, each gasket 43, each diaphragm 44, and each collecting electrode plate 45. For example in the outer surface of one bolting board 41, pure water is supplied via the pure water supply pipe 50 connected to the upper pure water feed hopper 41c, and is discharged via the pure water supply pipe 50 connected to the lower pure water feed hopper 41c.
[0026] Let the collecting electrode plate 45 be the shape where 45 d of tag-block portions were prolonged up in constant width from one end of the upper bed side of a rectangular body plate portion. In this example, the collecting electrode plate 45 of two sheets is a thing of identical shape, and is arranged for reverse.
[0027] Next, the composition of the diaphragm 44 is explained with reference to drawing 4 and 5. One surface is made into the anode side surface 51, and, as for the diaphragm 44, the pure water supply groove 52 of the constant depth where both ends extend in parallel inside the periphery rectangular frame portion of constant width at the constant interval which is mutually open for free passage is minced here. The surface of another side of the diaphragm 44 is made into the cathode side surface 53, and, similarly the air supply slot 54 of the constant depth formed in the shape of a grid inside the periphery rectangular frame portion of constant width is formed here.
[0028] The air intake 59 of the same number is formed in the peripheral end faces 55 thru/or 58 of the neighborhood of the diaphragm 44, respectively, and each air intake 59 is open for free passage into the air supply slot 54 via the air duct 60 currently formed in the inside of a diaphragm. Therefore, the open air is supplied to the air supply slot 54 of each diaphragm 44 via the air intake 59. The air supplied to the air supply slot 54 of the cathode side surface 53 of the diaphragm 44 by the side of a cathode is supplied to the cathode lateral electrode board 48 of the electrode conjugate 42 which stands face to face against this.
[0029] The pure water supply hole 44c of the couple currently formed in the diaphragm 44 is open for free passage to the pure water supply groove 52 via the pure water passage 61 currently formed in the inside of a diaphragm. Therefore, the pure water supplied from the pure water supply pipe 50 of the bolting board 41 flows into the pure water supply hole 44c of the diaphragm 44 through the pure water supply holes 41c, 45c, and 43c, and is supplied to the pure water supply groove 52 through the pure water passage 62 inside a diaphragm from here. Since the electrode conjugate 42 is laminated in the state of fluid-tight via the gasket 43 by the anode side surface 51 of the diaphragm 44 in which the pure water supply groove 52 is formed, The pure water supply groove 52 is in the state where it was sealed, and it is supplied to the anode lateral electrode board 47 of the electrode conjugate 42, without pure water leaking and coming out outside.
[0030] The pure water supply hole 44c currently formed in the diaphragm 44, the gasket 43, the electrode conjugate 42, and the gasket 43 of another side here as shown in drawing 5, It passes along 43c, 42c, and 43c, pure water is supplied to the pure water supply hole 44c of the diaphragm 44 of the next step, and pure water is supplied to the pure water supply groove 52 of the diaphragm 44 concerned through the internal pure water passage 61 from here. The pure water which flowed through the pure water supply groove 52 of the diaphragm 44 concerned, and fell is discharged by the pure water supply hole 44c of another side through the internal pure water passage 61, from here, returns through the pure water supply holes 43c, 42c, 43c, and 44c, and is discharged outside.
[0031] Power generation capacity can be made to increase simply in the power generation module 4 of this composition by pinching the diaphragm 44 and the gasket 43 and increasing the number of sheets of the electrode conjugate 42 by which a series connection is carried out.
[0032] The power generation module 4 of this composition generates electricity according to the electrochemical reaction of pure water and a catalyst, and is fundamentally [ as the case of a general fuel cell ] the same. That is, if pure water is supplied to the anode electrode plate 47 (fuel electrode) as shown in drawing 6, it will be electrolyzed, hydrogen and oxygen will be generated and hydrogen will be divided into a hydrogen ion and a minus electron according to electrochemical reaction. Since hydrogen emits electrons, this reaction is oxidation reaction. The produced hydrogen ion moves to the cathode lateral electrode board 48 (oxygen pole) through the electrolyte membrane 46 (catalyst) of the electrode conjugate 42. Although the electrolyte membrane 46 has ionic permeability, since it does not let an electron pass, a minus electron is taken out outside via the collecting electrode plate 45 by the side of an anode. On the other hand, air is sent into the cathode lateral electrode board 48 (oxygen pole), the hydrogen ion to which the oxygen contained there is supplied through the electrolyte membrane 46 (catalyst), and the electron supplied from the outside via the collecting electrode plate 45 carry out a reduction reaction, and water is generated. Thereby, power generation is performed. The generated water is collected by the recovery tank 20 with air (refer to drawing 1).

[Brief Description of the Drawings]
[0033]
[Drawing 1]It is an outline lineblock diagram of the power generation system which applied this invention.
[Drawing 2]It is a perspective view showing the power generation module of the power generation system of drawing 1.
[Drawing 3]It is an exploded perspective view of the power generation module of drawing 2.
[Drawing 4]It is a perspective view showing the diaphragm of drawing 3.
[Drawing 5]It is an explanatory view showing the flow of pure water.
[Drawing 6]It is an explanatory view showing a power generation principle.

[Description of Notations]
[0034]
1 Power generation system
2 Electric organ
3 Controller
4 Power generation module
5 Pure water circulatory system
6 Fan
7 Cooling fan
8 Internal electrical power source
9 Rechargeable battery
10 Inverter
11, 12, and 25 Relay
13 Circulation tank
14 Circuit
15, 19, and 22 Pump
16 Case
17 Inlet
18 Main tank
20 Recovery tank
21 Outlet
24 Start switch
26 The output terminal of alternating current
41 Bolting board
42 Electrode conjugate
43 Gasket
44 Diaphragm
45 Collecting electrode plate
46 Electrolyte membrane
47 Anode lateral electrode board
48 Cathode lateral electrode board
49 Fastening bolt
50 Pure water supply pipe
41a - 45a locating hole
41c-45c Pure water supply hole
51 Anode side surface
52 Pure water supply groove
53 Cathode side surface
54 Air supply slot
55-58 Peripheral end face
59 Air incorporation mouth
60 Air duct
61 Pure water passage


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Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 22, 2008, 08:33:57 AM
I am posting here the translation provided by Japanese patent office for the patent JP2005-281847A, which belongs to the same inventor, and titled same (Water Energy System)


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[Detailed Description of the Invention]
[Field of the Invention]
[0001]
This invention relates to the water electrolysis gas energy device which obtains combustion energy using hydrogen and oxygen which are produced by electrolyzing water.
[Background of the Invention]
[0002]
Conventionally, ** of the statement is known by JP,6-270140,A as this kind of art, for example. The electrolysis machine 101 which the device indicated in this gazette electrolyzes water as shown in drawing 4, and generates oxyhydrogen gas, The defoaming machine 103 of oxyhydrogen gas connected to this electrolysis machine 101 via the condensator 102, The tank 108 connected with said defoaming machine 103 in parallel with the enrichment machine 107 of oxyhydrogen gas connected to this defoaming machine 103, and this enrichment machine 107, The burner 110 connected with each of said enrichment machine 107 and said tank 108, It consists of the dry seals 112 and 112a with a check valve respectively provided between said enrichment machine 107, this burner 110, and said tank 108 and this burner 110, and the control block 113 which controls or supervises the electrolytic current of said electrolysis machine 101, a pressure, and temperature.
[0003]
Since this conventional water electrolysis gas plant formed the defoaming machine 103 between said electrolysis machine 101, the enrichment machine 107, and the tank 108, Since the bubble of the electrolysis solution accompanied to oxyhydrogen gas was removed efficiently and the safety valve 104 was formed in said defoaming machine 103, it enables it to hold the operation stability of the electrolysis machine 101 at the time of the pressure buildup of the foam-containing oxyhydrogen gas emitted. Since the gas valves 111 and 111a which branched in parallel with the tank 108 and the enrichment machine 107 from said defoaming machine 103, and became independent to the burner 110 at Mr. connection and the branching interconnecting tubes 118 and 118a were attached, The mixed amount of the oxyhydrogen gas of enrichment machine 107 and tank 108 empty is adjusted free, and it enables it to acquire the gas flame of the temperature of the request according to the flame processing of various materials.
[0004]
In said enrichment machine 107, since the jet hole of an inner lift and the outlet of the outer tub were provided exactly the other way around, mixed enrichment gas dries remarkably and, for this reason, the attachment of a gas oven can be excluded.
[0005]
And while unifying the dry seals 112 and 112a and said check valve of said burner 110 and simplifying the composition of a device, Since this dry seal with a check valve was provided between said burner 110, said enrichment machine 107, and said tank 108, a flame can be intercepted and a blast can be eliminated. And making a water layer placed between said enrichment machine 107 and said tank 108 and an interval can keep safety remarkable to the prevention from a backfire.
[Problem(s) to be Solved by the Invention]
[0006]
However, the above-mentioned conventional water electrolysis gas plant was what must take the high gas pressure of the oxyhydrogen gas to generate, in order for the gas has an enrichment machine, a tank, and a double tub and emitted [ these double tubs ] besides a defoaming machine to pass smoothly. Therefore, the device was enlarged, and simple usage could not be done as a result, but there was a fault that it could not be used only at welding, others, and a comparatively large-sized place.
[0007]
This invention will provide the water electrolysis gas energy device which raised the use which can use a device as a small and simple thing in view of the fault on the above-mentioned conventional technology. That is, this invention will use [ which obtains fuel gas (mixture of hydrogen and oxygen) and replaces this with propane by electrolysis of an alkaline aqueous solution ] it as gas energy.
[Means for Solving the Problem]
[0008]
In a water electrolysis gas energy device of a statement, this application claim book 1 comprises:
An electrolytic device which poured in a caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution of prescribed concentration as electrolytic water.
Two or more electrodes which are arranged in a predetermined gap at the electrolytic device, and have a gas port for gas passing in the upper part.
A spacer which is arranged inter-electrode [ these / two or more ], and forms a predetermined electrolysis field in each inter-electrode one.
An electric control circuit which impresses predetermined voltage current to said two or more electrodes.
A condensator which cools production gas drawn from the gas port 2 of two or more of said electrodes.
A defoaming machine which has arranged a ceramic catalyst which removes the shape of a bubble intermingled in production gas cooled inside.
A solution mixer which mixes gas from this defoaming machine to water and a predetermined bulking agent.

