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Offline Alexioco

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Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« on: June 02, 2008, 10:31:37 PM »
Ok I have learnt that MT 27 is one of the most important wheels out of the entire machines,  IMO it is part of the prime mover not yet complete, just wait till you see what it does...

Footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWUV3Jrux4k

The weight basically rises itself through the use of leverage and string, the weight applies its weight to the top half of the wheel which causes the wheel to turn which makes the weight lift itself up and is guided to the axle by some string, as the weight is being guided, it keeps its weight on the lever which keeps the wheel turning until the weight is half way up the wheel.

Once the rest of the mechanism is attached to this wheel, we will have Besslers working wheel...
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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 12:20:37 AM »
Greetings Alex

 I watched your video. I will be writing you Tuesday with some diagrams to use for understanding weight points. I have to go back to work now that it has cooled off a bit. It's been hot in a tin shop.

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 05:20:31 PM »
Greetings Alex

 I watched your video. I will be writing you Tuesday with some diagrams to use for understanding weight points. I have to go back to work now that it has cooled off a bit. It's been hot in a tin shop.

I look forward to it :)

MT 27 IMO has to be part of the mechanism, I mean how many weights have you seen that can raise themselves?

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2008, 06:02:18 PM »
MT 27 IMO has to be part of the mechanism, I mean how many weights have you seen that can raise themselves?
I'm skeptical that any gravity wheel will work.  Of course I don't really know -- maybe Bessler had actually discovered the secret.  At any rate, MT 27 is interesting.  What if you placed three of them on the same axle, but with their "rest" positions offset 120 degrees from each other?

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2008, 06:16:34 PM »
I'm skeptical that any gravity wheel will work.  Of course I don't really know -- maybe Bessler had actually discovered the secret.  At any rate, MT 27 is interesting.  What if you placed three of them on the same axle, but with their "rest" positions offset 120 degrees from each other?

Well Bessler does say "this view shows what the thing might do if several things of this sort were placed next to each other along an axle/shaft"

I tried two weights, like in the MT picture, the wheel wont work on its own, but I certainly think that its part of the mechanism, the way in which the weight lifts is self is pure genius, I never would of though of it, yet it's so simple...

I think that MT 25 has something to do with it, MT 15 does and also MT 10, in fact a lot of the wheels have something about them which can only be detected if built or really really studied, I also noticed that something is hidden in MT 15 as Bessler announces, Would you like to join my forum too? I study in all of this over there and I have written all I have found there...

http://s11.invisionfree.com/Bessler_Quest/

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 03:09:39 AM »
@Alexioco,

Very impressive, from looking a the video, have you tried to use 2 of your wheels locked together on a common axle 180 degrees out from each other? From what I see this would continue to make it turn wouldn't you think?

also, I was thinking that you could replace the string with slotted bars to allow the movement of the weight and control the  movement as well. Do you think this would work?

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 04:52:00 AM »
Cool forum Alex - great info and nice color scheme.

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 05:02:27 AM »
Wow, that is probably the most impressive thing I've ever seen on this forum.  There is something about it that seems like a really good step in the right direction. 

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 06:24:24 AM »
Alex,

Before you get to carried away with this. do me a favor please!

Look at the drawing below, add another "E"  to the left of the one in the upper right quadrant. These two "E's" are supporting the weights, are they not?

Now draw two vertical lines from these two "E's" and note the difference in spacing between your vertical lines and your axis. Pretty much centered, don't you think?  By adding the weight of the lower "B"levers to any slight offset you have and I bet you it will turn backwards slightly, find its COG and keel!

Please prove me wrong!  God I would love it if you could do so. :o

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2008, 01:57:37 PM »
Well it took me time to adjust the wheel to do what it does but I am sure this is what Bessler is getting at...
oh and by the way, if I make the weight even heavier it does not move up on its own, but if I attach just a little weight at the top of the wheel, it lifts the big weight on that lever, this wheel I now believe is that 4 - 1 ratio...

If I were to add the 2 weights like in that picture Ralph then the weight by the rim will lift the weight at the bottom half way up...

What this wheel is getting at is that a weight can be lifted with a lighter weight so it doesn't matter if both weights are now the same weight, it will move more than a normal wheel any how

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 02:00:52 PM »
Cool forum Alex - great info and nice color scheme.

Thanks  ;)

Come and join in the search, my forum needs some help   :-\

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2008, 03:34:54 PM »
Hay Alex

 The e-mail is sent, and I see Ralph is giving you things to check. This is very good.

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2008, 04:54:38 PM »
Alex,

f I were to add the 2 weights like in that picture Ralph then the weight by the rim will lift the weight at the bottom half way up...

What this wheel is getting at is that a weight can be lifted with a lighter weight so it doesn't matter if both weights are now the same weight, it will move more than a normal wheel any how

My point!  Bessler wrote a lot of text with great forethought. He says a lot but but like an engineer explains little.  A few things he did make clear; First his machine would barely run with one cross-arm.  Second, if it does not turn with one unit, adding more is futile.

Your above description of "half way up" does not describe a device that will barely run. Half way means that ii is still finding a  keel point. Adding more units will not help as each set will have the same point of keel.

Adding weights to a "barely runner" makes for a better  runner, adding weights to a barely no-runner makes for a definite no-runner. 

Believe me, the Kelly/Lortie (Kellor)  design is capable of 290 degrees of positive torque rotation, with one weight, that is better than 75% of 360. Yet the remaining 70 degrees eludes us. Adding more units does not help, the machine still keels with one mechanism/weight  in the same relative position.

Good luck and I still hope you prove me wrong!

Ralph


 

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