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Offline Charlie_V

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2008, 05:43:04 AM »
When I was a kid, I wanted to buy a tiny plastic Christmas tree.  I didn't have the 20 dollars it took to buy it.  I was explaining this to my mother when a little old couple came up and gave us 20 dollars.  My mother hesitantly took the money, looked at me, then turned to thank them and they were gone (they were standing to my right as we sat at a table).  By their looks they were in their 80-90's.  80 year old people do not disappear in thin air.  The closest exit was about 30 feet away in front of me, even in my best physical endurance I could not sprint out that door in less than 2 seconds - and I'm 27!  We asked anyone else in the restaurant if they had seen an old couple... we were the only ones there besides the waitresses.

Conclusion, ghosts had just materialized and gave us 20 dollars....

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there might be magic in the air and ground, but you sure in hell are not gonna tap in to it with strings and levers.

Ghosts had just materialized and gave us 20 dollars.

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2008, 06:36:04 AM »
Sorry to butt in gents,

Don't be too hasty to dismiss multiple lever assemblies. The real issue is whether energy was gained by even a partial cycle. When the wheel is allowed to start at its highest energy state, it is translating a small amount of gravitational energy into rotational energy, and the assembly drops to its lowest energy state. If it requires at least as much energy to return it to its original state then the idea is a loser, and no energy was gained. If not, then multiple assemblies could cover ground for each other and a repetitive cycle could be formed. AKA what some believe Bessler found. Note: the descriptions of his wheels mention multiple noises per each cycle.

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2008, 07:46:13 AM »
Sorry to butt in gents,

Don't be too hasty to dismiss multiple lever assemblies. The real issue is whether energy was gained by even a partial cycle.

My head is asploding.  No energy is gained by a gravity wheel ever.  Never ever ever.  At no point during its little turn.  Not on the fall, and not on the rise, not on the acceleration, not on the deceleration.  Potential energy is traded for kinetic, plus frictional losses in form of heat, sound, what have you.  Then the kinetic is traded for potential.  That is all, end of story.  You are dropping weights, and you are lifting those same weights.  How can anyone think you can possibly get ahead?

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2008, 08:58:23 AM »
 If you do not believe there is any hope for a gravity powered wheel then I  suggest you do a little research on this gentlman.  Read his treaties to Sir Isaac Newton regarding his eye witness report on Bessler's wheel.

http://research.leidenuniv.nl/index.php3?c=54
http://www.historyofscience.nl/author.cfm?RecordId=3

['s Gravesande was a generalist who made few original contributions to science, yet he was perhaps the most famous scientist in Europe. In 1721 and 1722, he made visits to Kassel to examine a perpetual motion machine constructed by a certain Orffyreus (and concluded that apparently perpetual motion machines were possible). 's Gravesande declined invitations from Peter the Great of Russia (1724) and Frederick II of Prussia (1740) to join their academies.]
« Last Edit: June 06, 2008, 09:30:20 AM by rlortie »

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Offline martinzurix

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2008, 10:46:15 AM »
reality is .. no magic in air !!!

in nature only two forces .. explosive and implosive. wheel have only potencial energy.

i believe some kind of aparatus will work ..  but like someone say reason is not in wheel but outside of wheel.. wheel is only visible part like propeler on helicopter ...

besler show only wheel but hided primo mover main part of aparatus . in nature nothing moves without reason.   all planets all winds all fluids move
because there are impulse from big bang and all goes in direction of explosive and implosive vortexsies .  look on galaxsy look on planets around stars...   every were is central energy force and outer vacum - energy gradient.   if you want use gravity you need something like artificial black hole on opozite side of wheel !!

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Offline Alexioco

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2008, 02:09:05 PM »
I have seen so many people on this forum saying its not possible, why? because they are limited in their imagination, they cannot speculate out of their box (boxes shouldn't even govern you anyway) it takes a creative mind to sort the perpetual motion, so we need to draw, build and test, then learn the little qualities each wheel has.
MT 27 has a quality none of you none believers could have thought of because you deny it in the first place! Small things occupy small minds...

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2008, 02:16:15 PM »
Those who can not think outside the box, are in a world with 6 little walls and until they can look out they can not see the light.

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Offline utilitarian

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2008, 03:41:56 PM »
I have seen so many people on this forum saying its not possible, why? because they are limited in their imagination, they cannot speculate out of their box (boxes shouldn't even govern you anyway) it takes a creative mind to sort the perpetual motion, so we need to draw, build and test, then learn the little qualities each wheel has.
MT 27 has a quality none of you none believers could have thought of because you deny it in the first place! Small things occupy small minds...

This is a very common fallacy in logic.  You take a known positive thing - namely not giving up and being creative - and combine it with a futile act.  We as a society have in fact been living out of the box.  You are the one still in the box.  We have long ago decided that gravity wheels cannot work, due to some very basic laws that govern the universe, laws to which there are no exceptions.  So we rely on outside sources of energy to make wheels move.  But you are still limited to what is inside the box, trying to make the wheel move on its own.  It is not going to do that.

It's like putting two equal weights on a teeter-totter and expecting them to spontaneously rise and lower on their own, making the teeter-totter move on its own.  It is a dead end.