[Best Mode of Carrying Out the Invention]
[0009]
As an alkaline aqueous solution, a caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution is used for this invention as electrolytic water 10%, it electrolyzes this using 100V commercial power, and the oxygen water matter mixed gas emitted with a predetermined defoaming machine. By taking out only gas constituents and passing further the bulking agent which consists this of water and gasoline, it is generated under low pressure and the gas energy which replaces with fuel, such as usual propane, and can be equal to use is acquired.
[Example]
[0010]
One example of the water electrolysis gas energy device concerning this invention is described in detail based on a drawing. Drawing 1 is the whole example device perspective view showing the example of the water electrolysis gas energy device.
[0011]
In drawing 1, an electrolytic device and 2 1 a condensator and 3, It is a solution mixer with which the solution inlet where a safety valve and 4 pour a defoaming machine into the defoaming machine 4, and 5 pours a solution into it, and 6 mix an electrical connection gauge, and 7 mixes water and a bulking agent, and has the content volume of 3.78 l. as the content volume. The drain mouth of solution and 12 are electrolysis solution water-refilling mouths the ceramic catalyst which the inlet where 8 pours in the water or a bulking agent, and 9 have been arranged at the gas valve, and has been arranged in said defoaming machine 4 10, and 11.
[0012]
In this example, using a 10% caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution as an electrolysis solution poured into said electrolytic device 1, the same 10% caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution is poured in also into said defoaming machine 4, and this is used as a defoaming solution. And if the electrolysis solution poured in from said electrolysis solution water-refilling mouth 12 is filled to predetermined water level in the electrolytic device 1, from the liquid port 14 established in this electrolytic device 1, it will pass along the pipe 15 and this electrolysis solution will be filled also in said defoaming machine 4. The electrolysis solution led in this defoaming machine 4 is filled to predetermined water level within the defoaming machine 4, and the oxygen water matter gas emitted from said electrolytic device 1 in this state is drawn.
[0013]
He is trying to pour into said solution mixer 7 the mixer liquid which comprised a ratio of the gasoline 0.2l (liter) as a bulking agent to the water 0.75l (liter). And the oxygen water matter mixed gas drawn from the gas exhaust 13 of said electrolytic device 1, After being cooled, pass along said condensator 2, and it is led to said defoaming machine 4, and in this defoaming machine 4. Further, defoaming is carried out via the ceramic catalyst 10 provided in the inside, this oxygen water matter mixed gas by which defoaming was carried out is led to said solution mixer 7 after that, it sends to gas range 16 grade, it is burned [ the gas mass flow from this mixer 7 is adjusted with said gas valve 9, ], and it uses as gas energy.
[0014]
In this example, first, in order to obtain oxygen water matter mixed gas, specified quantity pouring of the caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution is carried out 10%, the direct current voltage of 5-20A is obtained to said electrolytic device 1, this is impressed to the electrode of this electrolytic device 1, and oxygen water matter mixed gas is obtained from 100V commercial power to it at this.
[0015]
The outline of said electrolytic device 1 is shown in drawing 2. Drawing 2 (a) shows the outline of this electrolytic device 1, it is shown that electrode 20 1 made from stainless steel, 20 2, 20 3, and ... are arranged by the predetermined interval, and the figure (b) shows the top view and elevational view of an electrode showing the shape structure of the one-sheet electrode 20 of one sheet. the figure (c) -- each electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, and --- it is a sectional view showing forming electrolysis field 25 1, 25 2, 25 3, and ... with the packing 21 arranged in between.
[0016]
Namely, as for the electrode plate 20, as shown in the drawing 2 (b), one side has the shape of a square (195 mm x 195 mm), a stainless plate about 1 mm thick -- on the way -- alike -- each electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, and ... since the packing 21 arranged with a predetermined gap in between does not shift, it has a gap of gently-sloping concave shape in the center for the intensity of electrode plate 20 the very thing. And loading slot 22 1 in which the joint bolt (outside of a graphic display) made to energize in order that it may impress the voltage of an anode or a negative electrode, while each electrode plate 20 makes a prescribed position arrange each electrode plate is inserted, The opening of 22 2, 22 3, and the 22 4 is carried out to the four corners of each of said electrode plate 20.
[0017]
For this reason, each electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, field 25 1 that is ..., and was divided and constituted, 25 2, 25 3, and ---, When an electrolysis solution is filled, this field 25 1, 25 2, A cell is formed in 25 3 and ..., and if voltage predetermined to electrode 20 1 arranged at both sides, 20 2, 20 3, and --- makes it impress, gaseous oxygen or gaseous hydrogen will occur in the field concerned.
[0018]
When each electrode 20 has been arranged in the prescribed position and predetermined voltage is impressed to each electrode plate 20 inter-electrode, The opening of the gas port 23 which condenses and leads each 25 1 in a field, 25 2, 25 3, and the oxygen water matter mixed gas emitted from the electrolysis solution of ... to a determined direction is carried out to the upper position of the center of each electrode plate 20. this gas port 23 -- each electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, and ... oxygen gas emitted in between and hydrogen gas condense, and it is led to said defoaming machine 4 from the gas exhaust 13 of said electrolytic device 1 as oxygen water matter mixed gas in end.
[0019]
Next, the electric control of the water electrolysis gas energy device used for this example is explained. Drawing 3 is a schematic diagram of the electric control circuit of the water electrolysis gas energy device concerning this example.
[0020]
In drawing 3, 30 is a power supply and commercial 100V power supply is used in this example. 31 is a thyristor which rectifies this commercial power, and that output is supplied to the electrode 20 in said electrolytic device 1.
[0021]
In said electrolytic device 1 and said defoaming machine 4, and the mixer 7. Each the output from each sensor apparatus 32 which the sensor apparatus 32 which induces an internal pressure and temperature was formed, and was formed in said these electrolytic devices 1, said defoaming machine 4, and the mixer 7, While being sent to the pressure monitor means 33 and the temperature monitoring means 34 and displaying the pressure and temperature in each of these devices by the indicator 35 in these pressure monitor means 33 and temperature monitoring means 34, it is monitored continuously whether those pressures and temperature exceed a predetermined value. And if the pressure and temperature of each device exceed a predetermined preset value, they will send this to the alarm equipment 36, and they will emit a predetermined alarm.
[0022]
Namely, if it has an automatic input switch (outside of a graphic display) which protects the electric apparatus concerned from excess voltage and a short circuit (short) to said power supply 30 and switch one of the power supply 30 is carried out, while a starter will drive, While electric power is supplied for the fan (outside of a graphic display) formed in each part to the surroundings and a control power bridge (outside of a graphic display), the electric power indicator (outside of a graphic display) of the indicator 35 lights up.
[0023]
The control unit (outside of a graphic display) which controls the deployed angle of said thyristor 31 to said power supply 30, It has a control unit (outside of a graphic display) which controls the temperature of said electrolytic device 1, and the pressure of oxygen water matter mixed gas generated, It is constituted so that the voltage concerning the deployed angle of said thyristor 31, i.e., each electrode 20 1 of said electrolytic device 1, 20 2, 20 3, and ... may be controlled.
[0024]
And if the voltage in sync with the voltage concerning said control power bridge is impressed, Electrode 20 1, 20 3 which were connected to said thyristor 31, It charges until it reaches the operating potential of the transistor which generates ... and the positive pulse which takes 20 6 for ... 20 4 20 2 20 5, The positive charge which hits at the half year of said synchronous voltage will be impressed to an anode, and one of said thyristors 31 will be in an ON state, Voltage is impressed to electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, and ..., each electrode 20 1, 20 3, and 20 5 ... and 20 2, 20 4, and 20 6 ... field 25 1 constituted in between, 25 2, 25 3, and ... oxygen gas or hydrogen gas is generated inside, respectively.
[0025]
Opposite polar voltage in the next half year of synchronous voltage And each electrode 20 1, 20 5 20 3 ... and 20 2, 20 4, It is impressed by ... 20 6 and similarly Each electrode 20 1, 20 3 and 20 5 ... and field 25 1 which comprises ... 20 6 20 4 20 2, 25 2, 25 3, and ... hydrogen gas and oxygen gas are generated inside, respectively.
[0026]
In said electrolytic device 1, to a continuous monitoring state, temperature and a pressure supply electric power at said thyristor 31, when the temperature and the pressure in he and the electrolytic device 1 are below a preset value, and they suspend in it supply of the voltage on which they will be impressed to said thyristor 31 if said temperature and a pressure become beyond a preset value. thus, the oxygen gas and hydrogen gas which are generated one by one -- each field 25 1, 25 2, 25 3, and ... it is accumulated above [ inner ], it passes along the gas port 23 provided above said electrode 20, and is led to said defoaming machine 4.
[0027]
Thus, in this example, the oxygen gas and hydrogen gas which state the oxygen water matter mixed gas generated to the basis of the following generation conditions below are generated.
1) In the maximum current 5A at the time of commercial power 100V250Hz - the power consumption of 20A above, the generation ratio of the oxygen water matter mixed gas emitted becomes the following.
3) Less than 0.15 l/Hr of less than 0.6 l/Hr of amounts-of-consumption (amount of electrolysis) 5 hydrocarbon content fluid (gasoline) amounts of consumption of 0.2-1.12/of mixture production quantity Hr4 water of hydrogen and oxygen
[0028]
The sizes of the electrolytic device 1 in this example and the mixer 7 are as follows.
6) In the electrolytic device cistern of the capacity of the electrolytic device cistern capacity 10.0l. above, 8.1l. of solution of 10% of caustic alkali of sodium was poured out, and the cistern was filled.
7) The mixer 7 of the capacity of the solution mixer capacity 3.78l. above was filled with the mixer liquid 0.95l which consists of the water 0.75l+ gasoline 0.2l, and the cistern of the mixer 7 was filled. On the above-mentioned conditions, when continuous operation is performed for 8 hours, 4.8l. of electrolysis solutions are consumed and the yield based on the formula 1 in the oxygen water matter mixed gas generated in the meantime is obtained.
[0029]
ID=000003


