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Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: Alexioco on May 28, 2008, 05:25:36 PM
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Here we go again, I have come across something else you should all find interesting...
Lets go one step at a time...
MT: If the levers are reversed then we get this...
(http://i30.tinypic.com/1zba2o2.jpg)
Now when the weights are like this, you can make the weights fall into the centre near the bottom and fall out near the top which is good...
Now if we look at MT 11 its doubled and Bessler says there is more in it than meets the eye as you will see when he pulls back the curtain...
Well keeping MT 11 in mind, look at MT 13, the extra bit are lever used for going over the wheel at the top can be used in another way, if you more of those extra bit of levers, you get this...
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2d7h6ip.jpg)
Now go back to MT 11 and put the inner weights inside MT 13 and the inner weights when they fall back can lift the outer weights up, also if you reverse a few things in MT 13 then the weights can fall forward and lift the weights that way to...
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it finds equilibrium point and stops !!!
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it finds equilibrium point and stops !!!
Thanks genius.
Alexioco, could you explain/illustrate more what you mean by "also if you reverse a few things in MT 13 then the weights can fall forward and lift the weights that way to..."
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this system is closed loop .. there no energy flow.
energy used to lift up weight in cycle start position is equal to falling weight energy .
gravity is like water pressure in sea. it is force witch dark mater pulls from outer space !!!
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this system is closed loop .. there no energy flow.
energy used to lift up weight in cycle start position is equal to falling weight energy .
gravity is like water pressure in sea. it is force witch dark mater pulls from outer space !!!
I don't remember anyone asking your expertise sir. So please buzz off if you have nothing constructive to share.
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this don` t work !!! very constructive sentence.
this is public forum everyone has right to say opinion.
please don`t bee so angry :)
peace
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Thanks genius.
Alexioco, could you explain/illustrate more what you mean by "also if you reverse a few things in MT 13 then the weights can fall forward and lift the weights that way to..."
Well you see that in MT 13 the weights fall to the side when they acssend, well if you turn them upside down, when the inner weights fall the weights on the ascending side are lifted up and in instead of down and in...
Also if you look at MT 15 the levers are curved, why have the poles in MT 15 longer? so inner weights can be used for lifting the outer weights which lift the poles...
(I just realized that as I wrote it :P)
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Does anyone think this is a good idea?
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Sorry Alex, I don't quite see what is happening to really help in that drawing.
You have had some very interesting idea's in the past, some of which hold alot of promise, however, I think your wheels are too complicated to be what besseler built. Reason being; it is said that besseler wouldn't show inside his wheel before payment because, if anyone saw how simple and easy to build it was, he would be out of luck. Now it has been a few years since I read some of the history, but isn't it said that the only person to look inside commented that a school boy could build it?
To me that means simple, not complicated.
You have made great progress in the search for besseler's secret, but I personally think that the answer is a simpler design.
ciao, Dirt
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A "carpenter's apprentice" with say one year's training. Still, we get Bessler's point.
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Yes Bessler did say simple, It must be totally different from what we are looking at...
Has anyone read his Apologia Poetica? haven't, would like to though...
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Greetings Alex
On your combination. I see allot of counter leverage which will kill it and make it a non runner. Look at the outer arms and how close the inner weights are to try to move the outer. Then look at Newton leverage teachings and you will see. What you are trying to come up with is what you want as the finish effect but you need a better way to get there.
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A "carpenter's apprentice" with say one year's training. Still, we get Bessler's point.
Yes, right. Like I said, it's been a while since I read the info.
It is important to remember the fact that Besseler was so nervous with anyone seeing inside before payment, that he only let that 1 person look. the statement that it was a simple mechanism, I believe means just that. Besseler put his life on the line if his wheel was a hoax, and looking at many of these complicated wheels, I don't think he would take the chance. too many moving parts, too hard to prove what is happening. He had to be sure, that if someone bought the wheel, a quick look inside would be proof enough to let him live.
just my opinion.
Dirt
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Yes, which if thats the case then what that tells me is that only little parts of certain MT wheels are needed, the only problem though is, MT 27 can do something so special (look at my MT 27 thread) so that must of been added some how...
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Greetings Alex
On your combination. I see allot of counter leverage which will kill it and make it a non runner. Look at the outer arms and how close the inner weights are to try to move the outer. Then look at Newton leverage teachings and you will see. What you are trying to come up with is what you want as the finish effect but you need a better way to get there.
AB I have got it, here is a better way to move them so that the weights that lift are lighter but further from the axle of the heavier weight causing lift, what if the inner weights are attached on the outside inner circle and move the outer weights that way...
here are two ways to do it;
1. (http://i26.tinypic.com/s3itfb.jpg)
2. (http://i28.tinypic.com/2hnx7oi.jpg)
an attachment would need to be devised some how for No.2
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Alex I just sent you a PM, but now looking at what you are doing, I like it! Especially the top image.
Damian
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Alex, check your email too.
D
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Ill check it now :)
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Alex
The outer weights have a CF advantage against the inner weights. I have worked with this approach but not in the way you are approaching. A joint project with Alone and myself. (Don't laugh it is his real screen name) You are going to have to learn how to float a weight. But that is the secret I just can't tell. For it is my greatest achievement in this game and I hold the how for myself, but that doesn't mean that I won't use it in joint projects, with an understanding. I will tell you what I did with it in the test though. In my test piece it is a total of 6 lbs. I take my little finger and moving it around in all kinds of directions with weights moving in and out in excess of 14 inches in some of the movements. An armour student of mine who is also a school teacher that I trust, got to play with it and he said that it is breaking the laws of physics for I am getting more out than putting in he said. I said that I am not sure of that, but it is just the basic prototype of some of my other designs of control devices that I have been working on. Yes it is hard to keep a secret and I have probably said to much already, but again I haven't told you how it is done either. :-X
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Good luck, but now my quest ends here, I am leaving this now as I'm putting it before more important things which is not good, good luck to you all and thanks for your interest in my own work, thanks, ciao
Alex
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Alex, you have provided some great input and ideas. Thanks mate. Hope to see you back sometime.
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Hello all :D, I am back, i have made some interesting finds and now IMO I think I know a connection to two weights based on the toy page, this did not come through looking at the toy page, it just happend that I drew it down, two weights that make up a pendulum :)
Ill make a topic on it soon :)
p.s I wont be on as much as I used to be because of my piano study...