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Author Topic: Lutec PR Executive Statement  (Read 8888 times)

ourbobby

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Lutec PR Executive Statement
« on: June 02, 2008, 01:15:04 AM »
Hi guys,
          check this out before you commit to the Lutec Flux density!

       http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lutec.htm

Regards

hartiberlin

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2008, 01:41:34 AM »
Ian Bryce had no real knowledge of the Lutec system,
when he measured it.

It was long ago already discussed over here.
He made several measurement errors and did not account in
the RF power bursts that are the main OU power of this system.

The Lutec wheel is more or less only a flywheel to keep the system spinning
and generate the power via the sparking commutator and charge this way up the
batteries, so there is not much mechanical power in this system
and only this was measured by Ian Bryce...
So he did only measure one small component of the output power,
but neglected the real big RF pulses...that make the system work....


Why don?t you visit Lutec and have yourself a look at it ?

ourbobby

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2008, 03:14:00 AM »


Why don?t you visit Lutec and have yourself a look at it ?

I have. I might be new to the discussions on this forum, but, that does not preclude me from noting the manner with which these guys respond to information requests.  Also, the link does supply valid concerns. IMHO, you have quite rightly expressed some support for the LUTEC system. I have my reservations.

I am mindful of all the claims made with "Large" overunity claims - not that I do not wish to believe them, indeed, I am still naive enough to think that some of the promises made are achievable. Claims contested  such as with the Perendev Motor:-
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Perendev/MagneticMotor/KeithAnderson_statement/index.html

Indeed, as a starting point, one of the whole issues with magnetic motor energy, IMHO, is related to demagnetisation due to constant repulsion.

I thankyou for your reply and regards to you

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2008, 03:22:45 AM »
Hi,
Keith Anderson never came forward with any pictures of proof,
that he really has tested any magnetic motor.

I also believe, that the Perendev motor video was a scam.

Perendev never showed the wholemotor from all sides
and the replications so far from all the people who tried
them failed..
That surely does not work, just magnets versus magnets.
You need a lot of iron between them as a buffer metal and shielding

Look at the Helmut Goebkes magnet motor concept,
or the Tomi magnet track with 90 degrees iron core pieces I presented on youtube.

www.youtube.com/user/overunitydotcom

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 04:04:54 AM »
.....Indeed, as a starting point, one of the whole issues with magnetic motor energy, IMHO, is related to demagnetisation due to constant repulsion.

I thankyou for your reply and regards to you


Is this not another of those "urban legends" - I recall reading ages ago on this forum that one well-respected member had been testing this conjecture for more than 6 months (at least twice that now, if he continued the testing) and had found no deterioration whatsoever in field strength.  Moreover, during my own meagre research (ages ago) I found that in order to permanently demagnetise a neo magnet, a magnetic field strength - called the 'intrinsic coercive field' (iHc) - must be reached.  This is far higher than the 'normal' coercive field (Hc) - the field strength needed to just nullify a magnets field strength.  Therefore, if similar sized magnets are used in a system, no degradation of field strength should occur - at least in my mind!  And until such time as I find a reliable source that suggests otherwise, I will continue to believe it is just more dis-information - "Mythbusters"  are obviously excluded! :D 

ourbobby

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 01:12:31 PM »
Hi guys,
            its not my intention to whip up a storm. The Lutec reference was purely to demonstrate caution at dealing with companies that start correspondence with "Dear Donkey", and then procede with further insults.

As for the Penderev Motor, I agree, that Anderson is asking us to take him on faith.

With regards to the loss of magnetic density, I am of the impression that it is common practice in some instances to "knock them down" from a higher strength to a lower strength using other magnets:-

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae472.cfm

This notion of demagnetisation through repulsion is an area that has recently become a focus of my attention. Albeit, in my pursuit of a source of, and I use the term loosely, "free energy". I have the distinct feeling that this might be one of the reasons why the "Magnetic Wankel" engine did not procede forward. IMHO, it had nothing to do with Tom Bearden's claim of tactics by the "Yakusa", it was a straight forward problem with motor maintenance. To find out if this is correct, a Magnetic Wankel engine of sufficient size would have to be built and tested.

Regards to you all.

jibbguy

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2008, 01:17:33 AM »
Reading that sceptic's article in the PDF, i don't blame Christie for calling the guy a donkey ;)

Here is the main problem with over-unity skeptics: They do not have any, not a shread, of proof one way or the other, yet they will run on the "certainty" that it is phoney. That is their "job" so to speak, and they go out of their way to use all the derogitory and emotionally-loaded words like "perpetual motion".... Taking about Dennis Lee or others in the same sentance, as if it is proven that Christie is one of them... Lol, even talking about poor widows and ophans losing their savings to charlitans. All without a lick of proof.  This shows exactly where their head is at. They will be bound and determined, one way or the other, to discredit the invention.... If not by science then by pysc-ops.