[Effect of the Invention]
[0030]
According to this invention, a certain commercial power can be used close, oxygen water matter mixed gas can be obtained very simple, and it is [ when ] effective in the ability to use it anywhere as fuel gas replaced with propane. And since this fuel gas is obtained by electrolysis decomposition, it can obtain an alkaline aqueous solution to pollution-free and low cost.
[0031]
Since the enrichment machine which this kind of device needed is not needed conventionally according to the water electrolysis gas energy device concerning the invention in this application and it can be considered as that part and a small and lightweight device, if there is even electric power, even if it faces movement, it can be considered as a very useful gas energy device.
[0032]
Since the miniaturization of the part and concave S value can be attained since it compares with a device conventionally and enabled it to work with low pressure, and it can work with low pressure, it can be considered as the device which is equal to continuation generating, and has the extremely outstanding effect that a maintenance and others can be performed minor.
[Example]
One example of the water electrolysis gas energy device concerning this invention is described in detail based on a drawing. Drawing 1 is the whole example device perspective view showing the example of the water electrolysis gas energy device.
[0011]
In drawing 1, an electrolytic device and 2 1 a condensator and 3, It is a solution mixer with which the solution inlet where a safety valve and 4 pour a defoaming machine into the defoaming machine 4, and 5 pours a solution into it, and 6 mix an electrical connection gauge, and 7 mixes water and a bulking agent, and has the content volume of 3.78 l. as the content volume. The drain mouth of solution and 12 are electrolysis solution water-refilling mouths the ceramic catalyst which the inlet where 8 pours in the water or a bulking agent, and 9 have been arranged at the gas valve, and has been arranged in said defoaming machine 4 10, and 11.
[0012]
In this example, using a 10% caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution as an electrolysis solution poured into said electrolytic device 1, the same 10% caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution is poured in also into said defoaming machine 4, and this is used as a defoaming solution. And if the electrolysis solution poured in from said electrolysis solution water-refilling mouth 12 is filled to predetermined water level in the electrolytic device 1, from the liquid port 14 established in this electrolytic device 1, it will pass along the pipe 15 and this electrolysis solution will be filled also in said defoaming machine 4. The electrolysis solution led in this defoaming machine 4 is filled to predetermined water level within the defoaming machine 4, and the oxygen water matter gas emitted from said electrolytic device 1 in this state is drawn.
[0013]
He is trying to pour into said solution mixer 7 the mixer liquid which comprised a ratio of the gasoline 0.2l (liter) as a bulking agent to the water 0.75l (liter). And the oxygen water matter mixed gas drawn from the gas exhaust 13 of said electrolytic device 1, After being cooled, pass along said condensator 2, and it is led to said defoaming machine 4, and in this defoaming machine 4. Further, defoaming is carried out via the ceramic catalyst 10 provided in the inside, this oxygen water matter mixed gas by which defoaming was carried out is led to said solution mixer 7 after that, it sends to gas range 16 grade, it is burned [ the gas mass flow from this mixer 7 is adjusted with said gas valve 9, ], and it uses as gas energy.
[0014]
In this example, first, in order to obtain oxygen water matter mixed gas, specified quantity pouring of the caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution is carried out 10%, the direct current voltage of 5-20A is obtained to said electrolytic device 1, this is impressed to the electrode of this electrolytic device 1, and oxygen water matter mixed gas is obtained from 100V commercial power to it at this.
[0015]
The outline of said electrolytic device 1 is shown in drawing 2. Drawing 2 (a) shows the outline of this electrolytic device 1, it is shown that electrode 20 1 made from stainless steel, 20 2, 20 3, and ... are arranged by the predetermined interval, and the figure (b) shows the top view and elevational view of an electrode showing the shape structure of the one-sheet electrode 20 of one sheet. the figure (c) -- each electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, and --- it is a sectional view showing forming electrolysis field 25 1, 25 2, 25 3, and ... with the packing 21 arranged in between.
[0016]
Namely, as for the electrode plate 20, as shown in the drawing 2 (b), one side has the shape of a square (195 mm x 195 mm), a stainless plate about 1 mm thick -- on the way -- alike -- each electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, and ... since the packing 21 arranged with a predetermined gap in between does not shift, it has a gap of gently-sloping concave shape in the center for the intensity of electrode plate 20 the very thing. And loading slot 22 1 in which the joint bolt (outside of a graphic display) made to energize in order that it may impress the voltage of an anode or a negative electrode, while each electrode plate 20 makes a prescribed position arrange each electrode plate is inserted, The opening of 22 2, 22 3, and the 22 4 is carried out to the four corners of each of said electrode plate 20.
[0017]
For this reason, each electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, field 25 1 that is ..., and was divided and constituted, 25 2, 25 3, and ---, When an electrolysis solution is filled, this field 25 1, 25 2, A cell is formed in 25 3 and ..., and if voltage predetermined to electrode 20 1 arranged at both sides, 20 2, 20 3, and --- makes it impress, gaseous oxygen or gaseous hydrogen will occur in the field concerned.
[0018]
When each electrode 20 has been arranged in the prescribed position and predetermined voltage is impressed to each electrode plate 20 inter-electrode, The opening of the gas port 23 which condenses and leads each 25 1 in a field, 25 2, 25 3, and the oxygen water matter mixed gas emitted from the electrolysis solution of ... to a determined direction is carried out to the upper position of the center of each electrode plate 20. this gas port 23 -- each electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, and ... oxygen gas emitted in between and hydrogen gas condense, and it is led to said defoaming machine 4 from the gas exhaust 13 of said electrolytic device 1 as oxygen water matter mixed gas in end.
[0019]
Next, the electric control of the water electrolysis gas energy device used for this example is explained. Drawing 3 is a schematic diagram of the electric control circuit of the water electrolysis gas energy device concerning this example.
[0020]
In drawing 3, 30 is a power supply and commercial 100V power supply is used in this example. 31 is a thyristor which rectifies this commercial power, and that output is supplied to the electrode 20 in said electrolytic device 1.
[0021]
In said electrolytic device 1 and said defoaming machine 4, and the mixer 7. Each the output from each sensor apparatus 32 which the sensor apparatus 32 which induces an internal pressure and temperature was formed, and was formed in said these electrolytic devices 1, said defoaming machine 4, and the mixer 7, While being sent to the pressure monitor means 33 and the temperature monitoring means 34 and displaying the pressure and temperature in each of these devices by the indicator 35 in these pressure monitor means 33 and temperature monitoring means 34, it is monitored continuously whether those pressures and temperature exceed a predetermined value. And if the pressure and temperature of each device exceed a predetermined preset value, they will send this to the alarm equipment 36, and they will emit a predetermined alarm.
[0022]
Namely, if it has an automatic input switch (outside of a graphic display) which protects the electric apparatus concerned from excess voltage and a short circuit (short) to said power supply 30 and switch one of the power supply 30 is carried out, while a starter will drive, While electric power is supplied for the fan (outside of a graphic display) formed in each part to the surroundings and a control power bridge (outside of a graphic display), the electric power indicator (outside of a graphic display) of the indicator 35 lights up.
[0023]
The control unit (outside of a graphic display) which controls the deployed angle of said thyristor 31 to said power supply 30, It has a control unit (outside of a graphic display) which controls the temperature of said electrolytic device 1, and the pressure of oxygen water matter mixed gas generated, It is constituted so that the voltage concerning the deployed angle of said thyristor 31, i.e., each electrode 20 1 of said electrolytic device 1, 20 2, 20 3, and ... may be controlled.
[0024]
And if the voltage in sync with the voltage concerning said control power bridge is impressed, Electrode 20 1, 20 3 which were connected to said thyristor 31, It charges until it reaches the operating potential of the transistor which generates ... and the positive pulse which takes 20 6 for ... 20 4 20 2 20 5, The positive charge which hits at the half year of said synchronous voltage will be impressed to an anode, and one of said thyristors 31 will be in an ON state, Voltage is impressed to electrode 20 1, 20 2, 20 3, and ..., each electrode 20 1, 20 3, and 20 5 ... and 20 2, 20 4, and 20 6 ... field 25 1 constituted in between, 25 2, 25 3, and ... oxygen gas or hydrogen gas is generated inside, respectively.
[0025]
Opposite polar voltage in the next half year of synchronous voltage And each electrode 20 1, 20 5 20 3 ... and 20 2, 20 4, It is impressed by ... 20 6 and similarly Each electrode 20 1, 20 3 and 20 5 ... and field 25 1 which comprises ... 20 6 20 4 20 2, 25 2, 25 3, and ... hydrogen gas and oxygen gas are generated inside, respectively.
[0026]
In said electrolytic device 1, to a continuous monitoring state, temperature and a pressure supply electric power at said thyristor 31, when the temperature and the pressure in he and the electrolytic device 1 are below a preset value, and they suspend in it supply of the voltage on which they will be impressed to said thyristor 31 if said temperature and a pressure become beyond a preset value. thus, the oxygen gas and hydrogen gas which are generated one by one -- each field 25 1, 25 2, 25 3, and ... it is accumulated above [ inner ], it passes along the gas port 23 provided above said electrode 20, and is led to said defoaming machine 4.
[0027]
Thus, in this example, the oxygen gas and hydrogen gas which state the oxygen water matter mixed gas generated to the basis of the following generation conditions below are generated.
1) In the maximum current 5A at the time of commercial power 100V250Hz - the power consumption of 20A above, the generation ratio of the oxygen water matter mixed gas emitted becomes the following.
3) Less than 0.15 l/Hr of less than 0.6 l/Hr of amounts-of-consumption (amount of electrolysis) 5 hydrocarbon content fluid (gasoline) amounts of consumption of 0.2-1.12/of mixture production quantity Hr4 water of hydrogen and oxygen
[0028]
The sizes of the electrolytic device 1 in this example and the mixer 7 are as follows.
6) In the electrolytic device cistern of the capacity of the electrolytic device cistern capacity 10.0l. above, 8.1l. of solution of 10% of caustic alkali of sodium was poured out, and the cistern was filled.
7) The mixer 7 of the capacity of the solution mixer capacity 3.78l. above was filled with the mixer liquid 0.95l which consists of the water 0.75l+ gasoline 0.2l, and the cistern of the mixer 7 was filled. On the above-mentioned conditions, when continuous operation is performed for 8 hours, 4.8l. of electrolysis solutions are consumed and the yield based on the formula 1 in the oxygen water matter mixed gas generated in the meantime is obtained.
[0029]
ID=000004


ID=000005


[Field of the Invention]
This invention relates to the water electrolysis gas energy device which obtains combustion energy using hydrogen and oxygen which are produced by electrolyzing water.
[Background of the Invention]
Conventionally, ** of the statement is known by JP,6-270140,A as this kind of art, for example. The electrolysis machine 101 which the device indicated in this gazette electrolyzes water as shown in drawing 4, and generates oxyhydrogen gas, The defoaming machine 103 of oxyhydrogen gas connected to this electrolysis machine 101 via the condensator 102, The tank 108 connected with said defoaming machine 103 in parallel with the enrichment machine 107 of oxyhydrogen gas connected to this defoaming machine 103, and this enrichment machine 107, The burner 110 connected with each of said enrichment machine 107 and said tank 108, It consists of the dry seals 112 and 112a with a check valve respectively provided between said enrichment machine 107, this burner 110, and said tank 108 and this burner 110, and the control block 113 which controls or supervises the electrolytic current of said electrolysis machine 101, a pressure, and temperature.
[0003]
Since this conventional water electrolysis gas plant formed the defoaming machine 103 between said electrolysis machine 101, the enrichment machine 107, and the tank 108, Since the bubble of the electrolysis solution accompanied to oxyhydrogen gas was removed efficiently and the safety valve 104 was formed in said defoaming machine 103, it enables it to hold the operation stability of the electrolysis machine 101 at the time of the pressure buildup of the foam-containing oxyhydrogen gas emitted. Since the gas valves 111 and 111a which branched in parallel with the tank 108 and the enrichment machine 107 from said defoaming machine 103, and became independent to the burner 110 at Mr. connection and the branching interconnecting tubes 118 and 118a were attached, The mixed amount of the oxyhydrogen gas of enrichment machine 107 and tank 108 empty is adjusted free, and it enables it to acquire the gas flame of the temperature of the request according to the flame processing of various materials.
[0004]
In said enrichment machine 107, since the jet hole of an inner lift and the outlet of the outer tub were provided exactly the other way around, mixed enrichment gas dries remarkably and, for this reason, the attachment of a gas oven can be excluded.
[0005]
And while unifying the dry seals 112 and 112a and said check valve of said burner 110 and simplifying the composition of a device, Since this dry seal with a check valve was provided between said burner 110, said enrichment machine 107, and said tank 108, a flame can be intercepted and a blast can be eliminated. And making a water layer placed between said enrichment machine 107 and said tank 108 and an interval can keep safety remarkable to the prevention from a backfire.
[Effect of the Invention]
According to this invention, a certain commercial power can be used close, oxygen water matter mixed gas can be obtained very simple, and it is [ when ] effective in the ability to use it anywhere as fuel gas replaced with propane. And since this fuel gas is obtained by electrolysis decomposition, it can obtain an alkaline aqueous solution to pollution-free and low cost.
[0031]
Since the enrichment machine which this kind of device needed is not needed conventionally according to the water electrolysis gas energy device concerning the invention in this application and it can be considered as that part and a small and lightweight device, if there is even electric power, even if it faces movement, it can be considered as a very useful gas energy device.
[0032]
Since the miniaturization of the part and concave S value can be attained since it compares with a device conventionally and enabled it to work with low pressure, and it can work with low pressure, it can be considered as the device which is equal to continuation generating, and has the extremely outstanding effect that a maintenance and others can be performed minor.
[Problem(s) to be Solved by the Invention]
However, the above-mentioned conventional water electrolysis gas plant was what must take the high gas pressure of the oxyhydrogen gas to generate, in order for the gas has an enrichment machine, a tank, and a double tub and emitted [ these double tubs ] besides a defoaming machine to pass smoothly. Therefore, the device was enlarged, and simple usage could not be done as a result, but there was a fault that it could not be used only at welding, others, and a comparatively large-sized place.
[0007]
This invention will provide the water electrolysis gas energy device which raised the use which can use a device as a small and simple thing in view of the fault on the above-mentioned conventional technology. That is, this invention will use [ which obtains fuel gas (mixture of hydrogen and oxygen) and replaces this with propane by electrolysis of an alkaline aqueous solution ] it as gas energy.
[Means for Solving the Problem]
In a water electrolysis gas energy device of a statement, this application claim book 1 comprises:
An electrolytic device which poured in a caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution of prescribed concentration as electrolytic water.
Two or more electrodes which are arranged in a predetermined gap at the electrolytic device, and have a gas port for gas passing in the upper part.
A spacer which is arranged inter-electrode [ these / two or more ], and forms a predetermined electrolysis field in each inter-electrode one.
An electric control circuit which impresses predetermined voltage current to said two or more electrodes.
A condensator which cools production gas drawn from the gas port 2 of two or more of said electrodes.
A defoaming machine which has arranged a ceramic catalyst which removes the shape of a bubble intermingled in production gas cooled inside.
A solution mixer which mixes gas from this defoaming machine to water and a predetermined bulking agent.

[Best Mode of Carrying Out the Invention]
[0009]
As an alkaline aqueous solution, a caustic-alkali-of-sodium solution is used for this invention as electrolytic water 10%, it electrolyzes this using 100V commercial power, and the oxygen water matter mixed gas emitted with a predetermined defoaming machine. By taking out only gas constituents and passing further the bulking agent which consists this of water and gasoline, it is generated under low pressure and the gas energy which replaces with fuel, such as usual propane, and can be equal to use is acquired.
[Brief Description of the Drawings]
[Drawing 1]Drawing 1 is the whole example device perspective view showing the example of a water electrolysis gas energy device,
[Drawing 2]As for the figure showing the outline of this electrolytic device 1, and drawing 2 (b), in drawing 2 (a), the top view and the elevational view, and drawing 2 (c) in which the shape structure of each electrode is shown are the electrolysis field **** sectional views formed by the electrode of said plurality, and the packing arranged in the meantime,
[Drawing 3]The schematic diagram of the electric control circuit of the water electrolysis gas energy device concerning drawing 3 this example,
[Drawing 4]Drawing 4 is a figure showing the outline of the conventional water electrolysis gas plant.
[Description of Notations]
1 ... Electrolytic device,
2 ... Condensator,
3 ... Safety valve,
4 ... Defoaming machine,
5 ... Chemical-feeding mouth,
6 ... Electrical connection gauge
7 ... Solution mixer,
8 ... Inlet
9 ... Gas valve
10 ... Ceramic catalyst,
11 ... Drain
12 ... Electrolysis solution water-refilling mouth
13 ... Gas exhaust
14 ... Liquid port,
15 ... Pipe
16 ... Gas range
20 ... Electrode plate,
21 ... Packing,
22 ... Loading slot,
23 ... Gas port
25 ... Electrolysis field,
30 ... Power supply,
32 ... Sensor apparatus
33 ... Pressure monitor means,
34 ... Temperature monitoring means,
35 ... Indicator,
36 ... Alarm equipment,
101 ... Electrolysis machine,
102 ... Condensator,
103 ... Defoaming machine,
104 ... Safety valve,
107 ... Enrichment machine,
108 ... Tank,
110 ... Burner,
111 ... Gas valve
112 ... Dry seal,
112 ... Dry seal with a check valve,
113 ... Control block
118 ... Branching interconnecting tube,

--UNQUOTE
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 22, 2008, 08:47:22 AM
Here goes the summery of the patents filed by the inventor, relating to the technology;

1.  2007 - 220320     HYDRAULIC PUMP DRIVING UNIT FOR HYDRAULIC WORKING MACHINE, DRIVING UNIT FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND POWER GENERATOR
2. 2007 - 157406    OIL HYDRAULIC PUMP DRIVE UNIT OF HYDRAULIC WORKING MACHINE, AND DRIVE UNIT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE
3. 2007 - 157405    POWER GENERATION MODULE, POWER GENERATOR, AND POWER GENERATION SYSTEM
4. 2006 - 244714    WATER ENERGY SYSTEM
5. 2005 - 281847    WATER ENERGY SYSTEM


Hope somebody will find the information useful.....
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 22, 2008, 08:57:22 AM
image with Translations

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: scraven on June 22, 2008, 09:04:31 AM
on stack life - this is where I think the overunity forums or any other reverse engineering effort will become critical in pushing down manufacturing prices by finding alternative embodiments that are viable for free market competition and maybe even home building/technology recycling(modding).

