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Offline Paul-R

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2008, 03:52:51 PM »
YES DISTILLED IS THE WAY TO GO.. but even running in distilled youll still get brown gunk for 2 or three  running times, then after that itll be clear
Distilled water is worthless. There are few, if any, charged ions.These are necessary.

Caustic soda is nasty stuff to live with, but is effective. The SS needs to be good. Try
googling for ss suppliers, ask for offcuts of 316L or 317L. You may get them for free.
Best of all, get some switch plates and build a Smacks Booster.
Paul.

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Offline vdubdipr

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2008, 04:09:31 PM »
WHAT??? CHARGED IONS R U KIDDING ME? IF NOT THEN WHO? HAHAHA YOUR FUNNY HA
CAUSIC SODA IS BAKING SODA WHHHAAATTTTT OK YEEAAHHHH... AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 317 SS IF THERE IS THEN GOOD LUCK.  FREE???? WTF YEAH OK

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2008, 07:42:21 PM »
WHAT??? CHARGED IONS R U KIDDING ME? IF NOT THEN WHO? HAHAHA YOUR FUNNY HA
CAUSIC SODA IS BAKING SODA WHHHAAATTTTT OK YEEAAHHHH... AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 317 SS IF THERE IS THEN GOOD LUCK.  FREE???? WTF YEAH OK

I can hear the old apple music "You are an idiot" in my head right now. 

http://www.nationalspeciality.com/stainlesssteel317.php

And lots of places give away free metal in off cut form.

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2008, 07:42:21 PM »
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Offline Sprocket

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2008, 08:12:23 PM »
Well, continuing my kitchen-ware theme, I went and bought a few more SS spoons that come with a 25 year "lifetime warranty", on the presumption they should be of decent quality.  I also got distilled water.  As expected, very little current flows (30V @ 10mA) but on adding a little soda bicarbonate (not caustic soda - nasty stuff that!) things started to happen!  Below is the result with it running for an hour (15V @ 700mA) - still absolutely crystal-clear, apart from the hydrogen bubbles, and no scum-buildup whatsoever, so it must be the tap-water that was the culprit!!!   I'm intrigued as to what minerals are present in the water that could cause this - any chemists out there?  I wouldn't have thought it possible...

Anyway, now that's sorted, I can start start breadboarding some pulsing circuitry.  Fascinating stuff! :D

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/Sprocket_06/Photo-0112.jpg)

Offline HeairBear

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2008, 02:01:39 AM »
Excellent work! Thank you for sharing.

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2008, 05:29:46 AM »
ok so you come  at me for sayin what i did about 317, try finding that somewhere in a store, when dude is sayin distilled water is useless for a generator.come on are you serious? im heated, congrats, your newbie asz made a mistake, WHO WHOULD HAVE GUESSED. that was a bad idea kid, just remember people like you are try to get advice from people like me, so you can count on me not helping your ass

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2008, 03:56:19 PM »
Anyway, now that's sorted, I can start start breadboarding some pulsing circuitry.  Fascinating stuff! :D
You might wish to think along these lines:
http://stores.homestead.com/hydrogengarage/Detail.bok?no=10
The gap between the plates and the voltage drop across each pair are crucial.
Remember that the gas given off is VERY EXPLOSIVE, and burns at a VERY
fast rate. Measure the rate at which it comes off but do not attempt to burn it
with a match or candle if you are not ready to feed it into an engine. This group
is useful: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/
Paul.

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Offline Sprocket

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2008, 05:03:31 PM »
@vdubdipr - After running for about 7 hours, as you predicted, there is a faint ring of brown starting to form at the water-line - almost too trivial to mention, and the water & SS still look pristine :)

@Paul-R - Thanks, appreciate the link.  As I have most of the electronics already, I will try something home-brew to begin with.  Needless to say, I am a long, long way from a practical "booster", as my choice of materials would suggest.  I am more interested in seeing how pulsed DC effects  gas production to begin with - all baby-steps atm! :D

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2008, 12:26:03 PM »
@vdubdipr - After running for about 7 hours, as you predicted, there is a faint ring of brown starting to form at the water-line -
This scum is probably due to your using sodium bicarbonate. It wastes power and produces carbon monoxide, taking the elcetrolyte to sodium hydroxide. Better to start with NaOH.

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Offline HeairBear

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2008, 02:47:22 PM »
Carbon monoxide? Wastes power? Can you give a link or something to back that up?

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2008, 08:25:56 PM »
This scum is probably due to your using sodium bicarbonate. It wastes power and produces carbon monoxide, taking the elcetrolyte to sodium hydroxide. Better to start with NaOH.

The scum is identical in appearance to what already was being produced, only several orders of magnitude less!  Seeing as this was being produced before I ever tried baking soda (the soda just increased current, increasing HHO production and dissolved my SS quicker) I tend to believe that it is being leeched from the SS itself.

I'd still love to understad the physics behind the dissolving spoons - before discovering that the tap-water was the problem, I left the goo settle overnight, and found the majority of it turned a real God-forsaken, bowels-of-hell, pitch-black!!! :D   btw, my very first experiment involved using one of my perfectly respectable SS saucepans as part of one of the electrodes (triangular pieces in saucepan, not plastic bowl as in pic) with one electrically isolated (obviously).  After about 15min when it become obvious something was amiss, I switched to the plastic bowl.  To cut a long story short, I discovered my saucepan was leaking this morning - it has several tiny pin-holes in it! :)

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2008, 12:31:32 AM »
The particles of metal which travel from the cathode to the anode are in the form of ions. An atom of iron (for example), once acted upon electrically through an electrolyte, is broken away from the base metal and becomes an ion with a negative charge. It travels through the electrically conductive electrolyte and goes to the anode since it has an affinity (attraction) for the positive electrode. At that point the ion will lose its negative charge and either stick to the anode or drop to the bottom of the cell. If the particle is small and light enough, it may become part of the electrolyte solution.



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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2008, 08:46:49 AM »
Thanks, HeairBear... cool to know what is happening.

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Re: Real-Newbie HHO Questions...
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2008, 03:47:24 PM »
Carbon monoxide? Wastes power? Can you give a link or something to back that up?
Yes: Try this:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/
There has been extensive correspondence on electrolytes in general, and Bicarbonate
of Soda in particular. The carbonate group breaks down to give off CO usually, and this
chemical process absorbs energy better spent on the task in hand. There is a health
issue, obviously, but the main problem is that you end up with NaOH, but not at the right
concentration to give the amperage wanted.
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