In fact, it is their only weapon when they don't have any evidence to disprove it scientifically... Talk about it with derision, laugh at the kooks, and hope people don't notice that they have absolutely nothing to base their opinion on.

Let them put up money for an independant University laboratory to do the study instead: And shut-up with the derogitory comments until the results are in ;) 

But there are no University studies being done on these devices (openly anyway, there's evidence that the military is doing them) .......

International investors and venture capitalists, people not known to throw away their money... will back it the devices with millions. But it is too "kooky" for the Universities to even consider studying them?

It seems the only ones in the mainstream wanting to invest time into this are the paid skeptics.... So they can try to debunk it. Who's paying them, i wonder?

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 02:46:27 AM »
 I really enjoyed the youtube video of this unique machine. If there are any types of schematics anywhere of the actual machine or availability of purchasing the machine like Christie said in the video for $5,000 dollars I'd BUILD IT MYSELF!
 
P.S. I'm building my hho driver board and on the high frequency side there was suppose to a 200 nF 16v capacitor in the cricuit. I placed a big order and receive my components from MOUSER in Dallas,Tx. But I'm missing the 200nF cap. Does anyone think I can place 2 100 nF capacitors in series and get same results as 200nF?
 Yes I know it's a far cry from saving the world... but just need a little push towards the correct direction on this one.
 i believe the magnet theory of propulsion and involsion reaction and inducing voltage building up in a capacitor bank would unltimately give off extra energy and I'd like to try it....... After I'm get the knack of my HHO cells.
see my vids on youtube under username mlexus74

utilitarian

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2008, 05:25:37 AM »
Reading that sceptic's article in the PDF, i don't blame Christie for calling the guy a donkey ;)

Here is the main problem with over-unity skeptics: They do not have any, not a shread, of proof one way or the other, yet they will run on the "certainty" that it is phoney. That is their "job" so to speak, and they go out of their way to use all the derogitory and emotionally-loaded words like "perpetual motion".... Taking about Dennis Lee or others in the same sentance, as if it is proven that Christie is one of them... Lol, even talking about poor widows and ophans losing their savings to charlitans. All without a lick of proof.  This shows exactly where their head is at. They will be bound and determined, one way or the other, to discredit the invention.... If not by science then by pysc-ops.

In fact, it is their only weapon when they don't have any evidence to disprove it scientifically... Talk about it with derision, laugh at the kooks, and hope people don't notice that they have absolutely nothing to base their opinion on.

Let them put up money for an independant University laboratory to do the study instead: And shut-up with the derogitory comments until the results are in ;) 

But there are no University studies being done on these devices (openly anyway, there's evidence that the military is doing them) .......

International investors and venture capitalists, people not known to throw away their money... will back it the devices with millions. But it is too "kooky" for the Universities to even consider studying them?

It seems the only ones in the mainstream wanting to invest time into this are the paid skeptics.... So they can try to debunk it. Who's paying them, i wonder?


Don't rag on the skeptics too hard - so far they are correct about overunity.  Not a single device has been shown to be such.  And it is not quite right to say that there is not a shred of evidence.  The evidence is the known body of scientific knowledge which can be applied to an  unknown device.  The skeptic may not know exactly how the said black-box device operates, but based on current scientific knowledge, the skeptic can say that the black box cannot continue to spit out more energy than came in.

For example, if someone claimed to have a free-standing machine that could continually eject two quarters for every quarter inserted, a person would not be out of line to be skeptical of the device.  There would be nothing wrong at all in pressing the proponent of the device for more detail or for a controlled demonstration, especially if the said proponent (like Lutec, here) continued to carry a website offering investment opportunity in said magic quarter multiplier.



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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2008, 12:45:12 PM »
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Does anyone think I can place 2 100 nF capacitors in series and get same results as 200nF?

They would go in parallel, not series.  (Resistors add in series, capacitors add in parallel.)

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2008, 05:51:03 AM »
They would go in parallel, not series.  (Resistors add in series, capacitors add in parallel.)
Thank you. I'm new here and really appreciate finding like minds and growing in a society of ingenuity.

christo4_99

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Re: Lutec PR Executive Statement
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2008, 01:04:10 AM »
to anyone who doesn't even believe that overunity or perpetual motion is possible or that water can be used as fuel i have a few places for you to look and what you might look for...#1 is the michigan institute of technology= discovered catalyst for oxygen/hydrogen production from cobalt/phosphate which basically brings standard electrolysis up to being 100% efficient...# 2 just what exactly do you think is keeping the electrons of atoms spinning around the nuclei= everywhere...#3 what exactly has any human being ever done to insure that the sun rises every day except pray and not push "the button"? do you not see the big glowing ball in the sky? do you know that it's enegy exceeds it fuel source(itself)? did you know that we mostly just waste all of it's energy just like the internal combustion engine is only 30% efficient...this world is run on old science and a fast buck and that's by the knowledgable people...there is money flying to a lot of places(mostly universities) and new discoveries are made often with both solar and hydrogen tech...some people are preparing for what's to come and trying to save the earth at the same time.