- for anyone having an over unity identity crisis right now, when a dream becomes redundant bigger and better dreams replace it (aaaww get yer hand off it, scraven!)     
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 22, 2008, 10:32:38 AM
Maybe someone can translate this ?

http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/system.jpg

(http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/system.jpg)

and

http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/systematic.jpg

(http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/systematic.jpg)

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 22, 2008, 11:12:54 AM
Ruthenium and Platinum are pretty expensive catalysators.

Instead  Platinum we could use Nano-Nickel particles,
but does anybody have a substitute for Ruthenium ?

How does Ruthenium work to split Oxygen into ions ?

Can somebody post the chemical reaction equatations ?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 22, 2008, 11:21:13 AM
Here is a company that sells these catalysators for other
Methanol Fuel Cells:

http://www.quintech.de/deutsch/produkte/forschung_entwicklung/Katalysatoren.php

They also have MEAs:

http://www.quintech.de/deutsch/produkte/forschung_entwicklung/MEAS.php

English page:


http://www.quintech.de/englisch/products/research/Catalysts.php
and

http://www.quintech.de/englisch/products/research/MEAS.php
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: nfeijo on June 22, 2008, 05:38:10 PM
                  Kavee,

                  Thanks a lot. Nice job.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: lefferdink on June 22, 2008, 08:16:28 PM
Madwizard:
I have not seen Stan's house meetings; could you please post them.

thanks
lefferdink
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Equalizer on June 23, 2008, 02:01:30 AM
Quote
How does Ruthenium work to split Oxygen into ions ?


A direct methanol fuel cell requires the addition of Ruthenium as a catalyst. It is used to promote the oxidation and redirection reactions.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 23, 2008, 09:38:41 AM
Cell assembly taken from the Patent and annotated accordingly.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 23, 2008, 11:08:23 AM
www.aquafairy.co.jp had announced a special type of fuel cell which uses disassociation of water with a special catalyst, back in 2005-2006. NTT DoComo (predominant mobile phone operator in Japan) signed up with Aquafairy in 2006 for producing a mobile charger with water powered micro fuel cell technology (news article http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=190400451 (http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=190400451)).

NTT DoComo partnership agreement http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/2007/001317.html (http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/2007/001317.html)

Apparently the end product was displayed in Wireless Japan 2006.
http://www.techdigest.tv/2006/07/docomo_aquafair.html (http://www.techdigest.tv/2006/07/docomo_aquafair.html)
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/tag/aquafairy/ (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/tag/aquafairy/)

aquafairy's device has striking similarities, thus wonder whether it is having something to do with genepax technology?

Related patent for Aquafairy system is JP2008-037683A (dated 21.02.2008)

(Bellow translation to the patent JP2008-037683A is provided by Japan Patent Office)
[Claims]
A hydrogen generating agent comprising:
A main reaction part containing particles of magnesium hydride.
A reaction fever generation part which is arranged at a supply side of water of the main reaction part, and generates reaction fever at a reaction with water.



 
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: malcolm on June 24, 2008, 09:54:17 PM
i guess there are several us patents using the same principle. us7316855 and us7267897.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 25, 2008, 03:50:38 AM
Two of the Japanese companies (genepax and aquafairy) is having working models and either already collaborated or in the process of negotiations with industry giants bringing this up to the market. This is the difference between other hoards of patents and these.

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: lefferdink on June 25, 2008, 05:46:54 AM
Food for thought:  "Do you think that the oil giants will interfere?"  This is voltile.  I think that the two companies are too small to pull if off.  You would have to have the Japnanese  Goverment behind Genpex in order to be successful.  I'm all for it and hope they will succeed.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 25, 2008, 05:59:07 AM
Our goal is not to sit and wait, but to do some home research and validate the claims if possible. Whether or not the companies under a threat or suppression, nobody will ever stop single you doing it on your own. This is the spirit of community driven research. We are trying to provide as much as information possible, for anybody to try and reverse engineer the claims (since they have working models) and cut-short our path to energy quest.

If the companies get Japanese government backing, then we all are blessed for eternity, but that is bonus-ultimo  ;).
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 25, 2008, 07:20:06 AM
Ruthnium and Platinum are already used in Methonol fuel cells, and it is not quite new. It doesn't uniquely describes the water splitting catalyst.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: malcolm on June 25, 2008, 06:45:57 PM
yeah,  that's the spirit kavee... :D  we really shouldn't just wait, sit and see these all past through before us. Well and good if they've one, but the race is still on and it can't stop people like us from tinkering on our own  ;)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: ThatJohn on June 26, 2008, 12:01:00 AM
My first time on this site.  I have been looking around the internet to see what the future looks like for alternative energy sources.  Must say that this water fueled car from the Genepax company gives me the most hope for water being the fuel of the future.  I wonder if they have the capital + to go into production.  Does anyone know much about Genepax?  How long has it been around?  Is it well funded?  Is there hope for the company?  Thanks! 

Aloha,
Thatjohn 
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 26, 2008, 04:19:22 AM
We all are newbies on the face of energy quest, for that matter. Genepax has clearly stated they are not a car manufacturing company, and looking into partnering with industry giants whom can utilize their invention. They are looking into licensing model (as far as news goes) so the company can work with multiple manufactures on same or different products without a conflict. They are not having plans for setting up a mass production facility for WES, as far as I can see. Research is not quite over, the gizmo is just a proof of concept toy, only generating 300W of power. Further research should be followed by an independent evaluation to the claim.


My first time on this site.  I have been looking around the internet to see what the future looks like for alternative energy sources.  Must say that this water fueled car from the Genepax company gives me the most hope for water being the fuel of the future.  I wonder if they have the capital + to go into production.  Does anyone know much about Genepax?  How long has it been around?  Is it well funded?  Is there hope for the company?  Thanks! 

Aloha,
Thatjohn 
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: zenarrow on June 26, 2008, 05:16:14 PM
Excellente!

Of course the car looks like a motorcycle with walls, but it is totally a "proof of concept". 

Hi z.monkey, you remind me of an inventive idea I had for the city.
Being a motorcycle courier for a number of years, as well as having a car and van at times, parking was the luxury of the motorcycle, to park sideways between two other cars.

The motorcycle with walls idea came to me about 5 years ago, and here it is for those inventive. A car which is like the accordian fold up idea, or the fold up chair idea. So it parks as a compact motorcycle, but unfolds to drive away with another passenger on either side of the driver. Just an idea someone might want to work on. I'm not in it for the money, just the fun of creative thinking, and getting seed ideas out there. Of course if I had money, I would develop these ideas myself, but Im far from being an eccentric millionaire, so will just have to settle for the first bit ;D
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: zenarrow on June 26, 2008, 05:48:31 PM
Ruthnium and Platinum are already used in Methonol fuel cells, and it is not quite new. It doesn't uniquely describes the water splitting catalyst.

The idea came to me after starting reading this thread, of two parts. Not necessarily their way of doing things, but a possible way of doing it.

Part 1 is a battery which runs on water.
Part 2 is the HHO Fuel Cell.

The idea I had flash into my mind (was of possible addition of powders as used in the HHO cells of some, like baking powder or some other cheap electrolyte additive).

The battery with plates in basic physics/chemistry is of two dissimilar metals with an electrolyte between creates a voltage.

The HHO cell would generate HHO from the voltage input.

That's as far as I got, I assumed it fed the petrol engine, and the alternator returned the charge to the original water battery?

If the system does not use the car alternator, then the next part needed is the to convert hydrogen back to electrickery ;) (catweazle ABC - BBC - TV show). Which of course would requre something else. The engine is already purpose built with an alternator for such purposes.

Ideally, in a house hold system, this would be developed to put in water, even sea water, to produce, electricity, gas and drinking water. Providing many parts as the requirements for modern living. =D And some salt for seasoning your food. ;)

Though it wouldnt go astray to have pure drinking water produced in the car, say in a cup in the drink holder?
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Albert Johnson on June 27, 2008, 04:11:44 PM
English site is online:

http://www.genepax.co.jp/en/
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: ResinRat2 on June 27, 2008, 06:09:15 PM
I read through their english site. It really doesn't explain the system. (at least, to my satisfaction)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: retrodynamic on June 27, 2008, 08:51:19 PM
For a cheap Electrolisys / Project Submission:
The Gearturbine, power by barr, with retrodynamic dextrogiro vs levogiro effect, at non parasitic looses system, and over-unit engine. details:

www.geocities.com/gearturbine
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 27, 2008, 10:16:30 PM
Genepax has now an english FAQ (frequently asked questions) online.
It says:


    * Can we invest in Genepax (including private investment)?

    * We are not seeking investors for our company nor do we have any plans to be listed. Our objective is to promote technological development of the WES; we are not operating for investment or speculative purposes.

    * We would like to make a joint development proposal. Can you provide more details about your company?

    * Thank you for your consideration. We will examine your proposal carefully. Please submit your application by filling out the form on the Contact page of our website.
      Please include your questions, company name, and contact person's name, and we will answer the questions as best as we can.

    * Do you plan to be listed?

    * We have no plans to be listed.

    * Is it possible to exchange information with Genepax?

    * Please contact us via our website only.


Media coverage

    * Can I obtain access to report about Genepax?

    * Members of the media can apply to obtain access via our contact person. We do not accept applications from individuals. PR Manager: Jun Onishi


WES-equipped electric vehicle

    * What is the WES-equipped electric vehicle?

      We equipped a commercially available electric vehicle with a WES to generate power to recharge the battery.

    * How many hours can the car be driven on one liter?

    * We have no data concerning continuous driving. We would need the cooperation of a car manufacturer to obtain official data.

    * We saw a news report that the car could travel for one hour on one liter of water. Is this true?

    * The data reported on the news is unofficial.

    * What is the power generation capacity and output?

    * The power supply equipment was produced in accordance with the base car. We are not publishing capacity and output information to avoid misunderstandings.


Water energy system (WES)

    * What is your consumption of water?

    * approximately 7 hours on 2 liters of water.

    * How much is WES?

    * At this point no prices are listed.

    * Could you send me a product brochure?

    * We have not produced a brochure, but you may download PDF documents from our website.

    * Is it possible to obtain more detailed information than the materials published on your website?

    * The information published on our website is all we are able to disclose.

    * Can I ask a technical question?

    * We do not accept telephone inquiries.
      Please make your inquiries via our website, and we will answer your questions as best as we can.

    * When do you plan to sell the WES? I would like to purchase a sample (individual customer).

    * We have no plan to sell the WES directly to general consumers. We are currently developing applications with partner companies and plan to commercialize them in the near future.

    * Can we act as a sales agent?

    * We have no plans to directly sell WES-equipped products. We are currently developing applications with partner companies and plan to commercialize them in the near future.

    * Can I see an actual system/car and take it for a test ride?

    * We arrange demonstrations and presentations of the system for the media and development-related partner companies that have made official applications only.


Technical matters

    * Could you explain your technology more clearly?

    * Please refer article in Nikkei (major business article network in Japan)
      NikkeiBP

    * Have you patented your technology?

