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Author Topic: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?  (Read 11761 times)

greenhydro

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3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« on: June 04, 2008, 07:37:52 AM »
I found a site that says 2-3liters per min is no where near what the engine needs. Does anybody have any opinion on this? Heres the site http://www3.telus.net/chemelec/Projects/Hydrogen/Hydrogen-2.htm ???
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Creativity

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2008, 10:35:58 AM »
read my posts, i made calculations like 5 times already... 3L/min would be good for maybe a 100cc engine.Car engine runs hundreds of liters of air per minute...

PS:now i see somebody else also made an effort to calculate it and confirm
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hunter

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 05:57:03 PM »
You need a lot more HHO than 3L/min like "Creativity" said. also you need a lot bigger size generators than what for example you see on e-bay for sale (you have to run it from pulse and not from strait dc). Those size generators will not make more than 1-2L/min. in the best case, and they heat up like hell after an hour. You need to build a size or even larger than Meyer had, and pulse it to get some serious amount of HHO. I'm working on a little larger, but same design of generator as Meyer had.
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greenhydro

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2008, 10:44:23 PM »
So its true all of these generators and generator plans going around really wont do anything to the engine ??? I was close to building one but this just makes me give up hope
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greenhydro

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 11:05:43 PM »
Creativity how can i search for your posts I cant seam to find posts by users? how can i do this?
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Creativity

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 11:18:01 PM »
i send u a PM on how to get my posts. Well all this plans going around are worth something. In few words addition of H2 speeds up the fuel burning proces and gives possibilities to adjust and further fine tune ur engine so it will be more efficient.Untill some (for me still unknown) percentage of H2 in fuel,advantages of it can outweight the energy used to produce H2.The better the engine tuned to the newer conditions the more u will get back of it.Stay tuned to this forum.
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hunter

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 11:33:11 PM »
I don't say those size of generators are crap, but not big enough (10-20% fuel savings max). So what I'm saying is 1-2L/min HHO is stil better than nothing, so go ahead make one and try. But if you want some serious amount of gas, you have to build a much larger unit, and that one will not fit in the engine bay, you have to put it in the trunk or in the cabin, like I have in my Windstar and run it from pulse. Also you will need O2 extenders and a MAP sensor or a EFIE depend of your car. If you will run it from starit DC I suggest you to get a 30amp. PWM controller. That is all I think right at the moment, may be someone has other idea too.
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powercat

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 12:08:32 AM »
Hi hunter

Can you give us info on your PWM ?

All i can find is two http://www.pwmpower.com/ and http://www.vptechno.com/d14PWM.html


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hunter

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 01:02:29 AM »
I'm talking about the PWM DC motor speed controller 30 amp rated. If you run your generator from strait DC you need it to control your amp. But the pulse generator you are asking about, I will buy it from this guys. http://www.aquapulser.com/index.html  Looks more professional. I also would like to hear some test results regarding any of these pulse generators, if any one of you did try them, or using it.
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powercat

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2008, 01:20:29 AM »
Thanks  hunter for the link

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I also would like to hear some test results regarding any of these pulse generators, if any one of you did try them, or using it.

heres one by NerzhDishual  http://freenrg.info/Exp_With_DallasGB_Elect/
hes on the form  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4302.msg102382/topicseen.html#msg102382

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Sprocket

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2008, 07:31:04 PM »
Regarding this link - http://www.aquapulser.com/index.html - the videos show the setup running at about 13V @ 2.5A, so around 25-30 Watts.  My question, given that 2L/min is about the best I have seen done so far on Youtube, and if memory serves, with much higher power input, does anybody have this setup running and has measured the gas output, or could someone experienced 'guess-timate' what it might be? (the site states it hasn't made this measurment)
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hunter

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 07:43:13 PM »
Right now I'm collecting the materials to build a generator at least big like Meyer had. I'm planing to use that "aquapulser" device to run it. Like I said before, I think you need a much larger generator than what I see people use as a booster. Any idea?
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powercat

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2008, 08:15:57 PM »
Hi all

4 liters per minute cell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZ867Ca6aM
he has 35 vids (look at related videos)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG-USIf9nfA

2HP engine on HHO 5.5 liters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrkHFmjx0c  big amps

all the best
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hunter

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 09:42:33 PM »
What about this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMEFPgaNj9U&feature=related
Sounds too good to be real. hmm.
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powercat

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Re: 3L/min hydrogen not enough?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2008, 10:42:52 PM »
The youtube maze  ;D

Looks like hes running on a bottle in the vid,but clams water in the info box. hmmm
Iam not keen on bottles, thow making Hydrogen at home with solar panels then putting it in the car.
but safe storage is difficult to do

FIAT 500 running on hydrogen http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LHNojGZuo&feature=related (The fuel is injected sequentially using a custom designed electronic injection system, a gas injector and a plastic throttle body)   Allegedly

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