Look, what happened with Bessler happened too long ago.  We will never know exactly what went down.  However that wheel moved, there had to be an input of energy somehow, because that is how everything in the universe works.  Bessler lived in our universe, so he had to obey those laws too.  Ask yourself, what is more likely.  Bessler parted the red sea like a god, standing physics upside down in a manner never before and never after repeated, or some witnesses got their story wrong or missed a key detail in observing the test?

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« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2008, 04:12:56 PM »
This is a very common fallacy in logic.  You take a known positive thing - namely not giving up and being creative - and combine it with a futile act.  We as a society have in fact been living out of the box.  You are the one still in the box.  We have long ago decided that gravity wheels cannot work, due to some very basic laws that govern the universe, laws to which there are no exceptions.  So we rely on outside sources of energy to make wheels move.  But you are still limited to what is inside the box, trying to make the wheel move on its own.  It is not going to do that.

It's like putting two equal weights on a teeter-totter and expecting them to spontaneously rise and lower on their own, making the teeter-totter move on its own.  It is a dead end.

Look, what happened with Bessler happened too long ago.  We will never know exactly what went down.  However that wheel moved, there had to be an input of energy somehow, because that is how everything in the universe works.  Bessler lived in our universe, so he had to obey those laws too.  Ask yourself, what is more likely.  Bessler parted the red sea like a god, standing physics upside down in a manner never before and never after repeated, or some witnesses got their story wrong or missed a key detail in observing the test?

Well you tell me this then, How can one possibly rule out the universe just like that, scientists say we have evolved from apes which is absolutely rubbish, total nonsense, just look what parrots can do, they can mimic people, I don't see chimps doing that, also scientists say that we came from thin air, No, it took a power and very high intelligence to make us so I?m not going to trust scientist when they say perpetual motion is impossible either, yes some are clever and right what they say, but science cannot prove everything but a creative mind can take one step further just like Einstein said "imagination is more important than knowledge  ;)"

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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2008, 04:23:27 PM »
  However that wheel moved, there had to be an input of energy somehow, because that is how everything in the universe works. 

but how do you know ?

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2008, 04:38:03 PM »
Well you tell me this then, How can one possibly rule out the universe just like that, scientists say we have evolved from apes which is absolutely rubbish, total nonsense, just look what parrots can do, they can mimic people, I don't see chimps doing that, also scientists say that we came from thin air, No, it took a power and very high intelligence to make us so I?m not going to trust scientist when they say perpetual motion is impossible either, yes some are clever and right what they say, but science cannot prove everything but a creative mind can take one step further just like Einstein said "imagination is more important than knowledge  ;)"

Let me see if I have this straight.  You do not believe we evolved from apes.  Fine.  (Evolution scientists do not say this either.  We and the apes evolved from a common ancestor.)  But whatever, there are gaps in fossil records, so fine.  But you do believe that we evolved from parrots just because parrots can imitate the human voice?  Say what, Willis? 

Really, all you had to say is that you were an Intelligent Design proponent.  That explains everything.  Good luck with your Jesus wheel.

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2008, 04:58:11 PM »
this is how he knows...

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« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2008, 05:19:50 PM »
but how do you know ?

this is how he knows...


Oh right so he was told this was the case then and he didnt work it out for himself. From the way he was speaking I thought he had all the answers.  ;)

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Re: Self Rising Weight (MT 27)
« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2008, 05:22:40 PM »
but how do you know ?

How do I know?  Here is an analogy.

You watch a performer.  The performer shows you an empty cup and five dice in his hand.  He invites you to examine the cup, which looks empty, the dice, which look normal, and his hands, which are empty.

The performer puts 5 dice in the cup and shakes the cup vigorously for a long time, a whole minute.  He shakes to the left, he shakes to the right, he shakes it all around.  Then he smacks the cup face down on the table, lifts it up, and lo and behold, there are six dice there.

Now, what happened?  One of several things.  Maybe there was a secret compartment in the cup.  Maybe he dropped a die from his sleeve and slipped it into the cup.  Maybe the table had a secret compartment and spit out an extra die.  Who knows for sure?  One thing we do know is that a die did not spontaneously appear from the magic shake.

Oh, and this magic trick happened 400 years ago.  So all we have are written accounts from the people who examined the cup at the time.  We do not have the actual cup, table or magician.

Oh, and the magician got mad when people kept trying to find out the secret of the trick, so he burned all his records before his death.

Now, someone can spend their entire lifetime trying to imitate the magic cup shake, making sure you shake 3 to the left and 2 to the right and so forth, or you can just say it was a trick.

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« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2008, 06:05:12 PM »
How do I know?  Here is an analogy.
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Now, what happened?  One of several things.  Maybe there was a secret compartment in the cup.  Maybe he dropped a die from his sleeve and slipped it into the cup.  Maybe the table had a secret compartment and spit out an extra die.  Who knows for sure?  One thing we do know is that a die did not spontaneously appear from the magic shake.



Thats right "Who knows for sure" indeed. And your quite right about the One thing we do know is that a die did not spontaneously appear from the magic shake BUT if you would like to perform this trick then you would go out your way to find out the way it was done. I dont think this was a very good analogy to be honest.

the original question "how do you know?" was really intendend for this statement you made " because that is how everything in the universe works." what perhaps you should have said was " because that is our understanding at the current moment on how everything in the universe works."

 

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