    * Our technology is in patent pending phase.

    * How do you intend to develop this technology in the future?

    * We intend to develop smaller, stabler, and higher powered stacks for practical use.

    * Can tap water be used as the water supply?

    * Basically, any water can be used for power generation. We use pure water, however, to prevent rusting and clogging of mechanical parts.
      It is easy to produce pure water from tap water with water purifiers, such as reverse osmosis membranes.

    * How durable is the system?

    * The membranes are no less durable than those of hydrogen fuel cells. Although testing of the electrodes is not yet complete, it is likely that they are as durable as the membranes.
      For reference, the stacks of an installation-type hydrogen fuel cell system for domestic use are believed to be operable for approximately 40,000 hours.


Miscellaneous

    * Do you have any plans to sell the system overseas?

    * We are currently arranging the schedule for a press release event targeted mainly at the foreign press in Tokyo. The details will be announced on our website.

    * May I visit your office?

    * We only accept visits to our company by the media and development-related partner companies after they have made an official application.

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Here are 2 more pics, which show the concept:


Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: tulook on June 28, 2008, 04:37:51 AM
Leave it to the Japanese to thumb their noses at the NWO!

Yes, and also the Korean's with their (WO/2008/016238) ARTIFICIAL ATMOSPHERE DIFFERENCE INDUCTION TYPE WIND POWER GENERATOR (http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2008016238) and their 'Magnet-amplifying engine' (300hp drive engine) was developed, shocking the world, or the Chinese "5 KW Electricity Generator is better and closer to production than almost any other Over Unity Device published on the various Patent Offices or on the Internet

You know, this is a lot of the stuff they said didn't work, that we were wasting our time,
that some were threatend or allegedly killed to suppress. What Will the NWO do now?
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Albert Johnson on June 28, 2008, 03:44:54 PM
What Will the NWO do now?


As long as there are not enough people aware of such technologies (and I'm afraid there are still a lot of them and these people still believe everything what is shown on TV) the NWO just will go on with the suppression and the killings (on small scale with inventors and on big scale with whole countries):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0VX0JvpW5q0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ecLwVgvvTvU

And if China, Japan, Korea or no matter which country "dares" to solve the energy problem with extraordinary technology (= free energy)......oops! there goes another earthquake.
Sad but true...

The key is that the public must get informed!!!
But it's kind of hard to compete with the NWO mainstream media.
 
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Eden on June 28, 2008, 11:39:39 PM
. What Will the NWO do now?

sorry for being ignorant; but what is NWO?
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: lefferdink on June 29, 2008, 03:06:54 AM
New World Order I Believe
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: hartiberlin on June 29, 2008, 04:21:28 AM
Okay, goal must be to be able to build such a Genepax water converter,
which puts out 300 Watts contineously from water for
around 300 US$.
With cheaper catalysators this should be possible !

Then mass produce these converters and free the world from the grid.

Surely such a unit should work at least for 5 years contineously.

Their claimed 40.000 hours would indicate 4.5 years.

But you don?t need the power 24 hours per day, so it would last probably much longer...
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: TheOne on June 29, 2008, 06:01:06 AM
I find that on this site: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/genepax-water-powered-car-japan-debunking.php

Our simple patent search presented two patent applications which describe perhaps the WES technology, now publicly disclosed:
1) Publication number: 2006-244714
2) Publication number: 2007-157405

The company said that "Genepax's propriety technologies are packed in the MEA of the WES", and also said that the principle of "WES resembles that of the battery charger for mobile phones, developed by Aquafairy Corporation, which is now in cooperation with NTT DoCoMo for its development".
***************************************

For your reference, the English version of the above two publications, translated by JPO (Japanese Patent Office), are placed below.
To find the drawings of those publications, visit "Searching PAJ"
( http://www19.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PA1/cgi-bin/PA1INIT?1174882659046 ),
click "Number Search"(right upper), click the circle at the head of "Publication number" located just above the search window, put each publication number in the search window, and click "Search" button.

http://www4.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/PAJdetail.ipdl?N0000=60&N0120=01&N2001=2&N3001=2006-244714
1) Publication number: 2006-244714
WATER ENERGY SYSTEM
The water energy system 1 has a cell in which a fuel electrode 3 and an oxygen electrode 4 are faced with each other through a catalyst 2 same as a general fuel cell. The fuel electrode 3 is formed by carrying platinum on a sintered body of fine powder of zeolite, coral sand, and carbon black, the oxygen electrode 4 is formed by carrying ruthenium on the sintered body of fine powder of zeolite and carbon black. Electric power is generated under normal temperature by supplying pure water 5 to the fuel electrode 3 and air to the oxygen electrode 4.

http://www4.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/PAJdetail.ipdl?N0000=60&N0120=01&N2001=2&N3001=2007-157405
2) Publication number: 2007-157405
POWER GENERATION MODULE, POWER GENERATOR, AND POWER GENERATION SYSTEM
The power generation module 4 of a power generation system is formed by laminating gaskets 43, partition plates 44, and current collector plates 45 at both sides of an electrode assembly 42 as a center, between a pair of clamp plates 41. Pure water is supplied to an anode-side electrode plate 47 from a pure water supply groove provided on the surface of the partition plate through pure water supply holes 41c to 45c from outside of the clamp plate 41, and air taken in from an air intake formed at outer peripheral end surface of the separation plate is supplied to a cathode-side electrode 48 from an air supply groove provided on another surface thereof. A desired power generation capacity can be obtained by adding and connecting in series electrode joint bodies 42 and partition plates 44.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: TheOne on June 29, 2008, 06:51:16 AM
Ok I found some of the material needed to make this cell:

Black Carbon Powder - http://cgi.ebay.com/Carbon-Graphite-Powder-50LBS-Cast-Mold-Sintering-Epoxy_W0QQitemZ270248364340QQihZ017QQcategoryZ1267QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Zeolite Powder - http://cgi.ebay.com/Zeolite-Powder-5-Pounds-All-Natural-Odor-Control_W0QQitemZ270239218218QQihZ017QQcategoryZ43510QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Coral sand - http://www.aquariumproducts.com.au/coral_sand.php (your petshop should have it)

The platinum and ruthenium seam to cost a lot too, Its hard to see from the patent drawing how the cell is made.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: TheOne on June 29, 2008, 05:28:58 PM
www.platinummetalsreview.com

They have 2 products defined in one of there PDF

Platinum Zeolite Reforming Catalyst
CHEVRON RESEARCH CO. U.S. Patent 4,627,909
A Ptlzeolite catalyst is used during the second stage
of an improved low pressure hydrocarbon reforming
process in a dual recycle pressure-step reformer
which uses a bifunctional catalyst containing one or
more platinum group metals/Al ,0 ,in the first stage.
The catalyst is protected by a desulphurisation stage
in the process.

Ruthenium (Oxide) Powder Production
SHINCIJUTSU KAIHATSU
Japanese Publ. Appl. 611270,222
Ru oxide powder andlor Ru metal powder are produced
by reacting a Ru compound-preferably a
halide-with an alkali metal alkoxide, and hydrolysing
the resulting product. Using this method fine
powders of ipm diameter can be produced for hybrid
integrated circuits, without high energy grinding.

Ruthenium Hydrogenation Catalyst
RHONE-POULENC CHIMI European Appl. 192,587A
A catalyst consisting of a Ru compoundISi0, gives
good selectivity for the vapour phase hydrogenation
of acetic acid to produce ethanol andlor ethyl acetate.

Link: http://www.platinummetalsreview.com/pdf/pmr-v31-i3-155-160.pdf
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 30, 2008, 03:55:29 AM
The patents and its content in English is already published in the first page of this forum thread.



I find that on this site: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/genepax-water-powered-car-japan-debunking.php

Our simple patent search presented two patent applications which describe perhaps the WES technology, now publicly disclosed:

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: zenarrow on June 30, 2008, 04:17:40 AM
I read through their english site. It really doesn't explain the system. (at least, to my satisfaction)

I was talking to a friend on the phone and he pointed out a battery called a hydrogen fuel cell from the local electronics store. It just requires distilled water top ups. It's only small at 1.2V 850ma. But it looks very similar to the eploded view of this Japanese unit. Heres a link to the Jaycar catalogue online part.
http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZM9082&CATID=&keywords=fuel+cell&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID= (http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZM9082&CATID=&keywords=fuel+cell&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=)

The second part of this Japanese invention would have to be basically a HHO Fuel Cell design.
Like made by ZeroFossilFuel and others from OverEnergy.
Here's a link to a DYI cell of Zero's. He redesigned the one on the forum to be narrower, and higher and more insulated to prevent leakage that the output was much more HHO at 200W than previously at 300W.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3cOPDTl3ek&feature=PlayList&p=0B222D7CA755553E&index=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3cOPDTl3ek&feature=PlayList&p=0B222D7CA755553E&index=1)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: TheOne on June 30, 2008, 04:28:46 AM
The patents and its content in English is already published in the first page of this forum thread.

lol, sorry I did not see the first page, I started to follow this thread recently.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: TheOne on June 30, 2008, 04:33:21 AM
I was talking to a friend on the phone and he pointed out a battery called a hydrogen fuel cell from the local electronics store. It just requires distilled water top ups. It's only small at 1.2V 850ma. But it looks very similar to the eploded view of this Japanese unit. Heres a link to the Jaycar catalogue online part.
http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZM9082&CATID=&keywords=fuel+cell&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID= (http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZM9082&CATID=&keywords=fuel+cell&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=)

The second part of this Japanese invention would have to be basically a HHO Fuel Cell design.
Like made by ZeroFossilFuel and others from OverEnergy.
Here's a link to a DYI cell of Zero's. He redesigned the one on the forum to be narrower, and higher and more insulated to prevent leakage that the output was much more HHO at 200W than previously at 300W.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3cOPDTl3ek&feature=PlayList&p=0B222D7CA755553E&index=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3cOPDTl3ek&feature=PlayList&p=0B222D7CA755553E&index=1)


This is not the same technologies, what this thread is about is the conversion of water to H and return back in water. The input is the water.

What you are talking about, your input is  hydrogen & oxygen to make electricity, so you need to pay for the hydrogen and stock it in a tank. Small version use solar energy to convert the water in hydrogen, but for bigger cell you need a hydrogen tank.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 30, 2008, 04:37:31 AM
Jaycar system mentioned is a PEM Fuel Cell, which requires H2 and O2. This is from the Jaycar description;

"This unit is supplied with a syringe and hose to hydrate the cell properly. In order to operate the cell, a low pressure source of oxygen  and hydrogen is required.The cell will convert these gases at up to 60% efficiency and and continue to run as long as it's supplied with oxygen and hydrogen."

Water is only used to hydrate the Cell.

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: madwizard on June 30, 2008, 01:02:57 PM
Madwizard:
I have not seen Stan's house meetings; could you please post them.

thanks
lefferdink

I posted Stan Meyers houseMeetings here : http://site-city.net/stan_meyer/
I don't think they are on youtube because they (4 files) are 1180 MB large.. He he.. I just found them by accident downloading torrents.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on June 30, 2008, 01:42:54 PM
Thanks for the Stan's Videos
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: lefferdink on June 30, 2008, 08:42:00 PM
Thanks for the videos madwizard.  Due to the sizeI am having a time trying to download them but there must be a way to do it.  If anyone has a idea please let me know.  Very much appreciated. thanks.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: gunda on June 30, 2008, 11:51:56 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genepax
It is very clear from above and from First Principle of science it is not possible to have the Energy produced only from water alone. There must be another Chemical which is full of energy which is consumed other than water. It is good to be truthfull than take young minds into this type of incomplete information and take them for a long drive wasting valuable computer time and Energy which we should save. Gnana
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 01, 2008, 04:18:22 AM
If you apply quantum mechanics to water molecule, it can be proved that water is continuously associating and disassociating into its primary elements, H and O. On average, we see H2O out of this chaotic state, as water. In other words, you don't get fixed H-O-H sticks in water, in quantum world. H-O-H molecule is an average state we observe.

A catalyst is a substance which increase the rate of a chemical reaction but does not consume or participate in the reaction itself.

If we take Hydrogen Peroxide (since it is commonly found in households), it continuously decay into water and Oxygen according to following formula;

2 H2O2 → 2 H2O + O2

High school science shows that Manganese Dioxide speed up the process very much hence called a catalyst to the above reaction.


