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innovation_station

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verry intresting fuel cell ....
« on: June 04, 2008, 04:51:07 PM »
well i was playing with water soda stainless steel and a 9v batt and maybe just 1 more ingreadent  8)

it was verry kool i disconnected the power 12 hours later it is still produceing ..... ;D

neat!!!

ist


innovation_station

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2008, 08:36:36 PM »
UPDATE!!!

STILL GOING NO ELECTRICTY HHO YEA BABY!!

IST

shooting vid now ....

a wile ago i found a video on youtube that caught my intrest it was a verry impressive looking hho unit with out any aparrent engery input so.....well me being me i had to see what it was all about ....  and infact i beleave i have discovered a big secret in hydgron production if not no biggie it is new to ME!! ;D :D

altho it seams it needs to be "CHARGED" to activate it and set it into a self producing state of operation  8)

when i find the youtube video i will post it here


alan

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 11:18:25 AM »
a wile ago i found a video on youtube
Hey ist,
you want to show us this video?

Koen1

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 04:07:10 PM »
Or tell us what that extra ingredient was?

How much did you put in and how much gas did you get out?

innovation_station

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 05:20:33 PM »
sorry guys my video did not turn out well and it is  a verry small scale test

i dont want to tell what it is that i put in the mix

the reason being it can be dangerous!!!  the material  can hurt you so ....  probally posting this public is not a good choise

but

it is STILL RUNNING  production has not stoped  ;D

the test was 2 peices of small stainless steel in a coffee cup

take the steel out it will stop!!!  put it back in away you go  ;D

ist

innovation_station

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 05:27:13 PM »
Hey ist,
you want to show us this video?

sorry i have been looking for that vid the entire day

how ever i found many more that co inside with this style fuel cell i will post them as i collect the links

YES THIS WILL BE PUBLIC BUT ONLY AFTER I FIND THE PROPER WARNINGS AND PERCAUTIONS

THIS IS A NON TOXIC FUEL CELL BUT IT CAN BITE YOU

STAY TUNNED

ist

innovation_station

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2008, 06:28:30 PM »
YES!! i found the vids  ;D ;D ;D

answer this question how does this unit work ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2DY1gSiEmM&feature=related

i will be adding more links  :) 8)

i want to hear all of your best guesses how this works ...

yes i do know how this works  ;D

ist

another vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3SU9ax0_30
« Last Edit: June 05, 2008, 07:04:54 PM by innovation_station »

innovation_station

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 07:44:42 PM »
why is what we beleave to be water stored in a blue fuel can??????

and notice how he does not touch the liquid with his hands!!!!!  why???

ill tell you why cuz it will eat your skin!!!  and it aint the nicest thing

enjoy

ist

alan

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2008, 01:09:28 PM »
But where can we find the video you found yourself that inspired you?

secret ingredient, h2o2?

retroworm

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2008, 02:20:59 PM »
To me the reactor in the video seems to use aluminum scrap and most likely sodium hydroxide (the liquid in blue canister). Those two produce sodium aluminates and hydrogen gas (no oxygen). Comments of the vid reflect that as well. There's also another similar method of making hydrogen using aluminum-gallium alloys which consumes oxygen in water in similar manner, releasing hydrogen. I believe this one would be slightly easier to recycle than sodium based system.

Koen1

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2008, 03:21:37 PM »
So he's got water, soda, stainless steel, and x.

Soda can be sodium carbonate (Na2CO3), sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3),
or caustic soda (NaOH).
Only the latter is really nasty and something one does not want to touch.

Stainless steel and Aluminium in a sodium carbonate solution can be
used as hV diode.
Aluminium reacts quite heavily with caustic soda.

My guess:
- using aluminium and caustic soda, the aluminium will react and hydrogen gas
is formed.
- when placed in an electrolyte solution, Al should become negatively charged
in respect to Iron

So at the moment I am guessing he's just made a sort of galvanic battery
with one Iron (Fe) electrode and one Aluminium (Al) electrode,
and caustic soda solution as the active electrolyte.
If the electrodes are connected through a wire or otherwise discharged,
gas should form at the electrodes, with the chemical reaction between the
Al and the solution forming H2 and AlO, and the electrical charge on
the steel aids and causes O2 bubble to form...

Am I warm? :)

innovation_station

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2008, 03:32:32 PM »

i think you are cold it is hydgron peroxcide that he uses in the vid and ground stainless

go try it  i used 35 % peroxcide

and it is still PRODUCEING after 3 days.... ;D ;D

ever seen the hydgron peroxcide rocket pack thrustor that runs on 90 + % hydgron peroxcide it was flowen at expo 67 i beleave

yep same thing diffrent applcation  :P

ist

JUST TRY IT!!

a side note what do you think will happen if 90% was used ??

here is your answer instant pressureized hydgron gas in a tank  ;D 8) ;) now what can be done with this??


ramset

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2008, 03:40:10 PM »
Thanks 1st I will  any grade stainless?   Chet

Koen1

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2008, 04:04:11 PM »
ok so he uses H2O2?

Which is 2 OH- + 2e
Which is 2 H2O + O2...

Where do you see it forming H2?

In any case, assuming it does,
that could not even theoretically
produce more output energy than the
energy that was used to make the H2O2....
Could it?

So instead of using H2O2 to produce gas
to burn to produce energy,
would it not be more efficient to skip that step
and use the energy you were going to use to
make the H2O2 directly as power?

Sounds to me like something similar to the
entire hydrogen as fuel thing: it takes more
energy to produce the fuel and use it to produce
energy again than it does to use the energy directly...

Yes, a source of hydrogen.
No, not a grand overunity nor "free energy" development...

Or am I overlooking something?

retroworm

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Re: verry intresting fuel cell ....
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2008, 04:15:54 PM »
Yes, I'm not quite understanding how you are getting H2 by mixing H2O2 with steel scrap, either. In the video he clearly says he uses aluminum, and it's fairly common knowledge that aluminum, mixed with lye, releases hydrogen...Or are we not talking about that video anymore, I'm confused :).

Hydrogen peroxide decomposes into water and oxygen quite easily with metal catalysts, but I'm not sure where you get the hydrogen from.