In the case of Water, it is not Fancy to think of a catalyst which could potentially disrupt the balance of quantum chaos state of water and lean towards its primary building blocks, Hydrogen and Oxygen. This is what is known as Catalytic Water Disassociation. It is already a known science to use TiO2 (Titanium Oxide) as the catalyst in the phenomena which is known as Photo Catalytic Water Disassociation. Here the energy required is absorbed by light, or more precisely photons.

In Catalytic Disassociation of Water, it is quite possible for the Japs to find a substance which acts as a good Catalyst in water disassociation and nothing defies science here.

I know where most of Taught Science guys comes from, "Thermo Dynamics". It is quite possible to absorb required energy from the ambient (heat for an example), just like light is absorbed in Photo Catalytic process.

As a side note, I could not avoid stating this here. When Sir Humphrey Davey and associate scholars found that a current carrying wire causes a compass to fluctuate and dis-orient, they were amazed, and could not find a theory explaining. His Assistant Michel Faraday observed this closely, and suggested as"Invisible energy field" emits by the wire, due to the current, which interacts with magnetic field of the Compass. He added, current carrying wire generates a magnetic force (invisible) which is same as the magnetic force found in the compass needle. He was discredited on the spot, by the Academia, stating the discussion of unknown forces is Philosophy and not Science. But after 100 years from that incident, we still don't see electromagnetism, but every school kid takes it for granted.



Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Bubba1 on July 01, 2008, 04:35:44 AM
In Catalytic Disassociation of Water, it is quite possible for the Japs to find a substance which acts as a good Catalyst in water disassociation and nothing defies science here.

I know where most of Taught Science guys comes from, "Thermo Dynamics". It is quite possible to absorb required energy from the ambient (heat for an example), just like light is absorbed in Photo Catalytic process.

Where is the required energy coming from?  That is the question.  That is what the Japanese inventors are being (understandably) tight-lipped about.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 01, 2008, 05:00:37 AM
Quite Understandable. They are looking into a prospective venture to earn money. So we cannot simply expect them to spit out details of their invention.
This is why we are trying to reverse engineer from the patents in the hard way  :)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 01, 2008, 05:29:21 AM
Food for Thought:

Sir Issac Newton's equations (velocity, gravity, force etc.) were the only thing NASA used to send humans to moon and bring them back in needle point accuracy on path calculation. 

But Einstein proved Newton's gravity is seriously flawed. And yes it is, according to the more modern quantum and string theories.

If we have to bend "Laws of Thermo Dynamics" or something else, even though it appears to answer majority of questions and build our societies for centuries, we should not be afraid of doing so.

Observation is the most important. If existing theories cannot prove an exotic observation, then finding theories which explains observations is the science. However, even an established theory is bent for catering later observations, original theory can remain for most common objectives which it proved to be successful throughout. Even though Einstein proved Newton's Laws of Gravity is seriously flawed, NASA didn't use Einstein's theory, but Newton's, which did the job perfectly. But it does not say Newton was right and Einstein was wrong.

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Eden on July 01, 2008, 06:02:15 PM
Food for Thought:

Sir Issac Newton's equations (velocity, gravity, force etc.) were the only thing NASA used to send humans to moon and bring them back in needle point accuracy on path calculation. 

(small detail between braquets
they never went to the moon!!!
humans can not go past the Van Allen's field).
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Eden on July 02, 2008, 12:33:58 AM
@kavee
watch this from the thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5037.0/topicseen.html#lastPost

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=funny+thing+moon&sitesearch=#

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 02, 2008, 03:58:09 AM
Firstly, whether moon landing is fake or not is not relevant to this thread.

Secondly, as a person who is deeply involved with Modern Physics (Relativity and Quantum Mechanics), I don't waste my time on conspiracy theories, rather have other many dozens of theories to exploit.   :)

Thirdly, and lastly, since moon landing was discussed, Leaner acceleration can indeed send a man to moon, with Newtonian physics, which is also in harmony with Special and General relativity. Even if Humans did not land there, machinery was sent both by Americans and Russians, thus is all I need to prove the fact in my earlier comment on Newtonian Gravitational theories.

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 02, 2008, 04:28:39 AM
Believe me, if we efficiently break water, it will surely take us to the moon an beyond.

(The phrase I used here is not necessarily referring to galactic travel, but to mention a new understanding and exploitation possibilities in many fields)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 02, 2008, 07:48:44 AM
These are aperently from a DVD available for purchase at http://www.waterfuelcell.org/ and you can see sample two clips right on top of the site.

Thanks...



I posted Stan Meyers houseMeetings here : http://site-city.net/stan_meyer/
I don't think they are on youtube because they (4 files) are 1180 MB large.. He he.. I just found them by accident downloading torrents.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 03, 2008, 11:27:47 AM
This is very closely matches with the patent drawings, at least from the outside.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 03, 2008, 12:07:22 PM
How on earth I miss this news posting here  :-\


Another company from Japan has produced a water powered vehicle

This is completely different to genepax in terms of technology. According to the company, a hydrogen tank is needed, and Hydrogen is injected into the piston and water is delivered once it is ignited. Hydrogen combustion is used merely to produce steam from water, and the piston's power stroke is essentially driven by water steam.

http://www.haw-system.jp/English/indexE.html (http://www.haw-system.jp/English/indexE.html)

Two videos in the site explains the technology.

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: johnandrews52 on July 15, 2008, 10:31:50 AM
Can we run our car with water and gas?   
Can anybody tell me is the HHO Gas is real working or is another scam?

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 15, 2008, 10:45:58 AM
at the time of this writing, you may not be able to run you car exclusively on water, since no technology is commercially available yet. But if you wish to extend your gas millage (amount of distance you can travel with a gallon of petrol), there are many systems out there, both commercially and do-it-yourself type.

If you are an average tetchy, assembling such system (often called hydrogen boosters, HHO cells, Water Fuel Cells etc.) is quite straightforward with relatively easily find materials. As a policy I don't point you in directions, but you can find the information on internet and even in overunity forum quite easily.

Water disassociation is already proven with great efficiencies, but still it has to be matured a little more to run an internal combustion engine at highway speeds. But stay up, it is happening and you will have the option of switching into a car which runs on water on its entirety in next few years.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 15, 2008, 12:17:48 PM
Sorry to disappoint you all, but we have evidence that the demonstrated car was not really running on the WES (the cell). The system was outputting only 300Ws of power (according to the internal communication) and connected to charge the batteries of the electric vehicle. So at the time of capturing Reuters video the vehicle is indeed running on batteries, which is not a proof of concept for the WES cell.

But their Cell seems to be producing electricity as they claimed. 300W with the displayed system. So any load under this rating can be run using the cell. In theory they could stack up more of such cells to drive the small car they have shown (electric motor is well over 3kW).

Independent verification of the cell is yet to be made, and the company is so strict on giving out information. Only thing is to wait and see some fellow researches reverse engineer the patent information and prove or disprove the claim.
Title: Re:Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: ronaldcollins on July 16, 2008, 07:48:44 AM
hi there, I use water to fuel a car as a supplement to gasoline. In fact, very little water is needed,only one quart of water provides over 1800 gallons of HHO gas which can literally last for months and significantly increase your car fuel efficiently, improve emissions quality, and save money. I found the way through this site http://www.runcarsonwater.us i really recommend it to everybody, it's a nice ebook where you can find the instructions on how to do it! take a look.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: unity2zero on July 19, 2008, 10:48:27 PM
Anything that's not proven are scam?  :)
Title: Re:Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: unity2zero on July 19, 2008, 11:06:45 PM
hi there, I use water to fuel a car as a supplement to gasoline. In fact, very little water is needed,only one quart of water provides over 1800 gallons of HHO gas which can literally last for months and significantly increase your car fuel efficiently, improve emissions quality, and save money. I found the way through this site http://www.runcarsonwater.us i really recommend it to everybody, it's a nice ebook where you can find the instructions on how to do it! take a look.


I am also an affiliate in marketing this ebook. If somebody buy through my link, I made some bucks. Not really interested on whether it works or not  :)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: 4Tesla on July 22, 2008, 03:37:36 AM
It would be impossible to drive directly off the 300 watt WES.. I believe the WES charges the batteries and then they drive the car.. I believe the motor would have to be around 45hp minimum (33k watts).

Jason
 
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genepax
==================================

Genepax demonstrated the car in the Japanese city of Osaka on 12 June 2008. Genepax Claims that one liter (2.1 pints) of any kind of water?rain, river or sea (even tea, stated the press release)?is all that is needed to run the engine for about an hour at a speed of 80 km/h (50 mph). However, their claims that a 300 watt (0.4 horsepower) engine could drive the car (the weight of which has not been specified) at this speed and for this duration despite wind resistance / Automobile drag coefficients and other energy-draining forces warrants further investigation.

The demonstration vehicle was a Takeoka Reva[7], a small electric car weighing between 740 and 960 kg whose manufacturer claims a range of 85 km running on its standard set of batteries, which take 8 hours to charge off the mains at 100 V on a 15 A circuit.

Should Genepax validate their claims, no infrastructure would be required to recharge the car's batteries, which is not the case for electric cars. The vehicle will supposedly continue to run for as long "as you have water to top up with from time to time." [8]. As the residual product of the engine is also water, this would in principle lead to the development of a perpetual motion engine, in which the exhaust product, water, could be fed directly back into the system as fuel.

============================================

The Wiki is a bit naive,
when they claim that the device powers directly the electric car motor.

Of course they will have some buffer batteries between the water generator and the electric motor.

But when the car is not driven, e.g. during work or during night time,
it has enough time to recharge the batteries in the car via its constant 300 Watts output.

This device is really the best device since long time, when it really does not use up any electrodes
material but only water...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: 4Tesla on July 22, 2008, 03:49:56 AM
You can use HHO to help increase your gas mileage, but you can't run an engine on pure HHO.. at least on a 4 cycle engine.. It may be possible to run a 2 cycle engine on HHO, but it is hard to find a 2 cycle that will run non-liquid fuel.  If anyone has been able to run a 2 cycle engine on HHO only, please let me know.  Also if anyone knows of a 2 cycle engine built to run on propane or natural gas, please let me know.

Jason

Can we run our car with water and gas?   
Can anybody tell me is the HHO Gas is real working or is another scam?


Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: mostrander on July 22, 2008, 05:53:47 PM
It is possable to run a 4 cycle engine on pure HHO.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: 4Tesla on July 22, 2008, 06:36:28 PM
It is possable to run a 4 cycle engine on pure HHO.

You have anymore info... a link?

Jason
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: 4Tesla on July 22, 2008, 11:56:02 PM
Now with this engine, HHO should work!  Instead of using pure hydrogen and having a hydrogen tank.. just use HHO.  That way the engine is working with just one fuel and not two... just water!

How on earth I miss this news posting here  :-\

Another company from Japan has produced a water powered vehicle

This is completely different to genepax in terms of technology. According to the company, a hydrogen tank is needed, and Hydrogen is injected into the piston and water is delivered once it is ignited. Hydrogen combustion is used merely to produce steam from water, and the piston's power stroke is essentially driven by water steam.

http://www.haw-system.jp/English/indexE.html (http://www.haw-system.jp/English/indexE.html)

Two videos in the site explains the technology.


Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on July 23, 2008, 04:07:24 AM
This is a possibility, but water delivery to the piston needs engine tweaking which demands much more skills and tools than building a home HHO Cell. If somebody has an engine to spare, and time, skills and a good machine shop with tools, this can be an interesting line of research.


Now with this engine, HHO should work!  Instead of using pure hydrogen and having a hydrogen tank.. just use HHO.  That way the engine is working with just one fuel and not two... just water!

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: medalmazterman on August 11, 2008, 05:12:10 AM
I don't know if anybody else has seen it but the Japanese also have what they call H4O. It is water that has been infused with extra hydrogen atoms. Don't have the link handy but you can google H4O and get it.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: sirmikey1 on August 13, 2008, 03:04:34 AM
People went crazy over this story.  I never realized it was an electric car, that the genepax device was just a battery charger. Now that the smoke has cleared, I'm still banking on some modified form of Steven Mark's solid state generator as the king of the jungle.  Oscillate this at 6000 hertz:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anYxNitcrm0 
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: sirmikey1 on August 13, 2008, 02:55:18 PM
FWD from my youtube correspondence:

> Ruthenium and Platinum catalysts.

Yes but arent they catalysts....meaning self replenishing!...end of the day....lets keep aside whats happening inside the FC...you give in water...electricity out...charges batt!...car runs!

Once they ramp up the tech to make 3 or 4 KW cells or higher and integrate with ultra capacitors, it could make the required energy on the fly...so its a feasible tech...which is consuming water as a fuel and no other replenishments.

I had spoken to the Jap guys some time ago and wanted to know if they had plans of launching these FC's in India...anyways they stopped corresponding after a while....but they did tell me that they were already working on a 3KW system.

R.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: kavee on August 14, 2008, 04:19:53 AM
The real issue is not with their technology, but the fact they are being so adamant on hiding things away, which already stressed out last bit of enthusiasm of the few those who believed it. If they can demonstrate their cell, even few volts at few amps just enough to run a light bulb in front of an international audience and let their technology tested by few international Independent testing agencies, all skepticism can be washed off.

Without giving out proper scientific evidence, they have chosen mass publicity by tricking people to think their water cell generated power to run that eclectic car. This is grossly wrong approach and their silence add to the suspicion.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: sirmikey1 on August 14, 2008, 05:24:45 AM

  Also putting in-wheel motors/generators (alternating) in the wheels
to charge batteries; and/or a very small gas engine strictly to charge
the battery (900 mile range).
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdRS7eVVZbU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB9RpSwpA6I&NR=1
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: titof50 on August 15, 2008, 08:47:47 AM
Hello...Hello...HHO is the demanding energy today, this energy is a must to have it, specially the gas industry is depending on the oil resource from the countries that have it, but some day it will be finish to extract from the earth of our globe, lets use a natural resources, HHO means the answer of the future resources. Lets make an acceptance of this energy. USA must accept the production of this type of car from Japan. Thank you.

Best Regards

Tito
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: sirmikey1 on August 15, 2008, 09:19:51 AM

1 kilowatt will power a house, and so Japan
needs to market this to homeowners also.

Cal
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: haithar on August 20, 2008, 12:43:11 AM
1 kilowatt will power a house, and so Japan
needs to market this to homeowners also.

Cal

A hair-dryer needs 1kilowatt, not a house.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: 4Tesla on August 20, 2008, 01:07:14 AM
10kw is typical.. and 4kw small or very green house.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: mscoffman on August 20, 2008, 02:27:53 AM

A house needs 25KW peak for only a brief period. Lets say 25KWH.
10KW peak supply is low. This is without an electric vehicle and without
heating considerations as that varies with climate and insulation.

But the average house needs only *1.5KW* continuous for
a total of about 1MWH per month. Look at your electric bill
if you don't believe this. Any unique continuous base load
would need to be added to this. (like a tropical aquarium or soming).

That means that 2 X GM-Volt-Car-Batteries = 32KWH could provide
the total peak storage required for an off grid house. A rational physical size.

So actually any device that can provide 1.5KW on a continuous basis
is enough to power your average home. Double that if your going to supply
an electric vehicle. Well within range IMHO of what people are discussing
around here.

If you don't have storage then you will need the whole 10->25KW and a very
fast energy slew rate. - Why make the design of things any harder then they
already are?

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: sirmikey1 on August 20, 2008, 03:34:13 AM
Coffman,
   Thanks for your input.  I never realized that the
power demands would vary to such extremes, that
one would need either hefty batteries/storage or
mammoth generator capacity. 
SMikey 
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: sirmikey1 on August 20, 2008, 11:31:14 AM
Coffman and all,

  Anyone looked at the efficiency of the new sound
wave refrigeration and heat appliances?  When applied
to an off grid house, replacing all major appliances with
this, what would be an educated guess on the average
and peak home power needed?

  I am also curious about efficiency on the new sound wave
water to hydrogen technology, versus electrolysis. Instantly
vaporizes water, or can also immediately convert water into
thermo explosive energy.  Similar to Stanley Meyers
last device, One of the most important inventions of the century.

Thanks,
SirMikey
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: helmut on August 20, 2008, 03:25:13 PM
A hair-dryer needs 1kilowatt, not a house.


On one Hand you are right. A hair dryer might consume 1800W/h as well.
But if you have a energy source,  that gifes you 1 KW/h, is enough to power a house.

24 hours per day multiplied with 1 KW for each hour summes up to 24KW for the Day
My electricity bill counts a daily consum of 8-12 KW.

With such a source you need a clever energy management.
Thats the Point.
Radio, TV and Computer as well as the Bell on the door require a small quantity only , that
can be supplied from a converter via one Battery.
Some of this devises work with 12 Volt .

Heat Energy can be stored in Stones and deloadet via a heat exchanger.

Other appliencys use water as medium to store heat energy.

Wheater it is the water for shower, or the central heater, there is no need to
use a high power supply like 24KW/h.
The loundry for example needs not a heater, but a hotwater supply.
The motor to drive the washdrum can be modified to work with 12 Volt.
Same with the dish washer.
The hair dryer can be supplyed from a converter just as the microwave oven.
But for the baking equipment in the kitchen,it might be more of use to
take propane and such gas to be powered.

helmut
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: zawwin on September 07, 2008, 11:56:19 AM
From:
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080616/153301/
( Jun 16, 2008 )

Genepax President Interviewed on 'Water Energy System'

by
Kouji Kariatsumari
( Nikkei Electronics )

Genepax's New Fuel Cell System

Kiyoshi Hirasawa, president of Genepax Co Ltd, unveiled part of the reaction mechanism of the company's new fuel cell system called "Water Energy System" in an interview with Nikkei Electronics.

The system, which is capable of generating power with water and air, was first presented June 12, 2008. As reported in our previous article, the system produces hydrogen through a chemical reaction between water and a metal (or a metal compound) on the fuel electrode side (See related article).

Genepax uses a metal or a metal compound that can cause an oxidation reaction with water at room temperature, the company said. Metals that react with water include lithium, sodium, magnesium, potassium and calcium. The main feature of the Water Energy System is that it can be operated for a longer period of time by controlling the reaction of the metal or the metal compound, the company said.

According to Genepax, the metal or the metal compound is supported by a porous body such as zeolite inside the fuel electrode of the membrane electrode assembly (MEA). The products of the hydrogen generation reaction dissolves in water, and the water containing them will be discharged with water inside the system. Upon the completion of the reaction, the generation of hydrogen and power stops.

Considering the commercialization of the system, Genepax is conducting evaluation tests and plans to release test data.

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: cyclopz on September 14, 2008, 07:56:27 AM
Toyota hired Pons and Fleischmann back in the 90's... I'm willing to bet that they're just shelving a ton of cold-fusion technology... You know one day Toyota will suddenly magically "discover" some breakthrough in water fuel that they've actually been sitting on for 20 years.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: sirmikey1 on September 23, 2008, 02:56:17 PM
You have anymore info... a link?
Jason

  The oldest water fuel videos on youtube and google prove it.  Look up Joe's cell
and "stage 3" hho production required to run an engine without petrol.
SM
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Reformator on September 25, 2008, 12:38:22 AM
Mass production, when?
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: sirmikey1 on September 25, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
Reform,
  They've still got problems with capacity.  The fuel cell
only generates 1kw and needs 3kw to be able to power
the car. 
sm
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: sirmikey1 on October 07, 2008, 04:58:55 AM



52KWH Battery Patent

barium titanate

http://www.rexresearch.com/weir/weir.htm
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: djeenius on October 15, 2008, 09:27:09 PM
Hello,

I suggested Sodium-Water Fuel reaction for powering cars under other topic (Water arc energy)
based on a discussion of a Mythbusters Forum
http://www.mythbustersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

This type of battery (sodium is reduced by electricity to metal and the back to ion by H2o)
are likely explanation for the Japanese Water fuel cells.

If the cells contain metal reacting with water energy can be created,
in one of the first translations possibly aluminium (with a miss spell)
was mentioned.
Thus the actual energy source could be reaction
Al + 3 H2O   ->  Al3+   +  3 OH-   + 1.5 H2
Are they using also hydrogen, which may be created?

This could actually work as battery if
Al could be regenerated by electricity
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: unity2zero on October 26, 2008, 07:04:23 PM
Sorry to disappoint you all, but we have evidence that the demonstrated car was not really running on the WES (the cell). The system was outputting only 300Ws of power (according to the internal communication) and connected to charge the batteries of the electric vehicle. So at the time of capturing Reuters video the vehicle is indeed running on batteries, which is not a proof of concept for the WES cell.

But their Cell seems to be producing electricity as they claimed. 300W with the displayed system. So any load under this rating can be run using the cell. In theory they could stack up more of such cells to drive the small car they have shown (electric motor is well over 3kW).

Independent verification of the cell is yet to be made, and the company is so strict on giving out information. Only thing is to wait and see some fellow researches reverse engineer the patent information and prove or disprove the claim.

From history, all "over unity" inventions or devices follows a similar path of event. One moment it drew a lot of excitement, and next moment it simply gone  :)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: magdin on October 29, 2008, 02:34:10 PM
It is a little tiresome with all those claimed "perpetuum"s, cars driven by water and so on
without description of what the core in the concepts are.  What exactly do they do and
what is exactly their inputs and outputs?  Already a steam engine could be called an
engine driven by water - as also a water mill. 

The only true water driven engine I know, very close to a PM2,  is the "Drinking Bird"
concept.  That machine fulfills working freely in an overall equal  environment temperature.
If not water was consumed, it would be a true PM2.  Although not working in too humid or cold conditions - the main reason why it is not used as universal energy source today? 
 8)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: magdin on October 29, 2008, 02:35:44 PM
It is a little tiresome with all those claimed "perpetuum"s, cars driven by water and so on
without description of what the core in the concepts are.  What exactly do they do and
what is exactly their inputs and outputs?  Already a steam engine could be called an
engine driven by water - as also a water mill. 

The only true water driven engine I know, very close to a PM2,  is the "Drinking Bird"
concept.  That machine fulfills working freely in an overall equal  environment temperature.
If not water was consumed, it would be a true PM2.  Although not working in too humid or cold conditions - the main reason why it is not used as universal energy source today? 
 8)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: raburgeson on March 22, 2010, 04:45:09 PM
I got a feeling that rare Earth materials are being used in the generator. This group has tried so many different ways to crack water that's about the only thing left to try.

http://www.rechinaonline.com/english/

You can get the skinny here. Might have to transmute metal to get it in volume though. I read somewhere about manipulating neutrons in a lab to make gold. I see no reason why these materials couldn't become available the same way. Of course they don't figure on letting us know exactly how that process works. They want to protect their manipulated prices on materials. Probably got the process working off what John Hutchison was doing. They keep track of him so they can make sure he doesn't figure it out. If Los Alamos has analyzed the materials that have mutated in his lab though you can be sure they know how to do it. Thought it would be nice to remove a stumbling block before it gets pulled out that time. The governments have been jerking us around. They are holding back the, we don't have enough for production explanation if someone figures it out. Stainless is not the answer that's for sure. How many cells haven't been replicated so far? They might need coated with the right element.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: mscoffman on March 22, 2010, 07:53:41 PM
It is a little tiresome with all those claimed "perpetuum"s, cars driven by water and so on
without description of what the core in the concepts are.  What exactly do they do and
what is exactly their inputs and outputs?  Already a steam engine could be called an
engine driven by water - as also a water mill. 

The only true water driven engine I know, very close to a PM2,  is the "Drinking Bird"
concept.  That machine fulfills working freely in an overall equal  environment temperature.
If not water was consumed, it would be a true PM2.  Although not working in too humid or cold conditions - the main reason why it is not used as universal energy source today? 
 8)

This is true, but is also becoming tedious to answer...CF cold fusion can supply
energy directly from deuterium hydrogen isotope atoms contained in natural
water...there is plenty of evidence that this actually occurs. So extra heat
energy is output and the input changes the water vapor slightly but in ways
that are re-equalized when exhaust water is vented back into to environment.
Natural deuterium could supply mankind's energy needs for millions of years.
The question is how to use it...In large fusion reactors like ITER or in
individual engines etc.

Actually evaporative water cooling is used as an energy adjunct in large
commercial air conditioning systems. It has a relatively low energy
density.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Cortex on October 15, 2010, 02:33:53 AM
The website has been taken down. :'(

Could there be any better prove of their system... ;)

Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Magluvin on October 15, 2010, 03:14:46 AM
I followed genepax a bit and I think they had something. They were shut down, is my opinion.
They claimed to be able to run as long as you had a bottle of water in the car.  The japs.  Sounds bad but they are good, very good =] i like them.  I thought about it and they were shut down, be it toyota or honda, they are in the mix also, Genepax was quieted very quickly.   How much does it cost to shut down?    Thats key.   Greed.

Me I dont care. I will spit it as long as this site is here, it will be posted. If I could get a job doing this stuff, I would do it in a heart beat. And I would work for the rest of my life on it with diligence. Till someone said, stop.
Then I would go underground.   lol.   tunnels to free energy.   We will fight for it one day.. We are now.
I get in binds here n there.  but I come back with a vengeance.  =0      =]

All of you, can you be bought?  10 grand?  10 mil?     Thats what will take us to poverty and slavery. And it will be as such unless WE release what we know. And you all know who I am talking to.  ;]    Spit it.   deliver.

Mags
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Magluvin on October 15, 2010, 03:31:42 AM
My Great Grand father had 2 electric motors connected at the shaft and all wires connected to a box with a switch.  Flip the switch and give the motors a spin by hand and off it went. My Grandfather told me of this many times, and this stuff was back in the 1910's.  Oil co's and Gov threatened him to not show any further and he dumped it.  Back then dudes.   We cannot let this go any further. We The People.   We can affect the whole world to OUR benefit, everyone.  Tell ,Share, DO.    Get a pat and it will be bought before it is changed and posted as working.  They never work.   Im surprised that all Teslas Pats have not been blocked,  Or changed.   Maybe THEY did not realize what T had in those pats, and now its too late.   =]

Wake Up!  sure you can possibly get paid for your ideas, they will get buried, and we will all pay for it later.

I am out for the truth. Thats real.

Mags
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: lefferdink on March 21, 2011, 07:05:45 PM
Has anyone tried to show this to President Obama?????
Regards,
Ray
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Sprocket on March 21, 2011, 08:15:31 PM
Has anyone tried to show this to President Obama?????
Regards,
Ray

Most people hoped that Obama was going to be a change for the better when he got elected, but history has proven otherwise - Patriot Act still there, massive buildup in Afghanistan etc.  And now this Libya thing.  The final 'nail in the coffin' for me was when I saw him on some youtube video in a Q&A session with a live audience where when asked by someone about free-energy, he sincerely replied that he knew nothing about any free-energy devices, and that he wished he did - implying despite over a hundred years of evidence to the contrary, they didn't even exist!  It was the mock-sincerity that really got to me, the guy could have made a good actor.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 10, 2012, 08:05:42 PM
Here is a process to get large amounts of H2 from water.I heard about it in 1991.So its not mine.Stick two iron electrodes in saltwater.You add the salt and dissolve it in the water.Not much is needed only 2 or 3 teaspoons of salt in 8 oz of water.Run a 12 volt current through the saltwater mixture thru the iron electrodes.You get H2 bubbles at both electrodes(one electrode is eaten up at about the rate of.9 lbs of metal per 10 gallon equivalent of gasoline).Table salt is your catalyst.Its called" liberation of large amounts of hydrogen through the formation of a metal hydroxide".It makes a powder(metal hydroxide) that has to be removed at some point from your water solution.triffid
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 10, 2012, 08:09:58 PM
Run that H2 through a PEM fuel cell and you should get electricity.triffid
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 14, 2012, 01:16:21 AM
Mags,I think you are right! they seem to be changing the story on the meyers water cell.I found a website that says he used chemalloy tubes, and .5 volts at 20,000hz.And not pulsed high voltage as I had heard for the last 15 or 20 years.20,000hz is the top freq of my audio signal generator.triffid
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 14, 2012, 01:26:31 AM
Mags,Back in 1979 I worked with a guy who said he had done the two motors trick as a boy in some home.After a certain time at night he was not allowed to plug his toy train into the wall outlet.He said he put together a two motor system.That allowed him to run his toy train.I really did not know If he was telling me the truth or not.But I have heard of it before.




Im also noticing new old stuff coming out on the web.Maybe its stuff that was always there?And Im just now noticing it?
triffid


I did notice the changes I mentioned in the meyer water cell( put out about 2005).
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 15, 2012, 12:36:17 PM
Here are instructions for building a fuel cell at home.  http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-A-Simple-Hydrogen-Fuel-Cell/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-A-Simple-Hydrogen-Fuel-Cell/) triffid


Its only 4% efficient.And uses water as an electrolyte.And  platinum coated nichrome wire.


http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html (http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html)  they sell pt coated wire at $14.31 a foot.In their "hot stuff" catagory.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 16, 2012, 01:33:53 AM
Here is a way to make hydrogen gas out of water and its new to me!A liquid metal alloy called"Galinstan" is allowed to soak onto the surface
of an aluminum electrode or object,dropped into plain water and bubbles off hydrogen until the metal is all used up.Thus opens up the way to use of fuel cells. http://nanohub.org/topics/SplittingWaterUsingAluminum (http://nanohub.org/topics/SplittingWaterUsingAluminum)  triffid
 This is the first place I heard about it. http://www.instructables.com/id/SODA-CAN-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/SODA-CAN-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR/)



a u-tube video on it  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhroR7oELwA&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhroR7oELwA&feature=channel)
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Paul-R on May 16, 2012, 03:28:53 PM
Here are instructions for building a fuel cell at home.  http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-A-Simple-Hydrogen-Fuel-Cell/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-A-Simple-Hydrogen-Fuel-Cell/) triffid


Its only 4% efficient.And uses water as an electrolyte.And  platinum coated nichrome wire.


http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html (http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html)  they sell pt coated wire at $14.31 a foot.In their "hot stuff" catagory.
These are not fuel cells.

The term "fuel cell" arrives from NASA's work on space craft where there is a requirement
to GENERATE ELECTRICITY from a source of compressed hydrogen gas.

i.e. completely the opposite.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 17, 2012, 12:33:26 AM
Well Paul-R,You are right that two wires in a glass of water is not a fuel cell,but it might show the principle?Did you already know about Galinstan?Its been around a while I guess?Yesterday was the first time I learned it could be used to make hydrogen on demand.That Galinstan could be used to make that pressurized hydrogen?triffid
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 18, 2012, 06:19:49 AM
test
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 18, 2012, 05:44:42 PM
I read somewhere that that 5 psi of hydrogen is fed into a real hydrogen fuel cell.
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: triffid on May 29, 2012, 04:52:07 AM
http://www.hometrainingtools.com/hydrocar-fuel-cell-car/p/KT-HYDRCAR/ (http://www.hometrainingtools.com/hydrocar-fuel-cell-car/p/KT-HYDRCAR/)   A fuel cell model car you can buy and put together.Just a model but a good beginning?triffid
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: Vinyasi on January 28, 2014, 05:59:54 AM
Ruthenium and Platinum are pretty expensive catalysators.

Instead  Platinum we could use Nano-Nickel particles,
but does anybody have a substitute for Ruthenium ?

How does Ruthenium work to split Oxygen into ions ?

Can somebody post the chemical reaction equatations ?

Many thanks.

Maybe ruthenium is a catalyst for the production of ammonia from the inert nitrogen in the air intake for this Genepax fuel cell powered car? If true, then this would make this a variant of Stanley Meyer's design.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process#Catalysts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process#Catalysts)

It's been reported that Stanley Meyers' Dune Buggy did not generate hydrogen from water and then strictly use that hydrogen to run his dune buggy. Nor did Stanley use any exotic technology to generate this hydrogen gas. He generated hydrogen in minute quantity using conventional electrolysis (nothing exotic - yet). Then he filtered the engine's air intake through a metal screen that was designed to do the opposite of a negative ion generator. The screen was positively charged to collect (as in, remove) all of the negative ions from the engine's intake air, thus depleting this air of all of its negative ions, thus rendering this intake air as a body of predominantly, positively charged particles. This air was entering from outside of this normal, dune buggy engine.

It's well known, among those who are skilled in this art, that ammonia has a greater potential for expansion then does oxygen. Yet, we go on putting air into our internal combustion engines expecting miracles!

The next step, was for Stanley's internal combustion engine to pass the small amount of hydrogen (which he was producing on the fly and under the hood as he was driving) past its own metal screen to strip it of negative ions just like the air intake was filtered of its negative ions.

Then, he mixed this (positively charged) filtered hydrogen with the (positively charged) filtered air. An immediate chemical reaction takes place in that the N2 -- the otherwise inert nitrogen gas composing two-thirds of the intake air -- reacts with the hydrogen to produce ammonia. [The exact chemical process escapes my memory, but you get the general idea, right?] Viola! We've just produced a superior fuel!

Now, this ammonia and oxygen combination is fed into a normal, unmodified, internal combustion engine (well, not terribly modified; it might need a few minor timing adjustments to burn this signature mixture of gasses; and there may be some corrosive characteristics that need to be protected against -- I don't know, I'm merely guessing on this point for safety's sake), and then this gaseous mixture is burned to drive the engine's cylinders.

So, yes, it is possible to run an ICE on water alone for hundreds of miles and include hydrogen as part of the process of making ammonia on the fly, but for the purpose of burning -- not the hydrogen, but the ammonia, instead......

Now, you can imagine why some feel that Stanley was murdered just before he was to begin full-scale production immediately after a party in which he was celebrating all of the support he was getting from Big Interests.....[Puff him up, and bring him down -- one of several standard procedures for removing the competition.]

Well, at least Stanley's demise can't stop independent tinkerer's from duplicating his development. We just can't expect to be allowed to mass market this bold concept lest we be stopped as well as Stanley. Ergo, this technology is for our own private use and maybe among a few of our pals, but nothing more popular than this.

Don't be fooled by Stanley not stating the above secret -- to his water fuel engine -- in any of his patents. Stanley's official silence on this subject is no excuse for us believing he didn't use this technique, for he flatly states in other non-patented documentation that it is nitrogen which is the key to his success, not hydrogen.

Hmmmm. To be more precise.....

The negative ions of both the hydrogen produced on board, as well as the intake air for Stanley's Dune Buggy ICE, were independently stripped of their negative charges rendering them positively charged particles.

I don't want to lend the wrong notion that it was the ions themselves which were being removed. Only their negative charge was being removed.

Consequently,
Positively charged hydrogen is merely the catalyst, while ammonia is the fuel.

Since the hydrogen cannot be recycled, it must be constantly generated on board. But the quantity needed is so small, that any hydrolysis production chamber could easily accommodate the needs of this setup without undue strain upon the electrical reserves of the battery supplying the energy for this electrolysis to take place. A single, normal, lead battery might suffice to power both the electrolysis and the two independent ion filtering screens (one for each: hydrogen output and air intake) -- I'm guessing. Nor could there be any undue inconvenience on the part of the tinkerer to come up with this arrangement under the hood.

If I'm not mistaken...
The hydrogen and oxygen produced by electrolysis are kept separate from each other.
The oxygen could be fed into the air intake before it and the air are passed through the positively charged ion screen, while the hydrogen is screened (charged to positive ionization) and then mixed with the positively charged air intake, before entering the combustion chambers inside the car's engine.

I'm not an automobile tinkerer. I'm just guessing.

OK, here are some references....

Sir Humphrey Davey, 1807: "....electrolytic hydrogen will combine with nitrogen in the presence of water, while ordinary hydrogen will not."

http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-13.html#post117538 (http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-13.html#post117538)

http://waterfuelsecrets.com/ (http://waterfuelsecrets.com/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia_production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia_production)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process)

A good question posed by someone...

"Do we really want lots of nitrous oxide being produced?  It is a major component of smog."

My response...

I wonder what amount of nitrous oxide could be produced if ICE's were converted over to ammonia as fuel versus the nitrous oxide already produced by dairy farms?

"The livestock sector (primarily cows, chickens, and pigs) produces 65% of human-related nitrous oxide."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide#Occurrence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide#Occurrence)

Hmmm. Seems to be not an issue?....

"....... uncatalysed ammonia oxidation (i.e. combustion or explosion) goes primarily to N2 and H2O."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide#Other_routes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide#Other_routes)

"Nitrous oxide is a colourless, non-toxic gas with a faint, sweet odour."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide#Properties_and_reactions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide#Properties_and_reactions)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia#Combustion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia#Combustion)

I think, in my ignorance, I left out something important to this concern....
Stanley recycled his exhaust, because he wanted the water vapor in the exhaust to support his reactions (see Sir Humphrey Davey's quote above). So, wouldn't this give a greater chance for nitric and nitrous oxide emissions to be reduced?
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: blavatsky on December 04, 2014, 12:09:00 AM
I contacted GENEPAX in 2008 to buy one of their units.

They told me they would only sell to the highest bidder... another sellout to the oil companies I guess.


www.aquatune.com is coming out with something that appears credible claiming a minimum increase of 25 % mileage.

cheers

Richard
Title: Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
Post by: tejthemaverick on October 08, 2015, 11:20:12 AM
I think they are using an aluminium air battery. Simple.